BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#157370 May 29, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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You wrote, AGAIN : "Oh, the Housing Mortgage crisis and the subsequent bank failure were caused by Carters Urban Reinvestment Act of 1977 and Clinton's acts that made it real easy to sue banks who turned down people who applied for those mortgages. Banks never would have made Zero-down, Sub-prime loans unless they were forced to."
I've debunked that at least five times in the last 3 months, and you never ever respond. What you do is come back with it every now and then, as if it had never surfaced. Carter was 35 years ago, and it worked fine until GWB and Greenspan came along. When people burn the red lights and have accidents, do you blame the traffic lights?
Banks were forced? Are you mad? Forced to accept to lend money to overvalued house owners without ascertaining if they even had a job, what they earned when they did and no credit check? THAT's what Carter and Clinton had in mind? As I said, it worked fine until GWB came along.
You are quite right.

Right meaning correct, not far rightwing.

lol

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It Was the Banks / by James K. Galbraith
November 5, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/2g9d2te
The original sin of Obama's presidency was to assign economic policy to a closed circle of bank-friendly economists and Bush carryovers. Larry Summers. Timothy Geithner. Ben Bernanke. These men had no personal commitment to the goal of an early recovery, no stake in the Democratic Party, no interest in the larger success of Barack Obama. Their primary goal, instead, was and remains to protect their own past decisions and their own professional futures.

But one cannot defend the actions of Team Obama on taking office. Law, policy and politics all pointed in one direction: turn the systemically dangerous banks over to Sheila Bair and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Insure the depositors, replace the management, fire the lobbyists, audit the books, prosecute the frauds, and restructure and downsize the institutions. The financial system would have been cleaned up. And the big bankers would have been beaten as a political force.

Team Obama did none of these things. Instead they announced "stress tests," plainly designed so as to obscure the banks' true condition. They pressured the Federal Accounting Standards Board to permit the banks to ignore the market value of their toxic assets. Management stayed in place. They prosecuted no one. The Fed cut the cost of funds to zero. The President justified all this by repeating, many times, that the goal of policy was "to get credit flowing again." / http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/05-1...
Justice Dale

United States

#157371 May 29, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Demonstrably false, as has been demonstrated to Justice Dumbarse dozens of times.
"Boo hoo hoo." -- Birfoons
LMAO!!! Just who are we the people of the US?
Justice Dale

United States

#157372 May 29, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Says the impotent misfit. Got any court to adopt play law yet?
LMAO!!! Slojar, your post was destroyed by the Preamble.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157373 May 29, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You are right, who really gives a shit what you say!!!
Pretty ironic coming from the Dufus who believes in a fantasy definition of jurisdiction that no country in the world uses or ever has used.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidently Play Justice Dale prefers 'Play Law'.
Who cares?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157374 May 29, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Slojar, your post was destroyed by the Preamble.
If you're illiterate.
Justice Dale

United States

#157375 May 29, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
So in play law there was no such thing as a Natural Born Citizen of the US prior to the 14th amendment? Your fable grows more ignorant with every paste
LMAO!!! There wasn't a definition of a "Natural Born Citizen" in the Constitution until the 14th amendment. Now we have the definition, all persons born or naturalized in the US "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)", this simply means not subject to any foreign nation.
As we all know by now, Obama was born a subject of his father's country of origin, the UK. FACT!!! It is on his BOGUS LFBC!!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#157376 May 29, 2013
Jacques,
President Obama will be in Chicago tonight with hat in hand for a pair of eclusive, over-priced, highly-inflated fundraisers for the Democratic machine, according to the Chicago Tribune.
Justice Dale

United States

#157377 May 29, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty ironic coming from the Dufus who believes in a fantasy definition of jurisdiction that no country in the world uses or ever has used.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Funny, we are a Constitutional Republic, the Constitution has jurisdiction over all branches of our government, no Constitution no USA.
Slojar, don't show your ignorance this early in the morning.
Justice Dale

United States

#157379 May 29, 2013
slojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're illiterate.
LMAO!!! So the US Constitution was written for all the nations of the world, I think they might have a problem with that.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#157380 May 29, 2013
Jacques,
Sometimes I just shake my head in wonder in the sheer audacity of some people.
loose

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157381 May 29, 2013
"They alone are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States who are within their dominions and under the protection of their laws, and with the consequent obligation to obey them when obedience can be rendered; and only those thus subject by their birth or naturalization are within the terms of the amendment."

