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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116335 Oct 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Sure, our sovereign nation of we the people does not have jurisdiction within its dominions.
Idiotic.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
Black's Law Dictionary, 9th edition.
<quoted text>
Visiting aliens belong to a foreign power and do not come under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, if this were not so, a visiting alien could vote and be drafted into the US Military.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116336 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
no one is talking about diplomatic immunity. Aliens are required by their country's law to bey the laws of the US and States of the US, under treaty between the US and their country of origin. Do you doubt that?
YES -- what is the effect when there is no existing treaty?

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#116337 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
PAUL RYAN - WILLARD ROMNEY
Can anyone on this thread articulate a valid reason(s) to support our ticket's objective to reduce the national debt of our great United States?
Easy Bake oven!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116339 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no one is talking about diplomatic immunity. Aliens are required by their country's law to bey the laws of the US and States of the US, under treaty between the US and their country of origin. Do you doubt that?
There he goes again, with the treaty red herring.

I'm sorry, but if an alien were to rob a bank in Wichita, the right of the US to prosecute in federal court, and imprison the miscreant, would not depend upon any treaty.

If a foreign country's law stated that their citizens must obey US law while in the US, it would have no relevance to prosecution in the US. In addition to being liable to prosecution in the US, such foreign citizens would be liable to prosecution within their own country as well. Foreign law does not give the US permission to exercise its authority within its dominions.

Grow up!

wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, alienage does not confer diplomatic immunity.
Grow up.
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And yet BirfoonBoy thinks aliens, though not citizens of Kansas are subject to the laws of KS under the KS constitution, which in part reads, "We the people of Kansas."
Grow up, BirfoonBoy.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116340 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
treaties are international law.
FALSE -- please tell the Class where international law is codified and what countries passed proper resolutions to abide by the codified international law. If it is not written where everyone has access to it, it is not LAW, and that makes you an ignorant and uneducated person who knows NOTHING about our sacred Constitution much less international law.
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Dare you to tell the Class the name of any scholar with whom you have studied international law. Ha Ha Ha Ha
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116341 Oct 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Justice Derp, if a majority of illegal aliens is of Mexican descent, then that would be a Mexican ethnic group.
You just wrote one of the dumbest collections of words I've ever seen here, and that's saying something when you consider your peers. Did you just choose random crap and arrange it into a post?
It's really sad you believe the garbage you write. Were it law as you wish, huge tracts of US society would be stateless.
And that is only a smidgen of why birfoons are the laughingstock of the US.
You have to be "shitting me", illegals, your ass should be thrown under the fuching jail. Hell, they are "outlaws", and should be dealt with accordingly.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116343 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
"What is the best treatise on jurisdiction (of all types -- in the broadest use of that term) that you can recommend to those in the Class who wish to become as learned as you?"
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Justice Dale wrote:
2. The Bible.
NOW YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE A COMPLETE AND UTTER UNEDUCATED SIMPLETON.
Please provide citations to at least three jurisdictional provisions in the Bible. Thank you.
BTW, to which edition of the Bible are you referring? Please provide the date of the translation, the publisher, and page citations.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116344 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
PAUL RYAN - WILLARD ROMNEY
Can anyone on this thread articulate a valid reason(s) to support our ticket's objective to reduce the national debt of our great United States?
Stanky, can you give a valid reason NOT to?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#116345 Oct 11, 2012
US sends forces to Jordan as check on Syria

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/US-sen...

Remember that site on Jordan and 0, I put on here recently??? barenakedislam or ???

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116346 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
"Is a California resident subject to the jurisdiction of Massachusetts when visiting the Bay State?
"Is a California corporation subject to the jurisdiction of Massachusetts when doing business there?"
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Justice Dale wrote:
1. In a reciprocal manner, yes. My conceal carry permit is not accepted in many states.
How embarrassingly lame is your scholarship.
Concealed carry has absolutely nothing to do with jurisdiction. Please answer the two very straight-forward questions posed that any first month law student could answer with citation to specific cases. HOW PATHETIC THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT SUBJECT THAT YOUR BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Please name the most famous cases in our great 800-year tradition of Anglo-American jurisprudence that have established the parameters of jurisdiction. Thank you.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116347 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
"Please explain by REFERENCE to any controlling statute how 'international law' is enforceable. Thank you."
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"GREAT. You prove yourself to be really stupid since none of your post deals with INTERNATIONAL LAW -- only a treaty.
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>>>>>>> "Please explain to the Class where INTERNATIONAL LAW is written down, as is the case with our sacred Constitution. Thank you."<<<<< <<
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Most treaties are not two- or three-party contracts?
>>>>>>> >>>>>Where is this "international law" WRITTEN DOWN, so that nations may draft their treaties in accord with it?<<<<<< <<<<
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Justice Dale wrote:
treaties are international law.
The really stupid one's inability to state a straightforward answer exposes his total absence of knowledge of The Law.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116348 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>that is correct, visiting aliens can not be drafted into the US Military, they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution, as we citizens are.
Non sequitur. A 90-year old citizen in a nursing home cannot be drafted either. Grow up!

