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Groups take sides on changing the living conditions of farm ani...

There are 59 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Oct 6, 2008, titled Groups take sides on changing the living conditions of farm ani.... In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

The chickens are coming home to roost, say backers of a state proposition aimed at changing living conditions for egg-laying hens and other farm animals.

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Trent

Yuba City, CA

#41 Oct 7, 2008
Stay in Chico Son wrote:
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Where did you get 1000?? It's made up! Like your friends make up all their figures! If you have to lie to prove your point, it's a pretty weak point Chico Boy.
So let me get this straight, you approve of this?
http://www.marinhumanesociety.org/HelpAnimals...
No I have websites to back up what I've said.

NO ON PROP 2!
Stay in Chico Son

San Mateo, CA

#42 Oct 7, 2008
That's laughable Chico Boy.. Here's a Short list of who supports this.. Get back on the farm, your Daddy needs you.. I had to erase TONS of names, I could only use 4000 characters..
Apollo Olive Oil Co (Oregon House)
The Apple Farm (Philo)
Bantam Acres Farm (Penngrove)
Black Sheep Farm (Potter Valley)
Blackberry Farm (Bolinas)
Bluebird Farm (Nevada City)
Bob and Barbara Diebert Farms (Madera)
Bodega & Yerba Santa Goat Dairy (Larkspur)
Blossom Bluff Orchards (Parlier)
Budwood Farms (Fallbrook)
Capay Canyon Ranch (Esparto)
Catalan Family Farm (Hollister)
Center for Urban Agriculture at Fairview Gardens (Goleta)
Chaparral Gardens (Atasradero)
Chileno Valley Ranch (Petaluma)
Crescent Moon Farms (Belchertown, MA)
Clark Vineyards (Fresno)
Cow Track Ranch (Nicasio)
Crescent Valley Ranch (Somis)
Crooked Branch Ranch (Jamul)
Cruz-ess Avocado Farm (Morrobay)
Dervaes Gardens (Pasadena)
Dobson Dairy Ranch (Petaluma)
Lunny Ranch (Inverness)
Eatwell Farms (Dixon)
Family Farm Defenders
Farm Forward
Favre's Farm (Watsonville)
First Fruits of the Vineyard (Fresno)
Flores Farm (Yuba City)
F & G Farm (Kelseyville)
Freya's Garden (Fieldbrook)
Heritage Foods, USA (New York)
G&S Farms (Brentwood)
G Bar B Ranch (Half Moon Bay)
GreenLeaf (San Francisco)
Greenwood Groves (Fallbrook)
Hamburg Creek Ranch, LLC (Reno, NV)
Healthy Heart Farms (San Miguel)
Hellsbend Ranch (Lakeport)
In Harmony Herbs & Spices (San Diego)
International Harvesters (Bolinas)
Kaz Farms (Napa)
Fred Kirschenmann, President of Kirschenmann Family Farms, Inc.
Koda Farms (S. Dos Palos)
LaFamilia Ranch (San Luis Obispo)
Lakeport Farms (Lake County)
Lagier Ranch (Escalon)
Le Fort's Organic Crops (Creston)
Lindner Bison (Valencia)
Linscheid Farms (Fresno)
Loma Rica Organic Farm (Grass Valley)
M&M Peach (Lake Hughes)
Malibu Organic Family Farms (Malibu)
Manoir Girard Cellars (Potter Valley)
Manzanita Manor (Paso Robles)
Mariam Farms (Fresno)
Massa Organics (Paradise)
McGrath Family Farms (Camarillo)
Mendocino Lavender Company (Redwood Valley)
Middleton Farm (Healdsburg)
Moen Ranch (Santa Rosa)
Moon Mountain Enterprises (Gualala)
Mountain View Organics (Grenada)
Mt. Barnabe Farm (Lagunitas)
Makashima Farm (Livingston)
Martinez Ranch (Terra Bella)
Mike Nademlynsky (Valley Center)
Nana Mae's Organics (Sebastopol)
The Nicasio Native Grass Ranch (Nicasio)
Bill Niman, California Cattle Rancher (Bolinas)
Oakland Based Urban Gardens (Oakland)
Oldani Family Farm (Brooks)
Orange Perfection (Orland)
Opportunity Knocks Farm (Ramona)
Orchard Farms (Sebastopol)
Pacifica Organic Market Garden (Santa Barbara)
Palo Alto Vineyard Mgmt., LLC (Kenwood)
Pan O'Rama Farms (San Diego)
Panacea Ranch Organic Rancher (Rainbow)
Pato's Dream Date Gardens (Thermal)
P.B.M. Farms (Dorris)
Peaceful Valley Farm & Garden Supply (Grass Valley)
Peden Nut Farm (Templeton)
Prather Ranch (Mt. Shasta)
Prather Ranch Meat Company (San Francisco)
The Produce Exchange (Livermore)
Purple Pastures Lavender Farm, Inc.(Salinas)
Pyramid Farms (Chico)
Quail Oaks Ranch (Dixon)
Jack Radavero (Linden)
Rancho Packing Co.(Thermal)
Rincon Creek Farm (Santa Barbara)
Salaal Vineyards (Edna Valley)
Schultz Grove (Poway)
Seabreeze Organic Farm (San Diego)
Seashore Fruit & Produce - West, Inc.(Los Angeles)
Serendipity Farms (Monterey)
Simmons Grove Management (Valley Center)
Sugar Sweet Farm (Encinitas)
Suncoast Organic Farm (Hollister)
TLC Ranch (Aromas)
Time & Thyme Again Herb Farm (Grass Valley)
Twin Peaks Orchard (Newcastle)
US Farms, Inc.(San Diego)
Valley End Farm (Santa Rosa)
Weiser Family Farms (Tehachapi)
Wellington Vineyards (Glen Ellen)
Wind Dance Farm (San Luis Obispo)
Yori Almonds (Ceres)
4PreciousPaws.com
A Scent of Scandal
Acme Scenery Co.
Advanced People Solutions
Africa By Design
African Hair Comb Co.
AG Artwear, Inc.
Airport Pet Cottages and Spa
All About Animals
All In One Leasing
Trent