In re Look Tin Sing, 21 Fed. Rep. 905,906 (C.C. Cal. 1884)

Sorry Dufus, Play Law doesn't count.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157382 May 29, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Funny, we are a Constitutional Republic, the Constitution has jurisdiction over all branches of our government, no Constitution no USA.
Slojar, don't show your ignorance this early in the morning.
"They alone are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States who are within their dominions and under the protection of their laws, and with the consequent obligation to obey them when obedience can be rendered; and only those thus subject by their birth or naturalization are within the terms of the amendment."

In re Look Tin Sing, 21 Fed. Rep. 905,906 (C.C. Cal. 1884)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157383 May 29, 2013
"In short, the judgment in the case of The Exchange declared, as incontrovertible principles, that the jurisdiction of every nation within its own territory is exclusive and absolute, and is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by the nation itself;"
US v. Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 686 (1898)

Play Law, notwithstanding.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157384 May 29, 2013
In the first section of the act of Congress approved March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. at Large, 102), it is enacted:

‘That any alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and UNDER THE JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.’

Play Law, notwithstanding.
Justice Dale

United States

#157385 May 29, 2013
wojar wrote:
"They alone are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States who are within their dominions and under the protection of their laws, and with the consequent obligation to obey them when obedience can be rendered; and only those thus subject by their birth or naturalization are within the terms of the amendment."
In re Look Tin Sing, 21 Fed. Rep. 905,906 (C.C. Cal. 1884)
Sorry Dufus, Play Law doesn't count.
LMAO!!! Aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)", this is why we make treaties with nations, just as we did with the Indian Nations, since we have no jurisdiction over them.
Justice Dale

United States

#157386 May 29, 2013
wojar wrote:
"In short, the judgment in the case of The Exchange declared, as incontrovertible principles, that the jurisdiction of every nation within its own territory is exclusive and absolute, and is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by the nation itself;"
US v. Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 686 (1898)
Play Law, notwithstanding.
LMAO!!! Aliens can't be taxed with the responsibilities required by the Constitution.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157387 May 29, 2013
“From the first organization of the national government under the constitution, the naturalization acts of the United States, in providing for the admission of aliens to citizenship by judicial proceedings, uniformly required every applicant to have resided for a certain time ‘within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States,’ and thus applied the words ‘under the jurisdiction of the United States' to aliens residing here before they had taken an oath to support the constitution of the United States, or had renounced allegiance to a foreign government. Acts March 26, 1790, c. 3 (1 Stat. 103); January 29, 1795, c. 20, § 1 (1 Stat. 414); June 18, 1798, c. 54, §§ 1, 6 (1 Stat. 566, 568); April 14, 1802, c. 28, § 1 (2 Stat. 153); March 22, 1816, c. 32, § 1 (3 Stat. 258); May 24, 1828, c. 116, § 2 (4 Stat. 310); Rev. St. § 2165. And, from 1795, the provisions of those acts, which granted citizenship to foreign-born children of American parents, described such children as ‘born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States.’ Acts Jan. 29, 1795, c. 20, § 3 (1 Stat. 415); April 14, 1802, c. 28, § 4 (2 Stat. 155); February 10, 1855, c. 71 (10 Stat. 604); Rev. St. §§ 1993, 2172. Thus congress, when dealing with the question of citizenship in that aspect, treated aliens residing in this country as ‘under the jurisdiction of the United States,’ and American parents residing abroad as ‘out of the jurisdiction of the United States.’” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 686-687 (1898)
Justice Dale

United States

#157388 May 29, 2013
wojar wrote:
In the first section of the act of Congress approved March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. at Large, 102), it is enacted:
‘That any alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and UNDER THE JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.’
Play Law, notwithstanding.
LMAO!!! Yes, one can be under the jurisdiction, per treaty, but never 'and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", this only comes after citizenship is required, of course in 1790 they were only talking about local and state laws, since the states were the ones that made the citizens.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#157389 May 29, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! So the US Constitution was written for all the nations of the world, I think they might have a problem with that.
Where did Dufus Dale ever get that idea?

Vattel:
Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.

The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”

Black's law Dictionary:
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory; esp., a state's power to create interests that will be recognized under common-law principles as valid in other states <New Jersey's jurisdiction>.

Each refers to the nation or a nation, not specifically the United States or the United States Constitution. No nation on earth subscribes to Play Law and the US certainly never did.
Learn to Read

United States

#157390 May 29, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>Let me clarify. Obama has committed Treason against America.
Any new frivolous lawsuits to share Bobbie?

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