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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#105154 Sep 3, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Great pitching. Oh, wojar, should we ask him for those Obama photos?
So I guess WoTARD is the pitcher and you are the catcher, huh?
I always thought that you were freaky-deaky.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#105155 Sep 3, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Hell, you haven't even took a swing yet!
Still running from a stoner, huh?
You remain very IGNORANT, WoTARD!
We know Obama has fraudulent birth certificates, without a doubt!
We know the reason why is because he was born in Kenya, just like he told his Literary Agent in 1991.
The information in his bio was changed approximately 4 times before 2007.
Only in 2007, after Obama had decided to run for the pResidency, did born in Kenya suddenly become allegedly born in Hawaii.
There is NO Obama long form birth certificate that contains a raised visible embossed State of Hawaii seal of authenticity.
But there IS an alleged scanned only PDF file copy on which the registrars signature and date stamp can be moved, proving that the copy had been computer-built and had been digitally altered.
When are you going to explain that, WoTARD?
Fukino said the original long form birth certificate that she saw was half handwritten and half typewritten.
This does not match what Obama released.
This is why Obama's original long form birth certificate has no State of Hawaii seal of authentication.
What Obama released is NOT what Fukino said she saw.
So either Fukino has LIED about seeing it, because it doesn't even exist, or it does exist stating that Obama was birthed in Kenya, and this is the reason for the released fraudulent birth certificates, and carefully lawyered statements from Hawaii DOH officials.
When are you going to explain that, WoTARD?
Go ahead and take a swing at it.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Mark Twain.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#105156 Sep 3, 2012
The radical left turn of US since Bush times has accelerated the continuance further by this Obama.

The extreme left-turn facts are:

_relationship with China in the radical trade from less and no debts to trading to the largest debts owing to China , by even borrowing to run the economy,and by having them to access to US to steal technology and other goodies,to outcome the insecurity of US.

_the amnesty for illegals and aliens and the taking in a lot of tourists ,foreigners and visa holders.

_the drastic recognition of illegitimacy from admission to job opportunities to universities, displacing the citizens.

-this results poor education within.

-there has been a radical, dramatic revolution in the US to overthrow validity and tradition in this Obama era.

-as a result, US has lost a lot of productivity,with its people becoming under-educated,and increasingly cannot compete with many countries of the world.

What this amounts to is that they have crimped down of USA by Obama and Biden, showing its declining, while its people are having troubles surviving, especially beyond economically with much troubles ahead.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#105157 Sep 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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I'm not the whiner who is trying to deny that the President is not the President. You've got a bad case of projection. It was decided with finality that Ark was born in the US a citizen. Never has it been doubted by the founders, the courts, the Congress, or distinguished jurists and scholars such as Chancellor James Kent, Justice Joseph Story, Chancellor Lewis Sanford, and many others that any person born a citizen in this country is anything other than a natural born citizen of the United States.
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It has never been doubted?? You are delusional, and uneducated.

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."- Minor v. Happersett

That's funny, considering the SCOTUS seems to agree there are doubts.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#105158 Sep 3, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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Keep whining puppet.
Thank you for admitting that you cannot name any person born a citizen in the US since ratification of the Constitution (or after the conclusion of the Revolution) who was not considered to be born a natural born citizen of the United States or who was held by a court not to be born a natural born citizen.
wojar wrote:
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I'm not the whiner who is trying to deny that the President is not the President. You've got a bad case of projection. It was decided with finality that Ark was born in the US a citizen. Never has it been doubted by the founders, the courts, the Congress, or distinguished jurists and scholars such as Chancellor James Kent, Justice Joseph Story, Chancellor Lewis Sanford, and many others that any person born a citizen in this country is anything other than a natural born citizen of the United States.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#105159 Sep 3, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Harry Puckeye, think you could form an opinion on a hypothetical situation? LMAO
Still with the name-calling? You'll probably outgrow that. Maybe when puberty hits.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#105160 Sep 3, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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It has never been doubted?? You are delusional, and uneducated.
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."- Minor v. Happersett
That's funny, considering the SCOTUS seems to agree there are doubts.
Got a reading problem? Please point to any person or class of persons born citizens in the US who were not considered natural born. There is no such person mentioned in Minor v. Happersett.

