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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188496 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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But they do not call us United Statesians, do they? Some think that just because Mexico, Canada, etc. are part of the Americas, they too are Americans! Tain't so!!!
No we ain't and neither are you. You appropriated the name America and Americans for yourselves. I accept calling you "American" because it's so much easier than "United Statesians". Hey, you gave yourself that name, nobody forced you. But "America" , never, you are not "America", you are "North America", like Mexico and Canada and you remain "the "United States of America".

Show me one piece of official scripture, be it official documents, I.D.'s, passports, dollar bills, U.S. Treasury bonds, etc. etc. that have only "America" inscribed on them. I dare you. Moreover, show me, in the documents that make up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution where it says "America" all by its lonesome. I double dare you.
Learn to Read

United States

#188497 Apr 14, 2014
A pathetic angry bigot spouts hatred for years then gets a gun and shoots innocent people. As the cops haul him away he shouts "Heil Hitler". Seems like there should be a lesson in there somewhere ...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188498 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I like to remind her I had to go to Paris to pick her up. We were stationed near Frankfurt, Germany and she and another 15 y/o girl hopped a train to Paris. Well, they did not have much money and did not take their passports so it was not long before the gendarms picked them up.
We got a call from our provost marshal who had been called by ........ Interpol! The problem is generals do not like MP blotter reports so I sent my daughter to live with my sister in Dallas. When we went to Germany she was a Valley Girl fur sure, like gag me with a spoon and all but in Germany she went Gothic but by the time I picked her up after spending six months in Dallas, she had turned into a, oh my gawd, a Texas Cowgirl. Yep, she was a Wild One!
this story of your going to Paris to pick up your wayward daughter (at least, she had good taste, knew where to go) is getting old in the tooth, Rogue. This must be the 10th time you've retrieved it from your archives and foisted it on us, your captive audience.

Did she cross the border before the Schengen treaty treaty of 1990? If so, she couldn't have done it, you needed to show I.D. as a European then or a passport if non-European at the German-French border, especially if two teenaged girls were travelling alone.

P.S. Look up "Schengen treaty " as I'm sure you haven't a clue what I am talking about. I didn't, don't have to. Came into effect partly in 1985 and totally for some (not G.B.) in , I think, 1989.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188499 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, did he commit treason or is he a patriot. Maybe a little of both. I say let him stay in Russia for a few years and see if Obama will pardon him like Bill Clinton did for Marc Rich!
Or Ford for Nixon. Was North not pardoned? Was Libbey pardoned? Who else? Remember thge old maxim about glass houses, Rogue. They all do it, dangerous to pick 'em the way you do, gets blown up in your face.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188500 Apr 14, 2014
Grand Blather wrote:
You also can't make up the fact that both Rogue Moron and Miller were truckers. Birds of a feather and all. L O L
Of course everyone and their uncle knows Miller switched to a Republican after 1984, but in Rogue Moron's mind it's still 1964.
And your point? Driving long-haul truck is an honorable occupations. Just think if all the truck suddenly stopped running? All that Urban Libtard Cities would start to stave, they would fill up with garbage, then what?
Yes, I luv garbage men, plumbers, and all those people what work hard so others may live soft!!! Yep, you Libtards like to say you are for the little people when in fact to despise them. You are nothing more than a limousine liberal!!!
You think it is okay to take money from hard working Conservatives and give it to Libtards who refuse to work!!!

Jesse Watters Meets Food Stamp Surfer Dude From California
Greg Hengler


You Libtards think it is great the more people who are on food stamps while we Conservatives measure success by the numbers of people who no longer need food stamps.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188501 Apr 14, 2014
Oh, if this surfer dude stops doing his job, will anyone starve? If all the truckers parked their rigs, a lot of people will starve. Ever hear of Hunts Point Market, NYC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hunts_Point...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188502 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, did he commit treason or is he a patriot. Maybe a little of both. I say let him stay in Russia for a few years and see if Obama will pardon him like Bill Clinton did for Marc Rich!
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Or Ford for Nixon. Was North not pardoned? Was Libbey pardoned? Who else? Remember thge old maxim about glass houses, Rogue. They all do it, dangerous to pick 'em the way you do, gets blown up in your face.
No, Oliver North Libbey were NOT pardoned. But the Democrats in the Senate Pardoned Bill Clinton!!! Nixon was pardoned more for the good of the people than anything else.
Oh, what charges where against Nixon? Clinton?
Nixon and no prior knowledge or consent to the Water Gate break in but he did try and cover it up where as Bill Clinton did commit perjury in a federal court, perjury in a federal grand jury, conspire with Monica Lewinsky to obstruct justice, suborn a false affidavit from Monica, conspire with Monica to get a false affidavit from Linda Tripp, submitted two false affidavit to a federal court, etc.
Yep, Nixon, ONE felony and Bil, at least SIX felonies!!!
Now shut the f-up,,,,,, again!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188503 Apr 14, 2014
Oh, Bush did not give Scooter Libby any pardon. He commuted his sentence. Libby is still a convicted felon and still had to pay fines!!! But since when did facts get in the way of your opinions?
But what is really sad is that Deep Throat Jacqueau with flush this from his memory and repeat the same lies in a few weeks. And he wonders why I call people like him, Libtards???

