Obamacare: Californians will pay 10th highest rates in country under health exchange

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“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#21 Sep 27, 2013
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti wrote:
<quoted text> you are right, congress and senators are exempt from BEING FORCED into obtaining obamacare! and the argument which many are trying to get across is why are they exempt from it? NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM, if it isn't.....then WHY FORCE the citizens to BUY IT? THIS IS NOT EQUALITY FOR ALL instead it is discriminating against the citizens and giving preferential treatment for congress and senators and "o" and his administration THUGS.
Obamacare has been ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS. Though I "get" your argument, it's falling on deaf ears. Soon all Americans will have health coverage... what a wonderful thing!!!

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

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#22 Sep 27, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously? That is what you were told?
Obamacare covers everybody. Nobody is "exempt". The whole point of the law is to provide people without employer sponsored insurance plans an opportunity to buy insurance at reasonable rates.
Members of Congress, the Senate and government employees like you already have medical insurance. There is no reason for you or anybody else who already has insurance and are happy with it to need Obamacare. It does not apply to you, but to say that you or your fellow government employees in Congress are "exempt" is incorrect.
Nobody??? Really???
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20...

"Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., who was a key negotiator on the Senate bill, supports the religious exemption, said a spokesman, Maxwell Young, who called the provision a "no brainer."
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#23 Sep 27, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody??? Really???
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20...
"Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., who was a key negotiator on the Senate bill, supports the religious exemption, said a spokesman, Maxwell Young, who called the provision a "no brainer."
That's pretty lame. How many Amish people are serving in Congress?

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#24 Sep 27, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
That's pretty lame. How many Amish people are serving in Congress?
It's an exemption, isn't it? I thought that you said thst NOBODY was exempt.

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Since: Apr 11

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#25 Sep 27, 2013
s/b: that
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#26 Sep 27, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>It's an exemption, isn't it? I thought that you said thst NOBODY was exempt.
You're not even trying. An uninformed poster said that Congress and the Senate were exempt. I explained in simple enough terms that even a child could understand that this is not the case.

You counter with a stupid example of a mythical Amish congressman. Congratulations. Maybe you can explain what other provisions have been put in place for the benefit of Amish Congressmen. Are they lighting the Capitol with candles these days? Do they now conduct business using the Pennsylvania Dutch language? Where do they park their buggies?

spOko

Oakland, CA

#27 Sep 27, 2013
Like in all third-world countries, the quality and amount of healthcare one receives in America is dependant upon what one can afford. Obamacare is designed for those that do not have health insurance not for those who already have it! Imagine how awesome the roll-out of Obamacare would be if Ted Cruz and the right-wing opposition groups spent the amount of time and resources on improving the law or helping the transition instead of their ostentatious grandstanding! The Center for American Progress, a Washington think tank, released an updated Families USA analysis and concluded that the average American family with insurance pays $1,100 more in premiums than it would if universal health care existed in our country.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#29 Sep 28, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
So you're hoping for the destruction of the USA? You're no American.
If Congress doesn't offer a debt increase, that won't destroy the USA. The President will just be forced to budget what he has and live within his means. A dose of good medicine.

The government isn't broke, we're just overextended. You've got to tighten the budget somewhere and more responsibly than Obama's managed the sequester. There's been debt limit shutdowns before; it's the beginning of the budget battles, not the end of our government.

Senator Cruz tried but the Republican Party isn't conservative enough to risk a shutdown. The House must lead the way.
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#30 Sep 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If Congress doesn't offer a debt increase, that won't destroy the USA. The President will just be forced to budget what he has and live within his means. A dose of good medicine.
The government isn't broke, we're just overextended. You've got to tighten the budget somewhere and more responsibly than Obama's managed the sequester. There's been debt limit shutdowns before; it's the beginning of the budget battles, not the end of our government.
Senator Cruz tried but the Republican Party isn't conservative enough to risk a shutdown. The House must lead the way.
you're right there have been shutdowns before and we survived them will survive this one too if it comes to that.
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#31 Sep 28, 2013
plus the dictator PROMISED... NO RAISING OF TAXES, and what happened? after it is now law, now he says "we did raise taxes" DOES HE EVER KEEP HIS WORD? can anyone take him seriously? DOES HE CARE? NO, HE CARES NOT! JUST WANTS TO DESTROY US.
freebird

Long Beach, CA

#32 Sep 28, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Teddy you are full of surprises. I did not expect you to be in favor of Obamacare.
Yes it is ridiculous that millions of people have no option other then to go to the emergency room for minor problems. Unfortunately they have no choice. As you know when you call a doctor the first question they ask is about if you have insurance. If somebody has a pre-existing condition and can not buy insurance they will either be turned away by the doctor or they will be charged a higher rate then people with insurance. Thank goodness this is no longer an issue.
You make light of minor ailments, but of course you understand that all catastrophic illnesses start as minor issues.
Actually, I have no insurance and I go to the doctor who charges me $45.00 per visit.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#33 Sep 28, 2013
freebird wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I have no insurance and I go to the doctor who charges me $45.00 per visit.
I had an old school doctor. He wouldn't accept insurance other than fill out paper work for you to get reimbursed. He charged $40-$75 a visit. I had the free plan at work which included you racking up 750$ in medical bills before it kicked in. Or I could pay 50-100 dollars a month and get free or low copay office visits. The average person might see a dr 2-3 times without a pre existing condition. That's $220 and maybe some prescriptions. Yet for some reason many liked to boast "All I have to do is show him my card and I don't pay anything"-but they did- at least $600-$1200 a year. But there's something about throwing the id card and getting "free" service.

