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Supreme Court urged to support gay marriage limits

There are 287 comments on the WTAX-AM Springfield story from Jan 22, 2013, titled Supreme Court urged to support gay marriage limits. In it, WTAX-AM Springfield reports that:

The Supreme Court was urged on Tuesday to uphold the constitutionality of two laws that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, as it prepares to hear arguments in the historic same-sex marriage cases two months from now.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#52 Jan 23, 2013
Jack Hamilton wrote:
Gods word is very clear on this in Leviticus 18:22
and there are real consequences for going against
it.
Jack
I can cherry pick verses too:
Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Romans 2:
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Lev 18:17
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
Lev. 19
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#53 Jan 23, 2013
Jack Hamilton wrote:
Gods word is very clear on this in Leviticus 18:22
and there are real consequences for going against
it.
Jack
Marriage makes it legal

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#54 Jan 23, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
The link isn't working.
I can't agree with the "state's rights" position, not on this issue. Not if we're going to call this a fight for true civil rights. Can the states individually recognize slavery, or limit voting to only men? Aren't the states expected to recognize and honor the legal contracts of other states? We don't allow the states to treat interracial marriage this way. I'm not interested in traveling cross-country with an on-again-off-again marriage, through a patchwork of "friendly" and "enemy" territories.
It was picked up by Reuters. This link works:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/23/us-...
Dawns

Cibolo, TX

#55 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Still can't spell? You've improved quite a lot!
By golly this guy can't take a hint, for hating is for people with hated souls.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#56 Jan 23, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
The state's rights issue doesn't include violating the Federal constitution. That's what people always seem to forget.
But, interestingly enough, new unjust and unconstitutional laws get voted in ever days! Using your examples, if a state decided to vote slavery back in and start buying and selling people at public auction, or they voted to take right to vote away from women, or if their legislature voted that all people with red hair have to pay double taxes, THEY CAN!! There's absolutely nothing but the judicial branch of government to stop them. And, at the state level, those laws, until they are struck down by the courts, could actually be enforced!
Of course, if such bizarre things DID ever get voted in (think the South), some court would undoubtedly issue an emergency injunction against them because they're so obviously unconstitutional.
But that's where our issues become so laborious. While it's plainly and blatantly obvious to US that we're being denied our constitutional rights, it's not so obvious to a lot of the idiots that we have to share the country with. Their ignorance and selfish disregard for others allows them to justify to themselves that we're NOT being denied anything. If we would just live our lives like they want us to, for sure we'd be happy right? Therefore, it's our own fault that we're unhappy, so we don't need those civil rights after all.
At least that's what all their arguments boil down to....
It's about time someone pointed this out. Thank you. No where does the Constitution allow "the state's rights issue [to] include violating the Federal constitution." That's what people always seem to forget.

They also seem to ignore what Amendment 9 says. I too am tired of people claiming my marriage will lead to the destruction of society while at the same time they argue over their "right" to own assault rifles. They want the "right" to own weapons of mass destruction and then blame me for the mess they've made of our society?
Get real. Our token Bible thumper David Moore loves to quote Leviticus. So do many Christian ministers. Yet do we ever hear the religious right voice outrage over people ignoring Lev 19:13?

13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.

“‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.

Have we ever heard 'leaders' like Pat Buchanan or Pat Robertson sermonize over Lev. 19:16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.

“‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord."?

It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS deals with Amendment 9 and this part of the 14th in this issue: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"

I WON'T be surprised if they ignore those parts AGAIN. They have frequently done it in the past.
If they want to quote Leviticus what about: Lev. 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord."?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#57 Jan 23, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
The state's rights issue doesn't include violating the Federal constitution. That's what people always seem to forget.
But, interestingly enough, new unjust and unconstitutional laws get voted in ever days! Using your examples, if a state decided to vote slavery back in and start buying and selling people at public auction, or they voted to take right to vote away from women, or if their legislature voted that all people with red hair have to pay double taxes, THEY CAN!! There's absolutely nothing but the judicial branch of government to stop them. And, at the state level, those laws, until they are struck down by the courts, could actually be enforced!
Of course, if such bizarre things DID ever get voted in (think the South), some court would undoubtedly issue an emergency injunction against them because they're so obviously unconstitutional.
But that's where our issues become so laborious. While it's plainly and blatantly obvious to US that we're being denied our constitutional rights, it's not so obvious to a lot of the idiots that we have to share the country with. Their ignorance and selfish disregard for others allows them to justify to themselves that we're NOT being denied anything. If we would just live our lives like they want us to, for sure we'd be happy right? Therefore, it's our own fault that we're unhappy, so we don't need those civil rights after all.
At least that's what all their arguments boil down to....
I don't think it's so much that they forget that States Rights doesn't mean each State can defy the Constitution. It's just wishful thinking on their part.