Yuba City, CA

#43 Oct 7, 2008
Stay in Chico Son wrote:
That's laughable Chico Boy.. Here's a Short list of who supports this.. Get back on the farm, your Daddy needs you.. I had to erase TONS of names, I could only use 4000 characters..
Apollo Olive Oil Co (Oregon House)
The Apple Farm (Philo)
Bantam Acres Farm (Penngrove)
(Valley Center)
Nana Mae's Organics (Sebastopol)
The Nicasio Native Grass Ranch (Nicasio)
Bill Niman, California Cattle Rancher (Bolinas)
Oakland Based Urban Gardens (Oakland)
Oldani Family Farm (Brooks)
Orange Perfection (Orland)
Opportunity Knocks Farm (Ramona)
Orchard Farms (Sebastopol)
Pacifica Organic Market Garden (Santa Barbara)
Palo Alto Vineyard Mgmt., LLC (Kenwood)
Pan O'Rama Farms (San Diego)
Panacea Ranch Organic Rancher (Rainbow)
Pato's Dream Date Gardens (Thermal)
P.B.M. Farms (Dorris)
Peaceful Valley Farm & Garden Supply (Grass Valley)
Peden Nut Farm (Templeton)
Prather Ranch (Mt. Shasta)
Prather Ranch Meat Company (San Francisco)
The Produce Exchange (Livermore)
Purple Pastures Lavender Farm, Inc.(Salinas)
Pyramid Farms (Chico)
Quail Oaks Ranch (Dixon)
Jack Radavero (Linden)
Rancho Packing Co.(Thermal)
Rincon Creek Farm (Santa Barbara)
Salaal Vineyards (Edna Valley)
Schultz Grove (Poway)
Seabreeze Organic Farm (San Diego)
Seashore Fruit & Produce - West, Inc.(Los Angeles)
Serendipity Farms (Monterey)
Simmons Grove Management (Valley Center)
Sugar Sweet Farm (Encinitas)
Suncoast Organic Farm (Hollister)
TLC Ranch (Aromas)
Time & Thyme Again Herb Farm (Grass Valley)
Twin Peaks Orchard (Newcastle)
US Farms, Inc.(San Diego)
Valley End Farm (Santa Rosa)
Weiser Family Farms (Tehachapi)
Wellington Vineyards (Glen Ellen)
Wind Dance Farm (San Luis Obispo)
Yori Almonds (Ceres)
4PreciousPaws.com
A Scent of Scandal
Acme Scenery Co.
Advanced People Solutions
Africa By Design
African Hair Comb Co.
AG Artwear, Inc.
Airport Pet Cottages and Spa
All About Animals
All In One Leasing
Get over yourself there are just as many who support prop 2 as there are who oppose it. You should not be telling me how to run my business itÂ’s regulated enough by the government. You as a consumer have a choice to buy natural, organic and free-range animal products. I strongly feel voters should not be telling growers how to raise their animals. Farmers are trying to feed the world the cheapest, healthiest food there is and how they do it should not matter. Be grateful you have a farmer like me feeding your misinformed bodies.
Stay in Chico Son