From Wiki: Presidential commutation
Main article: Lewis Libby clemency controversy

Soon after the verdict, calls for Libby to be pardoned by President George W. Bush began to appear in some newspapers; some of them were posted online by the Libby Legal Defense Trust (LLDT).[109] U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a press release about the verdict, urging Bush to pledge not to pardon Libby, and other Democratic politicians followed his lead.

Surveying "the pardon battle" and citing both pro and con publications, The Washington Post online columnist Dan Froomkin concludes that many U.S. newspapers opposed a presidential pardon for Libby. Much of this commentary obscured the fact that the clemency power provided the President with several options short of a full, unconditional pardon. In an op-ed published in The Washington Post, former federal prosecutor and conservative activist William Otis argued the sentence was too stringent and that, instead of pardoning Libby, Bush should commute his sentence.

After the sentencing, Bush stated on camera that he would "not intervene until Libby's legal team has exhausted all of its avenues of appeal ... It wouldn't be appropriate for me to discuss the case until after the legal remedies have run its course." Ultimately, less than a month later, on July 2, 2007, Bush chose Otis's 'third option'— "neither prison nor pardon" — in commuting Libby's prison sentence.After Libby was denied bail during his appeal process on July 2, 2007, Bush commuted Libby's 30-month federal prison sentence, calling it "excessive", but he did not change the other parts of the sentence and their conditions. That presidential commutation left in place the felony conviction, the $250,000 fine, and the terms of probation.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188504 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, Bush did not give Scooter Libby any pardon. He commuted his sentence. Libby is still a convicted felon and still had to pay fines!!! But since when did facts get in the way of your opinions?
But what is really sad is that Deep Throat Jacqueau with flush this from his memory and repeat the same lies in a few weeks. And he wonders why I call people like him, Libtards???
From Wiki: Presidential commutation
Main article: Lewis Libby clemency controversy
Soon after the verdict, calls for Libby to be pardoned by President George W. Bush began to appear in some newspapers; some of them were posted online by the Libby Legal Defense Trust (LLDT).[109] U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a press release about the verdict, urging Bush to pledge not to pardon Libby, and other Democratic politicians followed his lead.
Surveying "the pardon battle" and citing both pro and con publications, The Washington Post online columnist Dan Froomkin concludes that many U.S. newspapers opposed a presidential pardon for Libby. Much of this commentary obscured the fact that the clemency power provided the President with several options short of a full, unconditional pardon. In an op-ed published in The Washington Post, former federal prosecutor and conservative activist William Otis argued the sentence was too stringent and that, instead of pardoning Libby, Bush should commute his sentence.
After the sentencing, Bush stated on camera that he would "not intervene until Libby's legal team has exhausted all of its avenues of appeal ... It wouldn't be appropriate for me to discuss the case until after the legal remedies have run its course." Ultimately, less than a month later, on July 2, 2007, Bush chose Otis's 'third option'— "neither prison nor pardon" — in commuting Libby's prison sentence.After Libby was denied bail during his appeal process on July 2, 2007, Bush commuted Libby's 30-month federal prison sentence, calling it "excessive", but he did not change the other parts of the sentence and their conditions. That presidential commutation left in place the felony conviction, the $250,000 fine, and the terms of probation.
You : "Oh, Bush did not give Scooter Libby any pardon. He commuted his sentence. Libby is still a convicted felon and still had to pay fines!!! But since when did facts get in the way of your opinions?
But what is really sad is that Deep Throat Jacqueau with flush this from his memory and repeat the same lies in a few weeks. And he wonders why I call people like him, Libtards???"

Loser. You can't read. I ASKED if Libby had been pardoned, not STATED, nor SAID. Oh, a presidential commute, right? Hmmm, sounds pretty much the same.

Rogue : Who paid the $250,000 fine, if at all paid? Was Libby a rich man?

