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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#184438 Jan 20, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Martin Luther King was, still is, a giant of a man. What he did for racial equality is unprecedented, his example followed all over the world, notably in South Africa. Yet, all you have to say about him today, on HIS day, is that streets named after him are run-down, derelict etc. You are of course, as usual, wearing your racist blinders, not knowing, supposedly, that his name was given to streets often located in black ghettos where the inhabitants are not exactly "The Hamptons" high society. You seem to ignore that King did not represent the rich elite, the 1% that you worship, though you'll never be one of them. And as long as there are people like you, Martin Luther King streets will endure in their run-down and derelict states, as you prefer to spend $700 billion a year on useless armaments instead of improving schools, public housing, education in general, social programmes and promoting reasonably-priced university tuition.
Too bad Martin Luther King wasn't his legal name. He did say some wise things sometimes not first said by others. He actually started more riots after he was shot. He was a Marxist, rabble-rouser and all-around cheater but you won't learn that in the public schools anymore. Like Kenyan-born Obama, and Hitler's nephew Mandela, MLK was a Prince Hall Mason.
We celebrated MLK's death today with fried chicken and fruit punch soda.
Learn to Read

United States

#184439 Jan 21, 2014
Please please please please let him run. It will keep me laughing for months

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trump...

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#184440 Jan 21, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad Martin Luther King wasn't his legal name. He did say some wise things sometimes not first said by others. He actually started more riots after he was shot. He was a Marxist, rabble-rouser and all-around cheater but you won't learn that in the public schools anymore. Like Kenyan-born Obama, and Hitler's nephew Mandela, MLK was a Prince Hall Mason.
We celebrated MLK's death today with fried chicken and fruit punch soda.
You are a pathic excuse of a human being get the mental help you need.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184441 Jan 21, 2014
Jacques,
Call me an eternal optimist if you must, but I think the Geneva II peace conference starting tomorrow and headed by a resolute John Kerry will morph into combating foreign Islamic jihadists in Syria rather than removing Assad from power as its primary focus.
Like I say, call me an optimist if you must.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184442 Jan 21, 2014
Jacques,
I'm just sayin' that the world needs to stop playing checkers with Islamic fundamentalism.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184443 Jan 21, 2014
Re: "LMAO!!! Now how was he under the complete jurisdiction of the Constitution, since he was a citizen of his father's country. That just don't happen, not even in "The Wizard of Oz".

Everyone in the USA, including dual citizens, visitors and illegal residents, is subject to the complete jurisdiction of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.

You cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And it does not say that two US citizen parents are required to be president. Nor does it say that a dual citizen at the time of birth cannot be president (and in fact both Woodrow Wilson and Dwight D. Eisenhower were dual citizens at their births). There is not a word in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or that US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.

Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.

Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.

And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why?

Why? Why, when there isn't a word in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not eligible to become president? Why? What is slimy Dale's motive? Why, violate strict construction AND libertarian principles? Why does he do it? Why throw away such principles based solely on hatred of Obama?

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." And there is nothing in either the Constitution or in ANY of the writings of the men who were in the Constitutional Convention, or such other American leaders at the time as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. There NOTHING in any of their writings that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. Nothing. But slimy Dale would like to throw out that principle too.

IF the writers of the Constitution had been afraid of the US-born children of foreigners, they would have said so, but they never said so, so why assume that they were afraid? Why does slimy Dale want to throw out strict construction judicial interpretation AND libertarian principles, and ALSO throw out "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Who says that the US-born children of foreigners are not created equal with the US born children of US citizens in terms of being eligible to be president? Only slimy Dale. Why Slimy Dale. Why?

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#184444 Jan 21, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
Please please please please let him run. It will keep me laughing for months
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trump...
TRUMP, like Alan Keyes, Sheriff Arpaio and Pat Boone KNOWS this usurper was born in Kenya.
01-21-2014 A.D. The Birther Evidence: Obama ID Fraud Trumps All Of The Other Obama Scandals. It’s just to unbelievable to be true, right? seeBirtherReportDOTcom!
When asked about The Antichrist Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” Which in Hebrew is ”ra'ah satan naphal 'aher baraq o bamah”. I can’t help it somebody has to be The Antichrist and it just happens to be Kenyan-born Obama. ANY QUESTIONS take them up with Jesus!
Learn to Read

