Cost of reaching for solar power will...

Cost of reaching for solar power will soar

There are 1229 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Dec 26, 2011, titled Cost of reaching for solar power will soar. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

As California Gov. Jerry Brown participated in a Capitol menorah-lighting ceremony last week to mark the onset of the Jewish holiday Hanukkah, he uttered a secular prayer for a miracle that would make California a model of carbon-free energy.

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litesong

Marysville, WA

#418 Mar 9, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
Don't you 'know' what no means?
The more topix AGW deniers say NO to education, the more they boast about the LITTLE they do KNOW. NO QUESTION!
litesong

Marysville, WA

#419 Mar 9, 2012
Oh, yeah.

"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filty vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
litesong

Marysville, WA

#420 Mar 9, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
Foums(sic) like this attract nutjobs who want to feel important.....
topix AGW advocates are very important, for topix AGW deniers to oppose, not only with weak writings based on non-existent science, but "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" also delivers slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms.'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver', JRS & the inhuman terrorist bob burns write multiple alleged & multiple proudly held threats against topix AGW advocates.

topix AGW advocates are very important for topix AGW deniers to risk jail.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#421 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
And your point is????
I'm not sure, I'm waiting for you to make one.
Here Is One wrote:
Can you get energy from the power company without paying for it????
NOPE
You're a mine of amazing facts, why don't you charge for this information?
Here Is One wrote:
Are there companies that will install solar panels for you with no up front cost and sell you energy for less than the power company can??
YES
Here, in Spain?
NO.
Here Is One wrote:
There are tons of them out there now..........Just read.....LOL
Tons?
Here Is One wrote:
Bute community collage bowered money
"Collage," "Bowered," LOL.
Here Is One wrote:
from a bank to install solar system that generates more energy than they use and the bank was happy to loan them the money......
I'm really pleased for Bute collage, LOL.
Here Is One wrote:
Heck there are people that will lease your bare land from you to install solar panels and sell the power back to the grid.....
There isn't a solar farm anywhere near to where I live and the nearest wind farm is about 60 kms from here.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#422 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
Correct...
Just like home sales fell when the first time home buyer tax program ended........
But that does not make owning a home a viable option......
I don't know what you're talking about and I don't really need or want to.
I've been a fully paid up, mortgage free home owner since 1985.
At one point I owned 5 different properties, 2 apartments in Tenerife, a bungalow on the Spanish peninsular, a four bedroomed house and a two bed apartment in North London.
I don't think there's much you can tell me all about "viable" home ownership?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#423 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you read what was written about the subject???
Why don't you google it???
Yes for the 20th time..........LOL
The NASA calks include the AVERAGE hours per day including weather and volcanoes.....
Soloar has never failed......
NASA has been using solar panels on space craft for 40 years..........LOL
It has just become much more inexpensive in the last 10 years...
And today it is cheaper than any other form of electricity.......
If a system wil ROI in less than 10 years and have a 30 year warranty it is less than one third the price per KWH than any other form of electricity.......
Why do you keep spouting off so ignorant;y???
Why don't you educate yourself or just shut up???
All you are doing is proving that you are willing to open your mouth about a subject you know ZERO about..........LOL
I did and the difference between what you read and what I read is that you were looking for things to support what you believe and I was not. Then I went a little further and decided to collect local data myself with a device that recorded how much light was received and how much power was generated by a small panel mounted next to it on the roof.

And solar is perfect for spacecraft which are above all the weather in the atmosphere and are not out of direct sunlight for all that long. Whihc is a world of difference from one mounted on someone's roof.

I also noticed that you never mention why solar failed the last time. Why people who had it abaondonded it last time. COuld it be that if you did that you would have to admit that the flaw is still there.

Care to google the history of solar and discover why it failed the last time. Or are you going to sit there and claim that it didn't fail again and again in hopes that everyone will believe it.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#424 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
That was a long time ago when I was in the solar business.......LOL
I don't know if you understand that I am a very conservative person....
Liberals hate me here as I say the truth......
But you are just talking about things you don't have a clue.......
Trip advisor says that Vallarta has 12 hours of sun per day.......
NASA says 5.8 hours per day
Do ya think the NASA numbers might really be the average hours per day including all variables?????
Your problem is that you have no understanding of math or electricity.......
But spout off like you are a expert on the subjects.......
It sounds like you care what they think. And everywhere has twelve hours a day average. A lucky for me that if I have no understanding of math I share an office with a math expert. I sure I can that all the help I need is there for the asking. As for electricity, solar power is less about generating power and more about a lifestyle. After all, if it was about generating elctricity there are far better ways. Ways that can provide just as much power at three am as three pm. Ways that can generate just as much power in the middle of the snow storm or hurricane as when it is sunny and 70.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#425 Mar 10, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure, I'm waiting for you to make one.<quoted text>You're a mine of amazing facts, why don't you charge for this information?<quoted text>Here, in Spain?
NO.<quoted text>Tons?<quoted text>"Collage," "Bowered," LOL.<quoted text>I'm really pleased for Bute collage, LOL.<quoted text>There isn't a solar farm anywhere near to where I live and the nearest wind farm is about 60 kms from here.
Already did......LOL
You missed it...
Once more for you.......OK?
Show me another investment that will ROI in 5 years with a 30 year guarantee.......
That is 20% per year return on your money........LOL
Plus a hedge against rising electric prices.
Add in tax deductions
Then add in rebates.....
Got the point????