Now remember, Rogue, a QUESTION is not a STATEMENT.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188505 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, did he commit treason or is he a patriot. Maybe a little of both. I say let him stay in Russia for a few years and see if Obama will pardon him like Bill Clinton did for Marc Rich!
<quoted text>
No, Oliver North Libbey were NOT pardoned. But the Democrats in the Senate Pardoned Bill Clinton!!! Nixon was pardoned more for the good of the people than anything else.
Oh, what charges where against Nixon? Clinton?
Nixon and no prior knowledge or consent to the Water Gate break in but he did try and cover it up where as Bill Clinton did commit perjury in a federal court, perjury in a federal grand jury, conspire with Monica Lewinsky to obstruct justice, suborn a false affidavit from Monica, conspire with Monica to get a false affidavit from Linda Tripp, submitted two false affidavit to a federal court, etc.
Yep, Nixon, ONE felony and Bil, at least SIX felonies!!!
Now shut the f-up,,,,,, again!!!
Loser. Clinton had nothing to be pardoned for, therefore, no pardon issued. Who pardoned him? President Clinton? I thought only presidents could pardon. Am I wrong? Tell me.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188506 Apr 14, 2014
Oh, almost for got, this is also for Deep Throat Jacqueau. Oliver North did not need a pardon from anyone as his sentence was VACATED.
But you will forget all about this in a few days and return to this forum to spout off you lies and distortions!!! I might have A.D.D. but Jacqueau has M.D.D.(Memory Deficit Disorder)

From Wiki: However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),[18] North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.[19]

Because North had been granted limited immunity for his Congressional testimony, the law prohibited a prosecutor from using that testimony as part of a criminal case against him. To prepare for the expected defense challenge that North's testimony had been used, the prosecution team had—before North's congressional testimony had been given—listed and isolated all of its evidence.[citation needed] Further, the individual members of the prosecution team had isolated themselves from news reports and discussion of North's testimony. While the defense could show no specific instance in which North's congressional testimony was used in his trial, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge had made an insufficient examination of the issue. Consequently, North's convictions were reversed. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188507 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, did he commit treason or is he a patriot. Maybe a little of both. I say let him stay in Russia for a few years and see if Obama will pardon him like Bill Clinton did for Marc Rich!
<quoted text>
No, Oliver North Libbey were NOT pardoned. But the Democrats in the Senate Pardoned Bill Clinton!!! Nixon was pardoned more for the good of the people than anything else.
Oh, what charges where against Nixon? Clinton?
Nixon and no prior knowledge or consent to the Water Gate break in but he did try and cover it up where as Bill Clinton did commit perjury in a federal court, perjury in a federal grand jury, conspire with Monica Lewinsky to obstruct justice, suborn a false affidavit from Monica, conspire with Monica to get a false affidavit from Linda Tripp, submitted two false affidavit to a federal court, etc.
Yep, Nixon, ONE felony and Bil, at least SIX felonies!!!
Now shut the f-up,,,,,, again!!!
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Loser. Clinton had nothing to be pardoned for, therefore, no pardon issued. Who pardoned him? President Clinton? I thought only presidents could pardon. Am I wrong? Tell me.
Can't figure it out, can you Libtard!!!!
Why did Bill Clinton sign a Consent Decree? Have you ever heard of someone signing a Consent Decree in lieu of a criminal indictment? I sure haven't.
They are common in CIVIL TORT LAW but I have never heard of it in CRIMINAL LAW!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188508 Apr 14, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Loser. Clinton had nothing to be pardoned for, therefore, no pardon issued. Who pardoned him? President Clinton? I thought only presidents could pardon. Am I wrong? Tell me.
Oh, and who set up the Consent Decree and when? AG Janet Reno just before Bill left office. If she had not, the next AG appointed by G.W. Bush could have indicted him!!!
I am sure Bush did not mind as I am sure he did not want to be the first president to criminally try a former president!!!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188509 Apr 14, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
"Chicago Police Department spokesman Adam Collins declined to comment on whether the weekend temperatures - Saturday reached 80 degrees, the city's warmest so far this year - contributed to the number of shootings, though criminologists have said weather does play a role in violent crime."
Tribune
Absolute nonsense. Maybe if we would have had a hurricane all the assholes would have stayed at home.

The only connection is that there may be more people outside. Are they trying to convince us that a few showers could have saved a life? Criminology...

I have people in the 21st century talking to me about full moons and how people go apeshit.

Or that there are more babies born on a full moon because of the tidal influence.

So far from the rational world. The pillow you put your head on at night has about a billion times the tidal pull on your brain than that of a full moon.
Justice Dale

United States

#188511 Apr 14, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Cities may seize homes for economic development, court rules
Associated Press | June 23, 2005
By Hope Yen
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled today that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses — even against their will — for private economic development.
It was a decision fraught with huge implications for a country with many areas, particularly the rapidly growing urban and suburban areas, facing countervailing pressures of development and property ownership rights.
The 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.
As a result, cities now have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes in order to generate tax revenue. Local officials, not federal judges, know best in deciding whether a development project will benefit the community, justices said.
"The city has carefully formulated an economic development that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including — but by no means limited to — new jobs and increased tax revenue,'' Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.
He was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.
At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use.''
Susette Kelo and several other homeowners in a working-class neighborhood in New London, Conn., filed suit after city officials announced plans to raze their homes for a riverfront hotel, health club and offices.
New London officials countered that the private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth that outweighed the homeowners' property rights, even if the area wasn't blighted.
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.
The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.
"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random,'' O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms.''
She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
LMAO!!! Dumbass we have been through this before, remember "compensation". If your land were not yours, then the government wouldn't owe you "compensation".
Justice Dale