Again, it was never doubted that a person born a citizen in the US is anything other than a natural born citizen.
wojar wrote:
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I'm not the whiner who is trying to deny that the President is not the President. You've got a bad case of projection. It was decided with finality that Ark was born in the US a citizen. Never has it been doubted by the founders, the courts, the Congress, or distinguished jurists and scholars such as Chancellor James Kent, Justice Joseph Story, Chancellor Lewis Sanford, and many others that any person born a citizen in this country is anything other than a natural born citizen of the United States.
ehancock

Dedham, MA

#105161 Sep 3, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Hell, you haven't even took a swing yet!
Still running from a stoner, huh?
You remain very IGNORANT, WoTARD!
We know Obama has fraudulent birth certificates, without a doubt!
We know the reason why is because he was born in Kenya, just like he told his Literary Agent in 1991....
There is NO Obama long form birth certificate that contains a raised visible embossed State of Hawaii seal of authenticity.
But there IS an alleged scanned only PDF file copy on which the registrars signature and date stamp can be moved, proving that the copy had been computer-built and had been digitally altered.
...
Fukino said the original long form birth certificate that she saw was half handwritten and half typewritten.
This does not match what Obama released.
This is why Obama's original long form birth certificate has no State of Hawaii seal of authentication.
What Obama released is NOT what Fukino said she saw.
So either Fukino has LIED about seeing it, because it doesn't even exist, or it does exist stating that Obama was birthed in Kenya, and this is the reason for the released fraudulent birth certificates, and carefully lawyered statements from Hawaii DOH officials.
When are you going to explain that, WoTARD?
Go ahead and take a swing at it.
The seal is on the back, where it is supposed to be.

We know that birther "experts"---who claim that they are experts but have not proven it, and who certainly have not proven that they are fair and impartial---claim that there is something wrong with Obama's birth certificate. But they are the only ones, and they are not believed by Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona, who recently asked Hawaii for confirmation that Obama was born there. And when he received that confirmation, and the confirmation of all the facts on Obama's published long form birth certificate, ACCEPTED THAT CONFIRMATION AS PROOF THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.

Obama has shown both a short form birth certificate from Hawaii and a long form birth certificate from Hawaii. He has shown both the images of them on the Web and the actual physical copies to the press. One reporter stated that she had felt the seal on the long form. The seal on the short form was photographed by FactCheck.

The "born in Kenya" story is particularly nutty. Obama did not tell his publicist any such thing. The publicist admits to having made the mistake. But even if Obama thought that he was born in Kenya, he would be wrong because:

1) Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, making the chance that Obama and his mother being two of them pretty low.

2) Obama's mother would have had to have traveled ten thousand miles to Kenya late in pregnancy at considerable risk of stillbirth and of Yellow Fever in Kenya (where it was endemic) and ALONE (since WND has proven that Obama senior was in Hawaii throughout 1961). Such a trip would have been extremely rare in 1961.

3) The government of Kenya says that it never happened. It says that it checked on whether Obama was born in Kenya and found that he was NOT born in Kenya.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged ...

4) And the government of Hawaii has said that there is a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital. That is further confirmed by the Index Data public file, and still further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#105162 Sep 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Normally I do not forward racist jokes and this is mildly racist ... but it is funny.
Just got this from a reliable source.(Word Is out!)
It has been leaked to the press that Barack Obama has chosen:
Sylvester Stallone for his 2012 running mate
Nancy Pelosi for Secretary of State
He is dropping Joe Biden from the ticket.
They will run as Sambo, Rambo and Bimbo, without Dumbo.
And THAT is what passes for "funny" in your social circle? That is so pedestrian as to be pitiable.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#105163 Sep 3, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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What has Obama done for America that has been beneficial for America?
8.3% unemployment?
The loss of our AAA credit rating?
6 Trillion in new deficit?
Allowing illegals to cut line in front of immigrants trying to come here legally?
Violating the Constitution that he swore to uphold?
Have you seen his latest popularity rating? 44%.
They need to poll me. I happen to think he's done a fairly good job of not letting the country fall apart. Do yourself a favor. Vote Obama in November.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#105164 Sep 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Got a reading problem? Please point to any person or class of persons born citizens in the US who were not considered natural born. There is no such person mentioned in Minor v. Happersett.
Again, it was never doubted that a person born a citizen in the US is anything other than a natural born citizen.
<quoted text>
Reading comprehension problems?

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."- Minor v. Happersett

Here let me help you by reducing it to just a couple sentences since your brain seems to get lost while reading paragraphs.

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

Even the SCOTUS admitted to having doubts in regards to those NOT born of TWO Citizen Parents.