San Mateo, CA

#44 Oct 7, 2008
If you don't abuse "your" animals, you have nothing to worry about.. We'll see what happens 4 weeks from today, I'm almost positive change, for the better, is coming..
Kadia

Sacramento, CA

#45 Oct 7, 2008
Prop 2 is, quite simply, the right thing to do. It is the LEAST that the animals we use for food deserve,

The industrialized egg industry has become consistently worse in terms of animal welfare. Voluntary standards and attempts to pass legislation have not worked. That's why voters must stand up to fight animal abuse directly.

There is clear evidence that Prop 2's standards will benefit animal welfare, food safety, and the environment, as well as evidence that coverting to the new standards need not be costly.(An CA egg industry economist estimated it would cost about 1 penny per egg to go cage free.) Since many of the producers opposing Prop 2 already have cage free operations, and since we already import nearly half of our eggs, the claims of catastrophe ring false.

Prop 2 is endorsed by veterinarians, the Center for Food Safety, the Pew Commission on Industrial Agriculture, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, the Sierra Club, family farmers, religious leaders, and more.

Learn the truth--and the myths--at YesonProp2.org .
vote NO

Concord, CA

#46 Oct 8, 2008
Cal Man wrote:
Concord man, which Farmer's Market do you attend if you don't mind me asking? I'd love to meet you and see your farm, to learn more and all. I live in American Canyon and don't know of any pig/chicken farms in the area.
Anyway, I'd love to know more and see your farm if you would be so kind..
Scott
[email protected]
You assumed three things. One, that our farm is in Vallejo/American Canyon and I said Solano. Our farm is in Pleasant Valley.

Second Assumption is that I raise Chickens and Hogs for a living. As I said we have hogs and Chickens but do not raise them for a living. We have about 10 chickens (depend on the Coyote's and how many they kill) and 2 hogs. The hogs and Chickens are for our own conusmption. We raise field crops which changes depending on the market and what we plant.

Third assumption is that we sell at farmers markets. Here again we do not sell to the farmers market. We find this to be misleading marketing. If you do your research and ask the vendors where there farms are located you will not find that all are so local. Our profits would not cover the fee's we would pay. You will also find out that the farmers have to contract for an entire season usually with PCFMA one of the larger farmers market operators in the area out of Concord. For us we havest only one or two crops for any given season (hardley enough for an entire season contract with a farmers market). We do demo our products at special events where often the buyers mentioned cost. As for Farms in your area of the county, I think you need to do more research to where the farms are in your area. I recall there was one or two hogs from Vallejo shown at Dixon May fair last year. Where these were raised I simply do not know. I always enjoy those who know more about what I do and what is the best way for me to do it, but simply do not pony up and make my pockets deeper for the cost burdon they recomend. VOTE NO on prop 2

“Judge Much?”

Since: Apr 08

Vallejo

#47 Oct 8, 2008
The sight of a live cow being run over and torn apart by a front loader was enough to decide my vote.

Besides, I had free range chickens for a while, and the egg yolks are almost orange, they taste better, and the chickens ate the weeds in my lawn, it was cool.
Dont Judge

San Mateo, CA

#48 Oct 8, 2008
I agree, seeing that poor cow treated like it was made me very upset, not sure how anyone could vote no on this modest measure. Why not treat these creatures with a little more respect, they give so much to us, their lives..

To me, voting no is voting for more cruelty, saving a few pennies is not going to put farmers out of business, it's simply a scare tactic by corporate agribusiness..

Yes on Prop 2!!
Dont Judge

San Mateo, CA

#49 Oct 8, 2008
Some good news from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_2#Fi...

Results of a more recent poll were quite similar to the first. A 9/25/08 SurveyUSA poll of likely California voters who have either decided or are leaning towards voting a certain way on Prop 2 gave the following results: "72% Yes, 10% No, 17% still not certain. Support for the proposition is strong among all demographic groups and in all regions of the state."
right wingnut

Montgomery, AL

#50 Oct 8, 2008
Dont Judge wrote:
Some good news from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_2#Fi...
Results of a more recent poll were quite similar to the first. A 9/25/08 SurveyUSA poll of likely California voters who have either decided or are leaning towards voting a certain way on Prop 2 gave the following results: "72% Yes, 10% No, 17% still not certain. Support for the proposition is strong among all demographic groups and in all regions of the state."
good news for once, i think most people have a sense of decency...
Dont Judge

San Mateo, CA

#51 Oct 8, 2008
right wingnut wrote:
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good news for once, i think most people have a sense of decency...
They do my Friend, they do.. I just can't get over why a few of these small time farmers are so against it, seems like it would benefit the smaller farmer, and affect the larger "farmers" who treat these poor animals like machines..

