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Obamacare: Californians will pay 10th highest rates in country under health exchange

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spOko

Oakland, CA

#1029 Nov 26, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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But I thought Republicans were trying to destroy Obamacare and here we see that Republicans are doing a better job implementing the law than Democrats, as usual. I guess that is just another lie told to make Republicans look bad. It seems that unlike Obamacrats, Republicans follow the law even if they don’t agree with it.
The enrolment numbers aren't impressive 26K out of 625K but at least the Republicans were able to build a website that works. Of course with the 17th oldest population in the country they are going to have a tough time getting enough young healthy people to sign up. That's o.k. though the taxpayers will cover the loss and provide the guaranteed profit for the insurance companies.
Nice try, It's the Governor, a democrat, that has the necessary skills to engage his republican lead state assembly to be productive! Besides, there is nothing wrong with being a republican, its the GOP leadership that is without a compass.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#1030 Nov 26, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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It is ironic that all of the things Republicans complain about with the ACA, mandates, websites, contraception coverage, etc. would have never been an issue if we had a simple single payer system like everybody else wanted. Leave it to the Republicans to scream about their own plan.
Sorry the only ones screaming for a single payer is libturds you know the socialist way.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#1031 Nov 26, 2013
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry the only ones screaming for a single payer is libturds you know the socialist way.
It is hilarious that when a teabagger does not know what to say they just start yelling socialist even thought they do not known what it means.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#1032 Nov 26, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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It is hilarious that when a teabagger does not know what to say they just start yelling socialist even thought they do not known what it means.
Don't forget fascist too.

It's funny that these tea baggers all hate socialism but they expect their EBT card to be filled on the 1st of every month.

Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#1033 Nov 26, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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It is hilarious that when a teabagger does not know what to say they just start yelling socialist even thought they do not known what it means.
Just as hilarious when all else fails with you libturds blame G.Bush or TP or Santa Claus or my favorite play the race card.
The CBS This Morning segment opened with Charlie Rose telling viewers, "CBS News is learning that another promise by the government isn't holding up. Some who get their insurance through work are losing their coverage." And it only got worse from there.
"We learned that the government estimated all along," Sharyl Attkisson reports, "that millions of workers will be dropped from their employee insurance under [ObamaCare], and for some it is already happening."

After telling the story of two small business owners (one once featured in a pro-ObamaCare ad), forced by ObamaCare price spikes to drop coverage for their employees, Attkisson plays a montage of clips featuring White House spokesman Jay Carney. Again and again, while trying to contain the fallout from President Obama lying about being able to keep your insurance, Carney assures Americans that those who get health insurance through their employers have absolutely nothing to worry about. But…

"…in 2010," Attkisson reveals. "The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Service estimated that ObamaCare would collectively reduce the number of people with employer-sponsored health coverage by about 14 million.'"

This is the first time I am aware of that anyone in the mainstream media has reported on the fact that the employer-market is about to get walloped by Obamacare, and that the Obama administration knows this and has known it for over three years.

When President Obama said you can keep your health insurance, he lied. And when the White House tried to contain the damage from that lie with the claim that these cancellations would only hit 5% of the public in the individual health insurance market, that was nothing more than another lie.

Other government documents show that as many as 80 million policies in the employer market could be canceled.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#1034 Nov 26, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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Don't forget fascist too.
It's funny that these tea baggers all hate socialism but they expect their EBT card to be filled on the 1st of every month.
Never had a handout,never want one.My generation was taught to work for what you get. If you don't have the money work extra hours or do whatever it takes. If you still don't have enough money it'll have to wait.Or you do without.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#1035 Nov 26, 2013
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry the only ones screaming for a single payer is libturds you know the socialist way.
60% of all bankruptcy cases in the USA are medical related... meaning that the cost of medical services are out of reach to a huge chunk of Americans.

That's the capitalist way.

Seems your way if far worst than the so-called socialist way.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#1036 Nov 26, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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60% of all bankruptcy cases in the USA are medical related... meaning that the cost of medical services are out of reach to a huge chunk of Americans.
That's the capitalist way.
Seems your way if far worst than the so-called socialist way.
Hey Rico. You're a pretty smart guy. I want you to tell me how we reduced healthcare costs with this law. It seems that we just added a bunch of people who couldn't pay and put the tab on the taxpayer. The drug and insurance companies were big players in the writing of this bill. There's even a bailout clause for insurance companies that don't make the level of profit they anticipated. I guess what I'm saying is this thing is 100% political and 0% responsible planning.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#1037 Nov 26, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Rico. You're a pretty smart guy. I want you to tell me how we reduced healthcare costs with this law. It seems that we just added a bunch of people who couldn't pay and put the tab on the taxpayer. The drug and insurance companies were big players in the writing of this bill. There's even a bailout clause for insurance companies that don't make the level of profit they anticipated. I guess what I'm saying is this thing is 100% political and 0% responsible planning.
The right wing media always harps on the very small number of people who are getting subsidies, but that is not what the law is about. Most people get their insurance through their employer, but there are a small number of people (about 5%) that have to buy insurance on the individual market. These are self-employed people, contract workers, people who lost their jobs before they are eligible for Medicare. These are not deadbeats. These are all hardworking mostly middle class people.