I have stopped being amazed at how little people know what is written in our Constitution. The religious conservatives love to push their agenda claiming this nation was founded on Christian values. The don't want people pointing out the part in Article 6 [Legal Status of the Constitution]:

"....The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#58 Jan 24, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>What part of my saying "I have read" did you miss? Typical hater...lazy on comprehension, sloppily educated, quick to jump to conclusions.
Which books? The rainbow handbook handed down from cheapskate lawyers?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#61 Jan 24, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true......the proponents could intervene at the lower district level aka Judge Walker's courtroom......that doesn't mean they had Article 3 standing to appeal to the 9th. Here is a site that might help explain better:
http://americablog.com/2010/08/do-the-prop-8-...
There are specific requirements for a group to move forward and appeal to a higher court......I don't believe that the proponents ever truly had that right.....I believe the CSSC gave them that right to try and protect the initiative process!!!
It is also one of the reasons that the proponents needed to have Imperial County be involved!!!
Youngster, Walker granted them standing to begin with. It's the first ruling on a matter that any Judge makes .... that the people asking to, are in a position to flap their yaps at all.

The SCOTUS could invalidate that and, voila`! No Walker hearing to begin with. All that expert testimony and strict scrutiny and findings of evidentiary fact ... poof! gone! never happened! not available as precedent for anything.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#63 Jan 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Youngster, Walker granted them standing to begin with. It's the first ruling on a matter that any Judge makes .... that the people asking to, are in a position to flap their yaps at all.
The SCOTUS could invalidate that and, voila`! No Walker hearing to begin with. All that expert testimony and strict scrutiny and findings of evidentiary fact ... poof! gone! never happened! not available as precedent for anything.
The people define the constitution: "Of the people, by the people, for the people". Most people were against homosexuality.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#64 Jan 24, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The people define the constitution: "Of the people, by the people, for the people". Most people were against homosexuality.
\

So a correct minority has no protection from an incorrect mob?
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#65 Jan 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>\
So a correct minority has no protection from an incorrect mob?
The people are a mob? Gays are hunted by the world! Everybody who can think straight and have had several years of marriage should see homosexuals are nothing but careless wanderous of the devil!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#66 Jan 24, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The people are a mob? Gays are hunted by the world! Everybody who can think straight and have had several years of marriage should see homosexuals are nothing but careless wanderous of the devil!
A mob is a group run by emotion rather than intellect. Rationlisation is not the same as rational.

Yes, a mob.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#67 Jan 24, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The people define the constitution: "Of the people, by the people, for the people". Most people were against homosexuality.
When that was written women had almost zero rites, black people weren't even thought of as fully human, and many other things long ago changed. I guess in your head we should still be riding horses and buggies and not using electricity.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#68 Jan 24, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The people define the constitution: "Of the people, by the people, for the people". Most people were against homosexuality.
Key word there being "were".

Time's are changing!

News Release

For Immediate Release

June 27, 2007

Groundbreaking New Poll of Republican Base Shows Strong Support for Gay Rights

Nearly 80% of Republicans Support Employment Non-Discrimination Protection for Gays

(Washington, DC)– A groundbreaking new poll released today by leading GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio shows that Republican voters support basic fairness for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation. The poll found, among other things, strong Republican support for employment non-discrimination and allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military.

“This poll shows very encouraging results. It validates what we’ve been saying for a long time. Average Republicans are much more supportive of gay rights than some on the far right would like people to believe,” said Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon.“What is most remarkable is that this is a poll of self-identified Republicans—not independents or Republican-leaning voters. This poll makes it clear that the much talked about “base” of the GOP fundamentally believes in basic fairness for all Americans.”