Several things-INSURANCE causes inflation ie someone else is paying for it. The patient doesn't have to pay the doctor so they don't think of or realize the true cost of the service. Same for the doctors, they are billing an insurance company(and patient in the end). The doctors set their rates on what an INSURANCE company pays and not the individual.

I say doctors but too many other entities have gotten in on the INSURANCE game over the years including gyms-shouldn't routine maintenance of the body be on the individual. This is one of the things that spiraled health INSURANCE out of control-the patient demands or expects too much from what should be 'a' catastrophic event product.

INSURANCE is nothing but a form of payment. The providers and patients wind up using and abusing that insurance money every year.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#34 Sep 28, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
I had an old school doctor. He wouldn't accept insurance other than fill out paper work for you to get reimbursed. He charged $40-$75 a visit. I had the free plan at work which included you racking up 750$ in medical bills before it kicked in. Or I could pay 50-100 dollars a month and get free or low copay office visits. The average person might see a dr 2-3 times without a pre existing condition. That's $220 and maybe some prescriptions. Yet for some reason many liked to boast "All I have to do is show him my card and I don't pay anything"-but they did- at least $600-$1200 a year. But there's something about throwing the id card and getting "free" service.
Several things-INSURANCE causes inflation ie someone else is paying for it. The patient doesn't have to pay the doctor so they don't think of or realize the true cost of the service. Same for the doctors, they are billing an insurance company(and patient in the end). The doctors set their rates on what an INSURANCE company pays and not the individual.
I say doctors but too many other entities have gotten in on the INSURANCE game over the years including gyms-shouldn't routine maintenance of the body be on the individual. This is one of the things that spiraled health INSURANCE out of control-the patient demands or expects too much from what should be 'a' catastrophic event product.
INSURANCE is nothing but a form of payment. The providers and patients wind up using and abusing that insurance money every year.
Clearly you have problems understanding the concept of insurance - ye moron!
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#35 Sep 28, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly you have problems understanding the concept of insurance - ye moron!
The concept of INSURANCE is to help pay for A catastrophic event. INSURANCE is like a bet. The INSURANCE company is betting you won't cash in or use it. The customer is betting they will have an event/need. In the case of medical INSURANCE that used to be a major procedure or hospitalization. Now INSURANCE is being used as a service plan for non catastrophic events & routine maintenance.

If you want minor medical events or routine maintenance taken care then ask for an actual service plan.

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Since: Dec 08

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#36 Sep 29, 2013
Congress is giving the people the same waiver President Obama gave his business lobby cronies. If Obamacare is so good, why doesn't the Congress want it?
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#37 Sep 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Congress is giving the people the same waiver President Obama gave his business lobby cronies. If Obamacare is so good, why doesn't the Congress want it?
Why haven't the teabagging cons employed a group opt-out of their current plan, in protest, and show their first sign of leadership (cough) and empathy?

tcrickets..........

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Brenda besson

United States

#38 Sep 29, 2013
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti wrote:
plus the dictator PROMISED... NO RAISING OF TAXES, and what happened? after it is now law, now he says "we did raise taxes" DOES HE EVER KEEP HIS WORD? can anyone take him seriously? DOES HE CARE? NO, HE CARES NOT! JUST WANTS TO DESTROY US.
so true liar liar liar he is.
Brenda besson

United States

#39 Sep 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Congress is giving the people the same waiver President Obama gave his business lobby cronies. If Obamacare is so good, why doesn't the Congress want it?
not good it sucks,he knows he wrote it,plus it covers illegals who never worked or payed into anything.no one wants it lol yet no again to obama.love ted cruz and mike lee,americans.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#40 Sep 29, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
The concept of INSURANCE is to help pay for A catastrophic event. INSURANCE is like a bet. The INSURANCE company is betting you won't cash in or use it. The customer is betting they will have an event/need. In the case of medical INSURANCE that used to be a major procedure or hospitalization. Now INSURANCE is being used as a service plan for non catastrophic events & routine maintenance.
If you want minor medical events or routine maintenance taken care then ask for an actual service plan.
How many times have gone to the ER for your "none catastrophic" medical problems - ye moron!
spOko

Oakland, CA

#41 Sep 29, 2013
Here in California, we’re not just gluten-free, we’re also tea party-free! Yes, we can live in reality. California’s economy is surging ahead, thanks to the efforts of veteran Gov. Jerry Brown (D). California is going to drag the rest of the country kicking and screaming into the present. Conservative troglodytes, who love to brag about American exceptionalism, look no further but here to California. While right-wingers have been taking over States like N. Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin. California is creating the kind of modern, liberal nation the country as a whole can only dream about, not only can’t the rest of the country stop us, we will drag you with us. In 2010 when many other states, falling for the right-wing fantasy-lies, were electing tea party Republicans to office, California elected Jerry Brown. Without a Republican governor or state legislator blocking any and all efforts at reform, the state was able to raise taxes (imagine that) and reorganize spending and turn its massive deficit into a budget surplus.

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