This is a small number of people with no lobbying group. As a result they have been getting pounded by the insurance companies for years. As an example I used to have a group policy through a company. After I left the company they charged me about $250 a month to maintain the insurance through the COBRA law. I had to pay the full amount of the insurance, but I paid the same group rate as the company. It worked for everybody. I had insurance and the insurance company was making a profit off the plan. After 18 months COBRA expires. At that time the insurance company informed me I could convert the policy to an individual policy except the cost would now be over $1000 a month for the exact same policy. That's obscene. They were making a fine profit when I was charged $250 a month. There was no justification for raising the price except that they could.

The ACA basically just makes the insurance companies bundle individual policies into group plans and put them on the exchange. That's it. Individual polices at the group rate. For the overwhelming number of people there are no subsides and not a dime of taxpayer money is involved.

There are some lower income people who will be eligible for subsidies. There are a number of things built into the ACA that are supposed to offset the subsidies. Even if they do not completely offset the subsidies it is still a lot cheaper for everybody to help these people buy insurance than it would cost to treat them without insurance. These people are not deadbeats either. They work, but are in the unfortunate position of making too much much money to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to be able to buy individual insurance at the going rate.

Of course the other beneficiaries are those with pre-exisitng conditions who were never allowed to buy insurance before. I hope you have never had the experience, but it is not a good situation when there is a sick family member that can not buy insurance at any price. This is another case where it is much better for everybody if they have insurance as opposed to driving them into bankruptcy and then giving them Medicaid.

spud

Blakeslee, PA

#1038 Nov 27, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
The right wing media always harps on the very small number of people who are getting subsidies, but that is not what the law is about. Most people get their insurance through their employer, but there are a small number of people (about 5%) that have to buy insurance on the individual market. These are self-employed people, contract workers, people who lost their jobs before they are eligible for Medicare. These are not deadbeats.
This is a small number of people with no lobbying group. As a result they have been getting pounded by the insurance companies for years. As an example I used to have a group policy through a company. After I left the company they charged me about $250 a month to maintain the insurance through the COBRA law. I had to pay the full amount of the insurance, but I paid the same group rate as the company. It worked for everybody. I had insurance and the insurance company was making a profit off the plan. After 18 months COBRA expires. At that time the insurance company informed me I could convert the policy to an individual policy except the cost would now be over $1000 a month for the exact same policy. That's obscene. They were making a fine profit when I was charged $250 a month. There was no justification for raising the price except that they could.
The ACA basically just makes the insurance companies bundle individual policies into group plans and put them on the exchange. That's it. Individual polices at the group rate. For the overwhelming number of people there are no subsides and not a dime of taxpayer money is involved.
There are some lower income people who will be eligible for subsidies. There are a number of things built into the ACA that are supposed to offset the subsidies. Even if they do not completely offset the subsidies it is still a lot cheaper for everybody to help these people buy insurance than it would cost to treat them without insurance. These people are not deadbeats either. They work, but are in the unfortunate position of making too much much money to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to be able to buy individual insurance at the going rate.
Of course the other beneficiaries are those with pre-exisitng conditions who were never allowed to buy insurance before. I hope you have never had the experience, but it is not a good situation when there is a sick family member that can not buy insurance at any price. This is another case where it is much better for everybody if they have insurance as opposed to driving them into bankruptcy and then giving them Medicaid.
Right wing media? You're a funny dude. This plan didn't address the high cost of insurance and drugs. It just moved the responsibility for payment to the young, the healthy and the middle class. First of all, they didn't make the drug companies bid for government contracts. This was started by that little idiot, Bush and it's being perpetuated by that big idiot, Obama. I guess they figure the taxpayer has a lot of money so they can just let them charge whatever they think is fair. That's why the same drugs cost less than 50% in Canada. They allow competition. Same thing with insurance companies. Our government protects monopolistic insurance companies by limiting competition. Obamacare didn't do anything to reduce costs by increasing competition. They did the exact opposite. They not only protected the monopolies, like they always do, but they also promised bailouts if things don't work out for the insurance companies. That could put the taxpayers on the hook for trillions. And as bad as that sounds, the worst is yet to come when the employer mandate kicks in next year, after the election of course. When tens of millions of people find out the company insurance plan they like doesn't meet Obamacare requirements and they are moved into these bogus exchanges, that's when the s--t will hit the fan. Obamacare is pure evil.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#1039 Nov 27, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
The right wing media always harps on the very small number of people who are getting subsidies, but that is not what the law is about. Most people get their insurance through their employer, but there are a small number of people (about 5%) that have to buy insurance on the individual market. These are self-employed people, contract workers, people who lost their jobs before they are eligible for Medicare. These are not deadbeats. These are all hardworking mostly middle class people.
This is a small number of people with no lobbying group. As a result they have been getting pounded by the insurance companies for years. As an example I used to have a group policy through a company. After I left the company they charged me about $250 a month to maintain the insurance through the COBRA law. I had to pay the full amount of the insurance, but I paid the same group rate as the company. It worked for everybody. I had insurance and the insurance company was making a profit off the plan. After 18 months COBRA expires. At that time the insurance company informed me I could convert the policy to an individual policy except the cost would now be over $1000 a month for the exact same policy. That's obscene. They were making a fine profit when I was charged $250 a month. There was no justification for raising the price except that they could.
The ACA basically just makes the insurance companies bundle individual policies into group plans and put them on the exchange. That's it. Individual polices at the group rate. For the overwhelming number of people there are no subsides and not a dime of taxpayer money is involved.
There are some lower income people who will be eligible for subsidies. There are a number of things built into the ACA that are supposed to offset the subsidies. Even if they do not completely offset the subsidies it is still a lot cheaper for everybody to help these people buy insurance than it would cost to treat them without insurance. These people are not deadbeats either. They work, but are in the unfortunate position of making too much much money to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to be able to buy individual insurance at the going rate.
Of course the other beneficiaries are those with pre-exisitng conditions who were never allowed to buy insurance before. I hope you have never had the experience, but it is not a good situation when there is a sick family member that can not buy insurance at any price. This is another case where it is much better for everybody if they have insurance as opposed to driving them into bankruptcy and then giving them Medicaid.
You are, of course, correct ...
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#1040 Nov 27, 2013
spOko wrote:
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You are, of course, correct ...
More 'Oakland think tank' logic?
Dee Dee Dee

