Stalled Highway 39 project frustrates...

Stalled Highway 39 project frustrates Crystal Lake Campground busin...

There are 29 comments on the San Gabriel Valley Tribune story from Sep 19, 2010, titled Stalled Highway 39 project frustrates Crystal Lake Campground busin.... In it, San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports that:

Adam Samrah and his two-year-old son A.J. come out of the 1934 Crystal Lake Snack Bar Trading Post that he owns adjacent to Crystal Lake Campground in the Angeles National Forest, Wednesday, September 15, 2010.

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Marine Recon

Monrovia, CA

#1 Sep 19, 2010
You know this is typical Cal Trans Red tape BS. This highway needs to be reopened and the people in charge need to pull there head out of the butts. 8 years is a long time to play God.
This is a disservice to the state of Ca. Residents. Open the Road Bickers, Hikers, campers,
tourists and out of towners all need to explore and expand are recreation activites in the San Gaberial Areas. Unless, this is a racist thing. All other surronding area's like Santa Monica Mnts and Rocky Point and Stony Point are Open.
This is some trick and someone calling all the shots. The Road must be and will Opened. We the people and Petion this and write to the Suprem Court in Washington DC. This will start the Ball rolling and Shake roll some heads !
WTF you saying

Bothell, WA

#2 Sep 19, 2010
Dude if you were in the Marines and your grammar is that bad our country is in trouble!
ssj

Covina, CA

#3 Sep 19, 2010
It all falls on Caltrans incompetence on managing a project they do not care more time for them to SLEEP in there trucks as I see it every day. They would rather delay the job.
Joe moma

Ontario, CA

#4 Sep 19, 2010
ssj wrote:
It all falls on Caltrans incompetence on managing a project they do not care more time for them to SLEEP in there trucks as I see it every day. They would rather delay the job.
You forgot about smoking joints and drinking beers.....they have it so hard......They took that money fo rother projects.....like more trips for Ahnold...... Eff himm too !
All Burned Up

Lytle Creek, CA

#5 Sep 19, 2010
I know Adam and his family. He has invested his lifes savings based on promises that Caltrans has failed to keep. He is a simple man that wants to provide a service to canyon visitors. I hope he can hold on until the road is open.

What news story failed to discuss it that he was a chef and really knows how to cook. When the road is finally opened to Crystal Lake and Adam's store, I hope is garlic chicken in on the menu.

“The Ravaged Canyon City”

Since: Feb 10

Azusa

#6 Sep 19, 2010
I agree. Let's get this damned road open as soon as possible. Excuses are a dime a dozen.
Azusa Resident

Baldwin Park, CA

#7 Sep 20, 2010
Another 4-5 yrs before it opens. Great! I hope that Adam can hold on long enough, but it doesn't seem so based on the article. I recall reading articles in this paper over the past 1-2 yrs detailing $100 million in bonds for repair of the road. I would love to see the 39 open all the way to the 2. Why not hire some of the unemployed and put them to work on the repairs? A win-win situation.
Never Happen

Glendora, CA

#8 Sep 20, 2010
I feel sorry for Mr. Samrah. The road to Crystal Lake will likely never reopen. Every year or so there is another article about opening Hwy 39. Caltrans spends millions on studying the problem and nothing happens. Its a joke.
Anonymous

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Sep 20, 2010
What the point of opeining the road, ur just get a bunch of drunken illeal alien, throwing their beer cans & diapers on the camp sites, gangster doing drugs, & acting crazy, obnoxious ignorants, with loud music, destroying the forest, and no respect for the wild animals. Oh yeah this is LA county,
watch out ur store statically will probably get rob.
lost hiker

Midway City, CA

#10 Sep 20, 2010
You can see that the County can care less about this road. Lee says it as he states " There are other more traveled roads that need repair". They have a "close everything" management style, and they still get paid. WTF. Every thing has been closed but the east fork, what are they managing, a 6 pack?
citizen

Whittier, CA

#11 Sep 20, 2010
bzguy wrote:
What the point of opeining the road, ur just get a bunch of drunken illeal alien, throwing their beer cans & diapers on the camp sites, gangster doing drugs, & acting crazy, obnoxious ignorants, with loud music, destroying the forest, and no respect for the wild animals. Oh yeah this is LA county,
watch out ur store statically will probably get rob.
Crystal Lake charged 5 dollars to get in and locks the gate at night. I use to go there when I was 13, now I'm 23. I've been waiting a long time for this place to reopen. All Crystal Lake has to do is raise the admissions fee to ten dollars and no illegal or gang banger will go in. Everyone going to west fork and east fork is for one reason, water. That is the beach for some people. I remember when my mom and I would take a drive up to Crystal lake on a Saturday. West Fork was always packed, people blocking the road but as soon as you got to 5000 feet no one is up there. I want highway 39 to reopen because I want to unearth my backpack bug out bag, I buried it there before Y2K 2000 for SHTF, I forgot what I put in it, I want to see if it survived, should have, it was buried, high ground, I can see who is coming up for 2 miles on the curving road. Everything was encased in plastic and silicon and cosmoline to keep from moisture and rust. I remember the hunting, really hunting. IF YOU CAMP AT CRYSTAL LAKE THE BEAR POPULATION HAS EXPLODED, A WARNING. I remember when people use to camp with shotguns at Crystal lake in 2000, the bears walk by the sides of the tents, mother and cubs. Watch your small children. I remember a mountain lion I seen hiking up there to, it was chasing after a deer, awesome sight.
Pedro