The false premise that the military draft is a criterion of jurisdiction of the United States is imbecilic.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed, paraplegics don't meet the standards. That's news?
Indeed, aliens aren't citizens. That's news?
Indeed, children cannot be taxed until 18, but that doesn't mean they are not under the jurisdiction of the United States or that they are not citizens.
It is BirfoonBoy's FALSE PREMISE[1] that persons who "can not [sic] be taxed with military duty in this country" are "not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution."
TB sanatorium patients in AZ cannot be drafted either, but that doesn't mean they are not under the jurisdiction of the United States.
Grow up!
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[1] BirfoonBoy:"Transient aliens can not be taxed with military duty in this country, they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution."
<quoted text>
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116349 Oct 11, 2012
Better yet, Stanky can you give a valid reason you're allowed to exist?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116350 Oct 11, 2012
Nobody U Know wrote:
***News Flash***
R 49% O 44%...
Obama is sinking like a rock!
Then there is no question you will not object to whomever is elected?
(Post #116,272)
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THIS ELECTION
On Sunday, January 20, 2013, when Chief Justice John Roberts intones,“Congratulations, Mr. President,” will the strident and uneducated minorities on each side of the spectrum be able to accept the “Will of ‘WE THE PEOPLE’” however that turns out?
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#116351 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You have to be "shitting me", illegals, your ass should be thrown under the fuching jail. Hell, they are "outlaws", and should be dealt with accordingly.
Justice Derp, there is no doubt that illegal aliens have broken our laws and should be dealt with accordingly. Since they're here in the US and under its jurisdiction, we can do so.

None of that changes the fact that you just wrote that the "people" in We the People are an ethnic group. Clearly illegal immigrants can be an ethnic group if they're of the same ETHNICITY.

Again you've made a fool of yourself. Again your foolishness is representative of the lot of sorry birfoons.

Sad.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116352 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
Visiting aliens belong to a foreign power and do not come under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, if this were not so, a visiting alien could vote and be drafted into the US Military.
Do you agree that, if a minor (under 18-years of age) is born and raised in the United States of America, she comes under the jurisdiction of the Constitution and can, therefore, vote or be drafted while she is a child? You do agree, don't you?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116353 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Despite the relative ease of executive agreements, the President still often chooses to pursue the formal treaty process over an executive agreement in order to gain congressional support on matters that require the Congress to pass implementing legislation or appropriate funds, and those agreements that impose long-term, complex legal obligations on the U.S.
Whoop-dee-do!

That has nothing to do with the fantasy that ordinary aliens are not under the jurisdiction of the US while in this country.

You could just have well said "the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain."

Grow up!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Treaties in which the US enters are under the Treaty Clause.
Art. II,§ 2,¶ 2.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116354 Oct 11, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
Obama has a Father who was NEVER a US citizen!
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT -- THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DISPUTED.
Of course, it has no bearing whatsoever on Obama's natural-born citizenship as was upheld by the action of the United States Supreme Court in Kerchner v. Obama (cert. denied 2010).
"Article III.
"Section. 1.
"The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116355 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
YES -- what is the effect when there is no existing treaty?
How did he get into the country?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116357 Oct 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
There he goes again, with the treaty red herring.
I'm sorry, but if an alien were to rob a bank in Wichita, the right of the US to prosecute in federal court, and imprison the miscreant, would not depend upon any treaty.
If a foreign country's law stated that their citizens must obey US law while in the US, it would have no relevance to prosecution in the US. In addition to being liable to prosecution in the US, such foreign citizens would be liable to prosecution within their own country as well. Foreign law does not give the US permission to exercise its authority within its dominions.
Grow up!
<quoted text>
All you can do is obfucate, you haven't an idea.

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