Among the poll’s findings:

In a remarkable show of unity on a bill that will come up for a vote in the U.S. House this summer, an overwhelming 77% of Republicans believe an employer should not have the right to fire an employee based solely on their sexual orientation. Even among social conservatives, 67% don’t believe an employer should be able to fire someone for being gay.“Republicans in Congress who will vote later this summer on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should take these numbers to heart,” said Sammon.“Rank and file Republicans support this common sense legislation.”

49% of Republicans believe gays and lesbians should be able to serve openly in the U.S. military, while 42% are opposed.

43% of Republicans support either marriage equality or civil unions. 51% oppose all relationship recognition.“There’s much more work to be done educating Republicans about this issue, but we’re encouraged that almost half of Republicans support basic fairness for gay and lesbian families,” said Sammon.

53% of respondents agree that “the Republican Party has spent too much time focusing on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage and should instead be spending time focusing on economic issues such as taxes and government spending.”

When asked “What issue do you think best defines the Republican Party today?” only 5% said “traditional marriage/family values.” 85% selected other issues, including the war on terrorism, immigration, homeland security, national defense, taxes and the economy.

The poll shows sharp disagreement on a range of social issues, however Republicans are united on some core priorities:

78% believe we should balance the federal budget
66% believe the government is too big
80% believe the federal government spends too much
69% believe taxes are too high and only 1% believe they aren’t high enough
The GOP also is united in its support for enforcing existing immigration laws and waging an aggressive war on terror.“Our Party’s agenda should focus on the core principles that unite GOP voters,” said Sammon.“The politics of division is a recipe for defeat.”

The survey of 2,000 self-identified Republican voters was conducted via telephone and online between May 28th and June 3rd 2007.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#69 Jan 24, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The people are a mob? Gays are hunted by the world! Everybody who can think straight and have had several years of marriage should see homosexuals are nothing but careless wanderous of the devil!
Colossians 1:16:
(NIV) For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers- everything has been created through him and for him.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

God created gays and lesbians for His purpose. Maybe you need to also read Job 38