Long Beach, CA

#12 Sep 20, 2010
Leave it closed.Our marijuana fields need to be cultivated and transported down the hill behind the closed off highway.Thank god there are no police in the mountains at night.That you Larry and Paul.
626guy

Glendora, CA

#13 Sep 20, 2010
i agree with bz guy... and when the gate is locked all someone has to do is put a peice of wood on the spike strips and drive over them... crystal lake hunting is probably one of the best not known areas in so cal... i hiked up to the crystal lake road 2 years ago and saw tons of bears walking the roads no fear of anyone so yeah watch out IF the road is EVER re-opened probably wont which is a shame

Since: Jan 09

Duarte, CA

#14 Sep 20, 2010
bzguy wrote:
What the point of opeining the road, ur just get a bunch of drunken illeal alien, throwing their beer cans & diapers on the camp sites, gangster doing drugs, & acting crazy, obnoxious ignorants, with loud music, destroying the forest, and no respect for the wild animals. Oh yeah this is LA county,
watch out ur store statically will probably get rob.
I understand your point.

Unfortunately, we deal with third world enclaves here who come from places where trashing one's own natural trasures is common place.

It could not be a free for all up there. People would need to be required to make reservations to camp in advance and pull camp fire permits to camp up there. I would even make it mandatory to take vehicle plate information. It could not be allowed to morph into a third world hell hole full of gang scum and trash like the East Fork recreation areas.
the skinny

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#15 Sep 20, 2010
$10.0 million to Crystal Lake and $32.0 million to fix old upper highway 39... just isn't worth it. There is a reason why Big Bear Lake and Arrowhead road are repaired, they are needed, and the cost per vehicle that uses those roads is quite low. Sorry, but that what 2 acre lake? isn't worth in. Give the man his $200K back and call it a day. The taxpayers will thank you for it.
Mac

Azusa, CA

#16 Sep 20, 2010
But nothing we can do is going to help the poor guy who spent his money and sat back and waited while being strung along from one year to the next. If CalTrans didn't have any interest in getting the road open anytime soon, the least they could do was be honest about it.
john thurman

Palo Cedro, CA

#17 Sep 20, 2010
doesnt suprise me one single bit. on the other end of the state, in my area, which is mcarthur, 75 miles above redding on state route 299 east, caltrans has been unneeded and unnecessary work on the highway now for 5 straight years. how do i know its unneeded work? one day about 2 years ago, i went thru early in the morning and i was the only one at the flagman. i asked him about the work, and you know what he told me? "well, we do som much work on highway 299 because its OUT OF THE WAY, generally away from alot of people, and if we dont spend our budget money for the year, we wont getthe same or more for next year"...his exact words. they do silly stuff like have 20+ guys working on a crew, flagging traffic, keeping the highway down to a single lane with a pilot car, while they have one scraper scraping the dirt out of the ditchline and another scraper not 40ft behind scraping the dirt the one scaper took out right back into the ditch. i travel highway 299 east on a daily basis, so i see this sort of stuff often. they also d stuff like gouge out big sections of perfectly good blacktop, and then fill it in with new blacktop when there wasnt anything wrong with the first blacktop, not even a crack. all one has to do is drive up highway 299 east in northern california towards alturas to see whats going on. californias supposed to be in such a tizzy over the budget all the time, but yet, they cant fix one sec tion of road and spend millions on stuff that doesnt need repaired. go figure.
Sane

United States

#18 Sep 20, 2010
I remember being able to shoot at almost every turnout along Azusa Canyon. Mexicans ruined this along with the rest of the the area's features.
TooSmoggy

United States

#19 Sep 20, 2010
The governments foot dragging and the broke state of California have caused this mess.We the taxpayers pay for roads and they should not have been closed down this long.Cal Trans is not efficient and their workers are known to drag projects out to milk the system.The campsite was built and gold plated with no way to reach it.CalTrans is being run by idiots.That is the American way of life.I sympathize with this business owner more than he knows.
Fredric L Rice

Calabasas, CA

#20 Sep 20, 2010
All Burned Up wrote:
What news story failed to discuss it that he was a chef and really knows how to cook. When the road is finally opened to Crystal Lake and Adam's store, I hope is garlic chicken in on the menu.
Adam says that he may open up the kitchen for people on bicycle and on foot since his last inspection certified him for opening the shop, and if he does I expect him to sell cool avocado and lettuce sandwiches and some of that cherry-blossom lemonade he's famous for.
It takes me anywhere from 5 to 9 hours to hike and bicycle up to there and it would be awesome to have a cool meal and iced lemonade when I get there are exhausted and hot, a chance to sit in his patio shade and cool off before the much faster ride back down the mountain.
Anyone who wants to see the condition of the campgrounds and the Recreation Area, check out http://www.crystallake.name/ and you can get on the automatic mailing list for alerts such as when the highway finally re-opens.

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