United States

#184446 Jan 21, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>TRUMP, like Alan Keyes, Sheriff Arpaio and Pat Boone KNOWS this usurper was born in Kenya.
01-21-2014 A.D. The Birther Evidence: Obama ID Fraud Trumps All Of The Other Obama Scandals. ItÂ’s just to unbelievable to be true, right? seeBirtherReportDOTcom!
When asked about The Antichrist Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” Which in Hebrew is ”ra'ah satan naphal 'aher baraq o bamah”. I can’t help it somebody has to be The Antichrist and it just happens to be Kenyan-born Obama. ANY QUESTIONS take them up with Jesus!
Trump thinks that people believe that is his hair. Trump is as ignorant and pathetic as you are.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184447 Jan 21, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>TRUMP, like Alan Keyes, Sheriff Arpaio and Pat Boone KNOWS this usurper was born in Kenya.
01-21-2014 A.D. The Birther Evidence: Obama ID Fraud Trumps All Of The Other Obama Scandals. It’s just to unbelievable to be true, right? seeBirtherReportDOTcom!
When asked about The Antichrist Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” Which in Hebrew is ”ra'ah satan naphal 'aher baraq o bamah”. I can’t help it somebody has to be The Antichrist and it just happens to be Kenyan-born Obama. ANY QUESTIONS take them up with Jesus!
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184448 Jan 21, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Trump thinks that people believe that is his hair. Trump is as ignorant and pathetic as you are.
Bigfoot 'knows' he was born in Kenya! Whatever proof is necessary?

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#184450 Jan 21, 2014
The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars(e.g. Obama); the men they detest most violently are those(Trump, Keyes, Arpaio, Taitz, Pat Boone, etc.) who try to tell them the truth." H.L. Mencken

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184453 Jan 22, 2014
Jacques,
It is not my fault that Islam is rife with discontent and superstition.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184454 Jan 22, 2014
"Even the mot general information on FISA surveillance, including how often FISA surveillance targets American citizens, or how often FISA surveillance is used in criminal cases, is unknown to the public."

Patrick Leahy

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184455 Jan 22, 2014
foonery wrote:
<quoted text>
Your claims are untrue. Much hard work was put into this fabrication but all is false. Good try, actually excellent try.
foonery : How appropriate.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184456 Jan 22, 2014
"Clearly, specific investigations must be kept secret, but even the basic facts about the FISA process have been resistant to sunlight."

Patrick Leahy

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184457 Jan 22, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars(e.g. Obama); the men they detest most violently are those(Trump, Keyes, Arpaio, Taitz, Pat Boone, etc.) who try to tell them the truth." H.L. Mencken
Welby's intelligentsia gallery : Trump, Keyes, Arpaio, Taitz, Pat Boone, LMAO (LRS-Dale tm reg'd).

And you dare mention Mencken's name in the same sentence?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184458 Jan 22, 2014
Jacques,
Here is another excerpt excised from the same statement:

"The Department (of Justice) cites my statement to support its arguments that there is no longer a distinction between using FISA for a criminal prosecution and using it to collect foreign intelligence. That was not and is not my belief."

Patrick Leahy

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184459 Jan 22, 2014
AP : UNITED STATES
LAST YEAR TIED FOR FOURTH-WARMEST EVER
Last year was tied for the fourth warmest year on record around the world. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on Tuesday released its global temperature figures for 2013. The average world temperature was 14.52 C tying with 2003 for the fourth warmest since 1880. NASA, which calculates records in different manner, said Tuesday 2013 was the seventh warmest on record, with an average temperature of14.6 C. Both agencies said nine of the tenth warmest years on record have happened in the 21st century.
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You see, Rogue, just like you , I'm no expert on Global climate change. I rely on the experts from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA. Did you read the last sentence carefully?: "Both agencies said nine of the tenth warmest years on record have happened in the 21st century".

No further comment.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184460 Jan 22, 2014
foonery wrote:
<quoted text>
Your claims are untrue. Much hard work was put into this fabrication but all is false. Good try, actually excellent try.
Notice that the above is not a response to the facts at all. It is merely a blanket claim that they are false. Well, they are true.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

(Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184461 Jan 22, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>"All persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens", this little phrase means the same thing as "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)".
Violations of the Constitution does not make law or precedent.
"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.
The evident meaning is that Dufus Dale does not comprehend that foreign law cannot operate within the borders of the United States and that an ordinary alien or a child born thereto is not subject to a foreign power while in the United States and such inoperative foreign law thereby cannot create an immediate natural allegiance.

Barack Obama was born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. He is therefore a natural born citizen.

If Klaus Schmidt (made up name), born of a German father in the United States were to utter words that are in violation of German hate speech laws while in the US, Germany could do nothing about it while he resided in the US because he would be under the jurisdiction of the US, NOT Germany, and he could stay here as long as he pleased because he would be a natural born citizen.

Sorreeee. Play Law doesn't count.
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably the best thing you could do, would be to get use to the fact, Obama is POTUS and no one is subject to Play Law

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