Anyway, Prop 2 is going to pass, Nov. 4th will be a day to celebrate, for everyone..
right wingnut

Montgomery, AL

#52 Oct 8, 2008
Dont Judge wrote:
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They do my Friend, they do.. I just can't get over why a few of these small time farmers are so against it, seems like it would benefit the smaller farmer, and affect the larger "farmers" who treat these poor animals like machines..
Anyway, Prop 2 is going to pass, Nov. 4th will be a day to celebrate, for everyone..
i just hope that it is enforced...
M Lucero

Emeryville, CA

#53 Oct 28, 2008
vote NO wrote:
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raising animials takes more than a few pennies. Try a few thousands plus a few thousand more. I like to think my animals health is important because the health is what yields better returns. Being a farmer doesnt mean I have to spell correctly either.
Studies conducted by researchers for the No on Prop 2 campaign agree that it will only cost a penny per egg to produce eggs with out battery cages. This was a UC Davis study conduct by the No on Prop 2 campaign.
AU-Los Angeles Ca

Norwalk, CA

#54 Oct 28, 2008
Seriously, vote NO on prop 2.
A passage of this prop 2 will close businesses and where do you think our dairy food supply will be coming from. It will be coming from places we don't even have any control of how they raise their animals.
All we have to do is to make sure that the rules and regulations of raising animals are strictly enforced.
No on Prop 2

“your worst enemy”

Since: Oct 08

cow paddy

#55 Oct 28, 2008
AU-Los Angeles Ca wrote:
Seriously, vote NO on prop 2.
A passage of this prop 2 will close businesses and where do you think our dairy food supply will be coming from. It will be coming from places we don't even have any control of how they raise their animals.
All we have to do is to make sure that the rules and regulations of raising animals are strictly enforced.
No on Prop 2
seriously, you really don't care where your eggs come from as long as you get them? so why does is matter where our clothes come from if they are made by slave labor? why does it matter where all of the cheap, leaded, crap we buy from china is made? is this also consistent with your views or do you not also buy these items?
AU-Los Angeles Ca

Norwalk, CA

#56 Oct 28, 2008
right wingnut wrote:
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seriously, you really don't care where your eggs come from as long as you get them? so why does is matter where our clothes come from if they are made by slave labor? why does it matter where all of the cheap, leaded, crap we buy from china is made? is this also consistent with your views or do you not also buy these items?
Your YES vote will extend dairy products to also be coming from CHINA. Good grief!! You are the consumer, you control things that you buy.
Vote No for Prop2!!

“your worst enemy”

Since: Oct 08

cow paddy

#57 Oct 28, 2008
AU-Los Angeles Ca wrote:
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Your YES vote will extend dairy products to also be coming from CHINA. Good grief!! You are the consumer, you control things that you buy.
Vote No for Prop2!!
yes well, i also happen to have morals and values, and torturing animals does not happen to be one.
AU-Los Angeles Ca

Norwalk, CA

#58 Oct 28, 2008
right wingnut wrote:
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yes well, i also happen to have morals and values, and torturing animals does not happen to be one.
You vote yes and this will be a good reason for the business to go somewhere and your dairy products will be coming from other places in which you don't know in what condition the farms are.
Good for you, for having morals and values and that torturing animals is not one of them. Don't you think that eating meat is a form of torture in your book? Ah, farm animals...You grow them, slaughter them, cook them and eat them.
Vote No on Prop 2!!

“your worst enemy”

Since: Oct 08

cow paddy

#59 Oct 28, 2008
AU-Los Angeles Ca wrote:
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You vote yes and this will be a good reason for the business to go somewhere and your dairy products will be coming from other places in which you don't know in what condition the farms are.
Good for you, for having morals and values and that torturing animals is not one of them. Don't you think that eating meat is a form of torture in your book? Ah, farm animals...You grow them, slaughter them, cook them and eat them.
Vote No on Prop 2!!
i'm a right wing vegetarian...and no leather shoes either...nice try, i stand by what i speak.

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