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#70 Jan 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
A mob is a group run by emotion rather than intellect. Rationlisation is not the same as rational.
Yes, a mob.
'Largelanguage' claims to be from the UK. Considering the number of times British soccer fans have turned into raving mobs and been banned in other European countries, I think he's well aware of mob behavior and irrationality.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#71 Jan 24, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>When that was written women had almost zero rites, black people weren't even thought of as fully human, and many other things long ago changed. I guess in your head we should still be riding horses and buggies and not using electricity.
Abraham Lincoln allowed rights! And he didn't allow same sex marriage! And hundreds of years later homosexuals didn't have rights to evils, but humans had rights to good!
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#72 Jan 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Key word there being "were".
Time's are changing!
News Release
For Immediate Release
June 27, 2007
Groundbreaking New Poll of Republican Base Shows Strong Support for Gay Rights
Nearly 80% of Republicans Support Employment Non-Discrimination Protection for Gays
(Washington, DC)– A groundbreaking new poll released today by leading GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio shows that Republican voters support basic fairness for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation. The poll found, among other things, strong Republican support for employment non-discrimination and allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military.
“This poll shows very encouraging results. It validates what we’ve been saying for a long time. Average Republicans are much more supportive of gay rights than some on the far right would like people to believe,” said Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon.“What is most remarkable is that this is a poll of self-identified Republicans—not independents or Republican-leaning voters. This poll makes it clear that the much talked about “base” of the GOP fundamentally believes in basic fairness for all Americans.”
Among the poll’s findings:
In a remarkable show of unity on a bill that will come up for a vote in the U.S. House this summer, an overwhelming 77% of Republicans believe an employer should not have the right to fire an employee based solely on their sexual orientation. Even among social conservatives, 67% don’t believe an employer should be able to fire someone for being gay.“Republicans in Congress who will vote later this summer on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should take these numbers to heart,” said Sammon.“Rank and file Republicans support this common sense legislation.”
49% of Republicans believe gays and lesbians should be able to serve openly in the U.S. military, while 42% are opposed.
43% of Republicans support either marriage equality or civil unions. 51% oppose all relationship recognition.“There’s much more work to be done educating Republicans about this issue, but we’re encouraged that almost half of Republicans support basic fairness for gay and lesbian families,” said Sammon.
53% of respondents agree that “the Republican Party has spent too much time focusing on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage and should instead be spending time focusing on economic issues such as taxes and government spending.”
When asked “What issue do you think best defines the Republican Party today?” only 5% said “traditional marriage/family values.” 85% selected other issues, including the war on terrorism, immigration, homeland security, national defense, taxes and the economy.
The poll shows sharp disagreement on a range of social issues, however Republicans are united on some core priorities:
78% believe we should balance the federal budget
66% believe the government is too big
80% believe the federal government spends too much
69% believe taxes are too high and only 1% believe they aren’t high enough
The GOP also is united in its support for enforcing existing immigration laws and waging an aggressive war on terror.“Our Party’s agenda should focus on the core principles that unite GOP voters,” said Sammon.“The politics of division is a recipe for defeat.”
The survey of 2,000 self-identified Republican voters was conducted via telephone and online between May 28th and June 3rd 2007.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php...
Propaganda without proof! Don't believe you BOY!
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#73 Jan 24, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>When that was written women had almost zero rites, black people weren't even thought of as fully human, and many other things long ago changed. I guess in your head we should still be riding horses and buggies and not using electricity.
Abraham lincoln allowed black people to be humans but didn't allow homosexuals. Years after the constitution gave rights.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#74 Jan 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Key word there being "were".
Time's are changing!
News Release
For Immediate Release
June 27, 2007
Groundbreaking New Poll of Republican Base Shows Strong Support for Gay Rights
Nearly 80% of Republicans Support Employment Non-Discrimination Protection for Gays
(Washington, DC)– A groundbreaking new poll released today by leading GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio shows that Republican voters support basic fairness for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation. The poll found, among other things, strong Republican support for employment non-discrimination and allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military.
“This poll shows very encouraging results. It validates what we’ve been saying for a long time. Average Republicans are much more supportive of gay rights than some on the far right would like people to believe,” said Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon.“What is most remarkable is that this is a poll of self-identified Republicans—not independents or Republican-leaning voters. This poll makes it clear that the much talked about “base” of the GOP fundamentally believes in basic fairness for all Americans.”
Among the poll’s findings:
In a remarkable show of unity on a bill that will come up for a vote in the U.S. House this summer, an overwhelming 77% of Republicans believe an employer should not have the right to fire an employee based solely on their sexual orientation. Even among social conservatives, 67% don’t believe an employer should be able to fire someone for being gay.“Republicans in Congress who will vote later this summer on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should take these numbers to heart,” said Sammon.“Rank and file Republicans support this common sense legislation.”
49% of Republicans believe gays and lesbians should be able to serve openly in the U.S. military, while 42% are opposed.
43% of Republicans support either marriage equality or civil unions. 51% oppose all relationship recognition.“There’s much more work to be done educating Republicans about this issue, but we’re encouraged that almost half of Republicans support basic fairness for gay and lesbian families,” said Sammon.
53% of respondents agree that “the Republican Party has spent too much time focusing on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage and should instead be spending time focusing on economic issues such as taxes and government spending.”
When asked “What issue do you think best defines the Republican Party today?” only 5% said “traditional marriage/family values.” 85% selected other issues, including the war on terrorism, immigration, homeland security, national defense, taxes and the economy.
The poll shows sharp disagreement on a range of social issues, however Republicans are united on some core priorities:
78% believe we should balance the federal budget
66% believe the government is too big
80% believe the federal government spends too much
69% believe taxes are too high and only 1% believe they aren’t high enough
The GOP also is united in its support for enforcing existing immigration laws and waging an aggressive war on terror.“Our Party’s agenda should focus on the core principles that unite GOP voters,” said Sammon.“The politics of division is a recipe for defeat.”
The survey of 2,000 self-identified Republican voters was conducted via telephone and online between May 28th and June 3rd 2007.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php...
Propaganda without proof!

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