United States

#188512 Apr 14, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Cows aren't land dumbass.
LMAO!!! I see you are having problems reading.
Justice Dale

United States

#188513 Apr 14, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
And who says a GED doesn't pay off?
LMAO!!! Don't be angry, keep trying!!!
Justice Dale

United States

#188514 Apr 14, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
Uncle Sam: "Excuse me there Dale... is that a soda in your hand?"
Dale: "Booyhowdy! Sure is, picked myself up a Pepsi back there at the Waa Waa."
Uncle Sam: "Hey... congratulations. I am going to need 8 cents."
Dale: "Uhh, for what?"
Uncle Sam: "Well, that soda."
Dale: "But, I bought this soda. I paid for it with my own money!"
Uncle Sam: "I can relate to your position, but I am still going to need 8 cents."
Dale: "What the hell are you talking about? What is mine is mine."
Uncle Sam: "Well, you say that.... but I am going to need 8 cents for you to continue to possess that Pepsi."
Dale: "You mean you are going to take it from me if I don't pay you 8 cents?"
Uncle Sam: "Indeed, think of it as a 'tax'."
Dale: "Well, umm... I didn't expect... you kinda caught me without funds... I had no idea that..."
Uncle Sam: "No worries, you can just leave that here with me until you go grab some money and we will square up when you get back."
Dale: "Oh, ok. Be right back."
Uncle Sam: "Ok, but...go fast... cause it is hot out and someone may pay the 8 cents before you get back."
Dale: "WHAT? Didn't I pay taxes when I bought the damn thing?"
Uncle Sam: "Shut up, Dale."
Dale: "Fine... brb."
LMAO!!! Your post is very lacking, keep trying for that GED. Remember, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188515 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And your point? Driving long-haul truck is an honorable occupations. Just think if all the truck suddenly stopped running? All that Urban Libtard Cities would start to stave, they would fill up with garbage, then what?
Yes, I luv garbage men, plumbers, and all those people what work hard so others may live soft!!! Yep, you Libtards like to say you are for the little people when in fact to despise them. You are nothing more than a limousine liberal!!!
You think it is okay to take money from hard working Conservatives and give it to Libtards who refuse to work!!!
Jesse Watters Meets Food Stamp Surfer Dude From California
Greg Hengler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kkXxBy4x6rsXX
You Libtards think it is great the more people who are on food stamps while we Conservatives measure success by the numbers of people who no longer need food stamps.
I hate this, but I agree with you. Nothing wrong with being a trucker or plumber or whatever. If it's honest, it's good. In French , we say "Y'a pas d'sot métier" .(trsl, very loose : There is no such thing as a bad job). As I've said before, those big rigs fascinate me and I've made it a point of conversing with truckers on 5 continents. All of them different, and many very interesting.

In Europe, even today, very few auto transmission in cars, but mostly auto transmission in trucks

In Europe, when school's out, and when possible, truckers travel with their families

In Africa, a whole different sort of rules. Drivers have to be VERY resourceful. And if driver's not mechanically inclined, forget it. Yes, too long to explain, but believe me, different.

In South America, they drive their rigs like hot rods. They also bring their families with them when they can. When I was there, no auto transmissions. May have changed.

In Canada and the U.S., auto transmissions are more and more the norm in trucks, though a few years back, and the exact opposite of Europe, most cars had auto transmissions, most trucks no.

Asia : Saw plenty of truck traffic, but not knowledgeable on it.

What's the situation in North America now, Rogue?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188516 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, almost for got, this is also for Deep Throat Jacqueau. Oliver North did not need a pardon from anyone as his sentence was VACATED.
But you will forget all about this in a few days and return to this forum to spout off you lies and distortions!!! I might have A.D.D. but Jacqueau has M.D.D.(Memory Deficit Disorder)
From Wiki: However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),[18] North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.[19]
Because North had been granted limited immunity for his Congressional testimony, the law prohibited a prosecutor from using that testimony as part of a criminal case against him. To prepare for the expected defense challenge that North's testimony had been used, the prosecution team had—before North's congressional testimony had been given—listed and isolated all of its evidence.[citation needed] Further, the individual members of the prosecution team had isolated themselves from news reports and discussion of North's testimony. While the defense could show no specific instance in which North's congressional testimony was used in his trial, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge had made an insufficient examination of the issue. Consequently, North's convictions were reversed. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991.
So, limited testimony (under guise of official secrets act),he was coddled. Okay. Not pardoned. Didn't have to be.

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