Coopersburg, PA

#1041 Nov 27, 2013
SNJ wrote:
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If you remove your blind-fold you may see that your health-care systems today are just opening up for a massive mis-use of medical skills to create un-precedented personal income. Your national medical moral is probably your worst enemy economy-wise. Unnecessary surgery performed just for the surgeon (hospital) to increase turnover.
That's probably why you do have to bleed white for medical care that is taken for granted in f.inst. my country - free of charge here as well, for your guidance......
Free of charge? LOL. Just because you are not paying for it does not make it free. The problem in this country is the cost of medical care. Shifting the cost to the government will only make it cost more. We need to lower the cost of medical care. That in turn will lower the cost of medical insurance. The ACA only shifts the cost of insurance to the government(tax payers)and mandates that people buy insurance that they cannot afford, do not need or want.
We have serious issue with our medical and insurance industries and allowing the industries to write the laws via ACA is not going to benifit the consumer.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#1042 Nov 27, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
The right wing media always harps on the very small number of people who are getting subsidies, but that is not what the law is about. Most people get their insurance through their employer, but there are a small number of people (about 5%) that have to buy insurance on the individual market. These are self-employed people, contract workers, people who lost their jobs before they are eligible for Medicare. These are not deadbeats. These are all hardworking mostly middle class people.
This is a small number of people with no lobbying group. As a result they have been getting pounded by the insurance companies for years. As an example I used to have a group policy through a company. After I left the company they charged me about $250 a month to maintain the insurance through the COBRA law. I had to pay the full amount of the insurance, but I paid the same group rate as the company. It worked for everybody. I had insurance and the insurance company was making a profit off the plan. After 18 months COBRA expires. At that time the insurance company informed me I could convert the policy to an individual policy except the cost would now be over $1000 a month for the exact same policy. That's obscene. They were making a fine profit when I was charged $250 a month. There was no justification for raising the price except that they could.
The ACA basically just makes the insurance companies bundle individual policies into group plans and put them on the exchange. That's it. Individual polices at the group rate. For the overwhelming number of people there are no subsides and not a dime of taxpayer money is involved.
There are some lower income people who will be eligible for subsidies. There are a number of things built into the ACA that are supposed to offset the subsidies. Even if they do not completely offset the subsidies it is still a lot cheaper for everybody to help these people buy insurance than it would cost to treat them without insurance. These people are not deadbeats either. They work, but are in the unfortunate position of making too much much money to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to be able to buy individual insurance at the going rate.
Of course the other beneficiaries are those with pre-exisitng conditions who were never allowed to buy insurance before. I hope you have never had the experience, but it is not a good situation when there is a sick family member that can not buy insurance at any price. This is another case where it is much better for everybody if they have insurance as opposed to driving them into bankruptcy and then giving them Medicaid.
How are we going to cover the better than 20 million illegal aliens? Are we going to throw them into the pool too or are they just going to continue to use the emergency room? Liberal spendthrifts are full of these crazy, unaffordable ideas.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#1043 Nov 27, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
60% of all bankruptcy cases in the USA are medical related... meaning that the cost of medical services are out of reach to a huge chunk of Americans.
That's the capitalist way.
Seems your way if far worst than the so-called socialist way.
The socialist way has really worked out well for the countries that are socialist,hasn't it?
spOko