But it's OK Wojar, we understand that you can't comprehend facts.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#105165 Sep 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting that you cannot name any person born a citizen in the US since ratification of the Constitution (or after the conclusion of the Revolution) who was not considered to be born a natural born citizen of the United States or who was held by a court not to be born a natural born citizen.
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Sure I can, poor old Wong Kim Ark. Poor guy was only declared a citizen by the SCOTUS, too bad he didn't meet the requirements that Elg did when she was declared a natural born citizen.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#105166 Sep 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Got a reading problem? Please point to any person or class of persons born citizens in the US who were not considered natural born. There is no such person mentioned in Minor v. Happersett.
Again, it was never doubted that a person born a citizen in the US is anything other than a natural born citizen.
<quoted text>
From time to time a Birfoon pastes oin the claim about how they were taught in third grade that only persons born to two Citizens parents could be POTUS. Of course the pathetic Birfoons have never located a copy of this magic text from which they were taught, but that doesn't seem to stop them from clinging to the fable.

Since it has been rainy, I was doing some casual reading over the weekend - old books I hadn't read in years. Surprise, surprise - Kurt Vonnegut confirmed (back in 1973) what every Indiana High School student already knew - Natural Born Citizen (at least for purposes of POTUS = Born here and had nothing to do with father's citizenship)(Clue for Birfoons - read "Breakfast of Champions")
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#105167 Sep 3, 2012
ehancock wrote:
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The seal is on the back, where it is supposed to be.
Stop right there!
You know that the Hawaii DOH seal is a raised embossed seal that would be visible from BOTH sides, right?
Try again, LIAR?
Jacques Ottawa

Montréal, Canada

#105168 Sep 3, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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So I guess WoTARD is the pitcher and you are the catcher, huh?
I always thought that you were freaky-deaky.
Aren't you curious? Don't you want to see those shockng and revealing Davis-Obama-mom photos?

Thanks but Wojar's a level or two up from me.
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#105169 Sep 3, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
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They need to poll me. I happen to think he's done a fairly good job of not letting the country fall apart. Do yourself a favor. Vote Obama in November.
So you think that America should re-elect the usurper who gave us,

8.3% unemployment?
The loss of our AAA credit rating?
6 Trillion in new deficit?
Allowing illegals to cut line in front of immigrants trying to come here legally?
Violating the Constitution that he swore to uphold?
Have you seen his latest popularity rating? 43%.

I don't think so!

Are you an escaped mental patient?
JEB

United States

#105170 Sep 3, 2012
Which candidate would do a better job handling terrorism and national security?"

Obama 45%

Romney 40%

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#105171 Sep 3, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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Reading comprehension problems?
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."- Minor v. Happersett
Here let me help you by reducing it to just a couple sentences since your brain seems to get lost while reading paragraphs.
"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."
Even the SCOTUS admitted to having doubts in regards to those NOT born of TWO Citizen Parents.
But it's OK Wojar, we understand that you can't comprehend facts.
Now read SLOWLY:

Please point to any person[1] or class of persons BORN CITIZENS in the US who were not considered natural born. There is no such person mentioned in Minor v. Happersett.

The court did not opine that if children born in the US of aliens parents were BORN CITIZENS, that they would not be natural born. To the contrary, the court concluded that persons born as citizens in the country are natural born citizens. Persons born of citizen parents were natural born citizens because they were born citizens in this country. "[B]ecame themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ...." The court acknowledged that there were some doubts that children born in the US were born citizens without regard to parentage, doubts that were resolved in Ark.

Again, please point to citizens BORN CITIZENS in a country[1] who were not considered to be natural born citizens.

There are no such persons.

__________
[1] With the exception of persons born during a revolution such as Inglis.
wojar wrote:
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Got a reading problem? Please point to any person or class of persons born citizens in the US who were not considered natural born. There is no such person mentioned in Minor v. Happersett.
Again, it was never doubted that a person born a citizen in the US is anything other than a natural born citizen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#105172 Sep 3, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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Sure I can, poor old Wong Kim Ark. Poor guy was only declared a citizen by the SCOTUS, too bad he didn't meet the requirements that Elg did when she was declared a natural born citizen.
Ark met the same "requirements" for natural born citizenship as Elg, according to the courts: born in the United States. Nowhere in the Elg decisions was it ever mentioned that her natural born citizenship status depended on anything but birth in the United States per US v. Ark.

“In the Wong Kim Ark Case, supra, the whole question of citizenship is traced from its source and the subject is so elaborately considered as to make unnecessary any further reference to this phase of the question.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 411 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that you cannot name any person born a citizen in the US since ratification of the Constitution (or after the conclusion of the Revolution) who was not considered to be born a natural born citizen of the United States or who was held by a court not to be born a natural born citizen.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#105173 Sep 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Ark met the same "requirements" for natural born citizenship as Elg,
If that was the case, the SCOTUS would have taken no issue with calling him a "Natural Born Citizen" just as they had Elg, they did not.

Sorry Wojar, no matter how much you dance, you lose.

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