Cost of reaching for solar power will...

Cost of reaching for solar power will soar

There are 1229 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Dec 26, 2011, titled Cost of reaching for solar power will soar. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

As California Gov. Jerry Brown participated in a Capitol menorah-lighting ceremony last week to mark the onset of the Jewish holiday Hanukkah, he uttered a secular prayer for a miracle that would make California a model of carbon-free energy.

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#459 Mar 11, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Is that good, bad or indifferent for the US economy?
Would that extra 55% tax make Americans think before driving unnecessary miles?
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As far as I'm concerned, the price of fuel is of no consequence, when the tank's running low, it gets filled.
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BTW, Bozo, just in case you hadn't noticed, I don't live in Britain.
You really don't think the price of fuel dictates the increase in every product everyone buys???

High energy prices hurt the poorest of the poor the most.....
People so poor they don't even have a car......

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#460 Mar 11, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>So, are you a beaner?
If that is a name for a American than yes..........LOL

Do I have ANY latino blood in me or my family???
NOPE

Did I chose to retire in paradise?
YES

Is the name calling because I proved you wrong using your own links???

Is it the fact that I proved a solar system can ROI in less than 4 years causing you to become angry???

Grow up..........LOL

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#461 Mar 11, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>As much as that?
In Venezuela, gas costs $0.18 per gallon.
In Saudi Arabia, it costs $0.48 per gallon.
And are they buying oil from OPEC?????.....LOL

Thanks for making my point......
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#462 Mar 11, 2012
Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in September, exporting 2,829 thousand barrels per day to the United States, which is an increase from last month (2,637 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Saudi Arabia with 1,479 thousand barrels per day.

ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_ gas/petroleum/data_publication s/company_level_imports/curren t/import.html
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#463 Mar 11, 2012
Try again:

ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_ gas/petroleum/data_publication s/company_level_imports/curren t/import.html

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#464 Mar 11, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in September, exporting 2,829 thousand barrels per day to the United States, which is an increase from last month (2,637 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Saudi Arabia with 1,479 thousand barrels per day.
ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_ gas/petroleum/data_publication s/company_level_imports/curren t/import.html
Correct.....

But oslama the economy slayer is doing everything he can to make sure China buys all of Canada's oil....
John

Florence, AL

#465 Mar 11, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Oh so now you saw a mounting on a roof..........ROTFLMAO.......
Virtually nobody took solar panels down unless they were very old or damaged..........
Bottom line is that you can provide no facts to back up anything you have said and I have used third party facts to prove a solar system can ROI in less than 4 years with a return on investment of over 20%......
But keep spouting ignorantly..........LOL
That's what Tina is best at, spouting .
John

Florence, AL

#466 Mar 11, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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I noticed them by the mountings left on the roof. After all, that is where they were mounted.
Yes...most people don't want the power they produce and would rather pay full price to their utility. I'm sure everyone here will buy that one. LOL !!!

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#467 Mar 11, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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I noticed them by the mountings left on the roof. After all, that is where they were mounted. Then again my husband is usually driving so I have time to look.
Like solar failed in the 70's. Or was it the 80's.......maybe the 90's ?? Maybe ?? Just making stuff up now ??

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#468 Mar 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
You really don't think the price of fuel dictates the increase in every product everyone buys???
I absolutely know it does, but many alarmists here disagreed with me when I tried to point it out a while back.
Here Is One wrote:
High energy prices hurt the poorest of the poor the most.....
People so poor they don't even have a car......
Everything hurts the poor.
Here Is One wrote:
If that is a name for a American than yes..........LOL
Do I have ANY latino blood in me or my family???
NOPE
If you're happy about that, I'm happy for you.
Here Is One wrote:
Did I chose to retire in paradise?
YES
Your choose is missing an O.
I chose to retire to Spain in 1990, and it was the best move I ever made.
Here Is One wrote:
Is the name calling because I proved you wrong using your own links???
Nope, I only call people names for fun.
Here Is One wrote:
Is it the fact that I proved a solar system can ROI in less than 4 years causing you to become angry???
Grow up..........LOL
I don't do 'angry' any more...."LOL"
BTW, a system cannot ROI, because ROI means return of investement.

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#469 Mar 12, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>That's what Tina is best at, spouting .
Ignorantly as well..........LOL

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#470 Mar 12, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I absolutely know it does, but many alarmists here disagreed with me when I tried to point it out a while back.<quoted text>Everything hurts the poor.<quoted text>If you're happy about that, I'm happy for you.<quoted text>Your choose is missing an O.
I chose to retire to Spain in 1990, and it was the best move I ever made.<quoted text>Nope, I only call people names for fun.<quoted text>I don't do 'angry' any more...."LOL"
BTW, a system cannot ROI, because ROI means return of investement.
Correct.......The price of energy will make or break the USA in the sate of the economy is in

Correct but liberals should care about the poor........Or that is what they say they do......

Great.........Spain is beautiful also.........

If a solar system returns the investment from the savings you would have spent on energy or a check from the energy company then it is indeed returning the investment.......

And a solar array can ROI in 4 years with a 30 year warranty........

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#471 Mar 12, 2012
Here Is One, how much electricity do you consume on average in kWh per month?

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#472 Mar 12, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Here Is One, how much electricity do you consume on average in kWh per month?
My property in California where my solar array is??

Near ZERO as I am not using the house just collecting a check from PG&E..........

I don't have a solar array here as my southern exposure is blocked......