Oakland, CA

#1044 Nov 27, 2013
FAUX News reported this week that Obamacare is causing layoffs at the Cleveland Clinic. The reports were wrong (what a surprise). But this raises a related question: if GOPers are so worried about hospitals and layoffs, why oppose Medicaid expansion?
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#1045 Nov 27, 2013
spOko wrote:
FAUX News reported this week that Obamacare is causing layoffs at the Cleveland Clinic. The reports were wrong (what a surprise). But this raises a related question: if GOPers are so worried about hospitals and layoffs, why oppose Medicaid expansion?
Hey jerk wad this one is from US news
Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff
Spokesperson says aim is to 'keep care affordable.'
By Lylah Alphonse

September 18, 2013 RSS Feed Print Comment () inShare.33 Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

[READ: Hospital of Tomorrow: How the Industry is Facing the Future]

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

"To prepare for health care reform, Cleveland Clinic is transforming the way care is delivered to patients," the Clinic's representatives said in a statement. "Over the past several years, we have had an ongoing focus on driving efficiencies, lowering costs, reducing duplication in services and enhancing quality to make health care affordable to patients."
There will be plenty of hospitals that will be negatively effected by the bastard law.But you keep the faith because I have no trust or faith in a liar for a pres.
fingiswold

Newark, OH

#1046 Nov 27, 2013
Typically deceptive headline. Read for meaning:

"If no federal subsidy is attached, the individual premium for a mid-range benchmark policy will average $328 a month nationally, according to the Health and Human Services Department. But in California, which leads the country in uninsured residents and is running its own exchange, that plan will cost $373.

The rates, however, will be lower for poor and middle-income people who qualify for the federal subsidies."

Note that most of those needing Obamacare the most are the uninsured or those paying too much for too little. They'll see better, not worse insurance deals.

Don't listen to reTHUGlican lies!
fingiswold

Newark, OH

#1047 Nov 27, 2013
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Hey jerk wad this one is from US news
Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff
Spokesperson says aim is to 'keep care affordable.'
By Lylah Alphonse
September 18, 2013 RSS Feed Print Comment () inShare.33 Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget..blah, blah....
Naturally big, for-profit hospitals are upset that health care will be less expensive and that costs will be brought down. The CLeveland Clinic is one of those that's profited from fraud againt Medicare, Medicaid, and commercial insurers. The gravy train ride is over, now. Fire some of your bloated, overpaid administrators!
fingiswold

Newark, OH

#1048 Nov 27, 2013
My god, I was too hard on Cleveland Clinic. This isn't even factual - it's an outright Faux News LIE:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/fox-b...

Fox News reported that the Cleveland Clinic was instituting "massive layoffs" due to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, but when asked about the reports, a Clinic spokesperson told Media Matters, "We're not."

On November 25, The Daily Caller published an article titled, "Top U.S. hospital laying off staff due to Obamacare." On Fox Business' Markets Now, host Connell McShane reported on the "massive layoffs." America's Newsroom host Bill Hemmer claimed that the Cleveland Clinic was going to "shed workers." Later, during the America's News HQ, Fox reporter Chris Stirewalt claimed that the layoffs "rocked the community there in northeastern Ohio."

But there's one problem: the Cleveland Clinic is not laying off any employees. Eileen Sheil, Cleveland Clinic's Executive Director of Corporate Communications, said in an e-mail to Media Matters, "There have been several mis-reports and they keep mentioning that we're laying off 3,000 employees. We're not." Sheil explained that Cleveland Clinic is offering voluntary retirement to 3,000 eligible employees and that the Clinic is also "working on many initiatives to lower costs, drive efficiencies, reduce duplication of services across our system and provide quality care to our patients." Sheil continued, "Many of these initiatives do not impact our employees."

Faux News LIED? OMG, tell me it's not TRUE! LOL

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