I am starting to build a new house and I will be installing a 24.6 KW system consisting of the new AUO panels with built in inverters.
The panels produce 230 watts each at 220 volts.
No inverter needed......
Direct grid tie.....

But with 140 meters of construction and a large pool that will not get me off grid using AC in the summer
But in the winter my meter will go backwards everyday so it should come out to costing me less than 1k per year for power instead of 1500 dollars per month

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#473 Mar 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
My property in California where my solar array is??
Near ZERO as I am not using the house just collecting a check from PG&E..........
I don't have a solar array here as my southern exposure is blocked......
I am starting to build a new house and I will be installing a 24.6 KW system consisting of the new AUO panels with built in inverters.
The panels produce 230 watts each at 220 volts.
No inverter needed......
Direct grid tie.....
But with 140 meters of construction and a large pool that will not get me off grid using AC in the summer
But in the winter my meter will go backwards everyday so it should come out to costing me less than 1k per year for power instead of 1500 dollars per month
I'll start again, it's a very simple question that deserves a very simple answer.
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"How much electricity do you consume on average in kWh per month?"
250, 300, 450, 500 or more?
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I don't need to know about where your solar array is or how much electricity an empty house doesn't consume.
Thanks in anticipation.

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#474 Mar 12, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'll start again, it's a very simple question that deserves a very simple answer.
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"How much electricity do you consume on average in kWh per month?"
250, 300, 450, 500 or more?
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I don't need to know about where your solar array is or how much electricity an empty house doesn't consume.
Thanks in anticipation.
My house in California less than 1KWH per month

Here between 2,000 and 5,000 KWH per month

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#475 Mar 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh so now you saw a mounting on a roof..........ROTFLMAO.......
Virtually nobody took solar panels down unless they were very old or damaged..........
Bottom line is that you can provide no facts to back up anything you have said and I have used third party facts to prove a solar system can ROI in less than 4 years with a return on investment of over 20%......
But keep spouting ignorantly..........LOL
Seen more than one set of empty brackets on roofs. And the reason was most likely that during a hurricane or Nor'easter, the panels were either ripped off or had a limb or something else hit them. Or they could of been old. After all, after twenty years they are were more likely more hassle than they were worth.

And you keep claiming that I am spouting ignorance while ignoring the big question of why solar failed in the past. After all, if I am right then solar is heading for the exact same ending this time for the exact same reasons and at that point your ROI looks like so much smoke and mirrors. After all, Bernie Madoff made many of the same claims about his investments. Many believed him much to thier error.

Why should anyone take your ROI as the truth any more than bernie's?

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#476 Mar 12, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Seen more than one set of empty brackets on roofs. And the reason was most likely that during a hurricane or Nor'easter, the panels were either ripped off or had a limb or something else hit them. Or they could of been old. After all, after twenty years they are were more likely more hassle than they were worth.
And you keep claiming that I am spouting ignorance while ignoring the big question of why solar failed in the past. After all, if I am right then solar is heading for the exact same ending this time for the exact same reasons and at that point your ROI looks like so much smoke and mirrors. After all, Bernie Madoff made many of the same claims about his investments. Many believed him much to thier error.
Why should anyone take your ROI as the truth any more than bernie's?
Once more you post nothing but your opinion with nothing to back it up..........LOL

You have never shown us even one case were solar has failed.........LOL

Yes a panel may break or get blown off but the Hurricane we had here last year did not rip off any panels...

The Starwood group just mandated that all Starwood hotels (this includes many high end ones) must install both solar electric and solar water heaters by year end or lose their name.....

Are you telling us that you are smarter than the Starwood group???

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Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#477 Mar 12, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Once more a ignorant rant.........LOL
Yes Mexico today does not have enough refineries but there are enough being built today that will supply all of mexico and leave plenty of refined gas for exportation.....
My point was that Mexico has cheaper gas than the USA because the are not forced into buying oil from OPEC....
And the custruction is far behind schedule and no sign that they are going to catch up any time soon. And the gas you are using now you are buying from the US. Not some future date and being shipped back in time. The goverment is setting the price and that is the only reason why it is so low.

The reason why the price of gas in the US is so high is because we ship more of it out to places like Mexico and South America. If they stopped shipping gas to all these other countries then the prices in the US would drop. And according the the CIA World Factbook. The US oil exports are 1.92 million bbl/day (2009 est.) While the US imports more than it exports it does export with a good deal of crude going to Japan. Alaska is closer to Japan than any other resource and the shorter the trip the more trips a supertanker can make and the more money it can earn.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...

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#479 Mar 12, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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And the custruction is far behind schedule and no sign that they are going to catch up any time soon. And the gas you are using now you are buying from the US. Not some future date and being shipped back in time. The goverment is setting the price and that is the only reason why it is so low.
The reason why the price of gas in the US is so high is because we ship more of it out to places like Mexico and South America. If they stopped shipping gas to all these other countries then the prices in the US would drop. And according the the CIA World Factbook. The US oil exports are 1.92 million bbl/day (2009 est.) While the US imports more than it exports it does export with a good deal of crude going to Japan. Alaska is closer to Japan than any other resource and the shorter the trip the more trips a supertanker can make and the more money it can earn.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...
Why do you keep spouting ignorantly???
Chevron is ahead of schedule on the plants they are building.....
When they are all built Mexico will have more refinery capability than the USA in gallons per day..........LOL

PEMEX shows a profit.......The government is not subsidizing the price of fuel....
CFE on the other hand loses 40 cents on the dollar for electricity and the rates here are far higher than in the USA

And if oslama had not killed the pipeline oil would be even cheaper in the USA

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