I do charge for information.
It is called a consulting fee
And those fees alone allow me to burn 6k worth of TRIX fuel every weekend in my Donzi...
Tripple blown and injected 502 drink a tad......

Butte collage was able to get a loan from a bank.(not oslama the economy slayer) and the loan repayment was based solely on the amount of money that PGE would pay the collage every month.....
The loan will repay in less than 10 years with 20 years more of warranty left.....

In 10 years when the loan pays off they would be able to drop all of their fees they charge students by 70% and still bring in the same money......

Go look in Germany.....

Heck even in Seattle Wa. one of the rainiest cities in the USA solar is a very viable investment....

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#426 Mar 10, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what you're talking about and I don't really need or want to.
I've been a fully paid up, mortgage free home owner since 1985.
At one point I owned 5 different properties, 2 apartments in Tenerife, a bungalow on the Spanish peninsular, a four bedroomed house and a two bed apartment in North London.
I don't think there's much you can tell me all about "viable" home ownership?
Did you make the statement that with reduced tax incentives solar sales went down???
YES

So I pointed out that when the tax benefits ended for buying houses house sales also fell....

Did that make home ownership any less viable???

NOPE

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#427 Mar 10, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
I did and the difference between what you read and what I read is that you were looking for things to support what you believe and I was not. Then I went a little further and decided to collect local data myself with a device that recorded how much light was received and how much power was generated by a small panel mounted next to it on the roof.
And solar is perfect for spacecraft which are above all the weather in the atmosphere and are not out of direct sunlight for all that long. Whihc is a world of difference from one mounted on someone's roof.
I also noticed that you never mention why solar failed the last time. Why people who had it abaondonded it last time. COuld it be that if you did that you would have to admit that the flaw is still there.
Care to google the history of solar and discover why it failed the last time. Or are you going to sit there and claim that it didn't fail again and again in hopes that everyone will believe it.
And???
What did your meter tell you???

Yesterday here we had over 12 hours of sun but according to NASA when calculating the output of a solar system here we only use 5.8 hours per day.....

Does that mean NASA was wrong???
NOPE

It only means they calculated for summer when we get a lot of rain........

Solar never failed..........Some companies did bout the sun did not fail.........

20 years ago was solar very expensive??
YES

Today will a solar system in a sunny area pay you 20% return on your money per year??
YES

Can you show me a better investment with a 30 year guarantee????

I did not think so........LOL

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#428 Mar 10, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like you care what they think. And everywhere has twelve hours a day average. A lucky for me that if I have no understanding of math I share an office with a math expert. I sure I can that all the help I need is there for the asking. As for electricity, solar power is less about generating power and more about a lifestyle. After all, if it was about generating elctricity there are far better ways. Ways that can provide just as much power at three am as three pm. Ways that can generate just as much power in the middle of the snow storm or hurricane as when it is sunny and 70.
I guess you have not read many of my post or you would know that I don't care what anyone thinks.....

I think you are a ignorant conservative when it comes to math and energy......
I am a educated conservative when it comes to math and energy......

Wrong again.......
Why would a company like ma bell or ATT use solar if it was for a lifestyle???

I put a large solar system on a house that has sat empty now for ten years......
And you are saying I put solar panels on it for my lifestyle.........ROTFLMAO

More ignorant spouting from you......

I put solar panels on that hose for two reasons.....

1. PG&E paid for my solar system by sending me a check every month and it is more than a 20% per year return on my investment with a 30 year warranty...

2. If the shit really hits the fan after oslama is done killing the economy I will have a house that has its own power, water and food source......
So my little insurance policy that will give me a place to be safe thru most disasters also pays me more than 20% return on my investment every year.........

I am still waiting for you to tell me how many investments you have that pay more than 20% return with a 30 year guarantee......

Plus the fact that PG&E has increased the amount they pay me per KWH by almost 20% from 10 cents a KWH to 12 cents per KWH

So my investment pays me a higher rate of return the higher energy prices go..........LOL

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#429 Mar 10, 2012
Advice to People Considering Investing in Solar Power
On average, solar electric panels take between 10-15 years to break even.
http://www.solartradingpost.com/solar-panel-r... #
-
Solar Power's Return on Investment
But can a solar installation do more than break even and have a positive return on investment?

The answer is yes - with some caveats.

In most cases, solar arrays will have a payback period - the length of time they take to pay for themselves through energy savings - of no more than 15 years.
http://www.getsolar.com/News/Solar-Energy-Fac...
-
How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels

Read more: How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4710760_calculate-ret...

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#430 Mar 10, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Advice to People Considering Investing in Solar Power
On average, solar electric panels take between 10-15 years to break even.
http://www.solartradingpost.com/solar-panel-r... #
-
Solar Power's Return on Investment
But can a solar installation do more than break even and have a positive return on investment?
The answer is yes - with some caveats.
In most cases, solar arrays will have a payback period - the length of time they take to pay for themselves through energy savings - of no more than 15 years.
http://www.getsolar.com/News/Solar-Energy-Fac...
-
How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels
Read more: How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4710760_calculate-ret...
I went to your first link and chose the solar calculator and it showed 5.74 average hours of sun per day in California.

I chose to replace a 300 dollar per month bill and they suggested that I buy a 16.6 KW system valued at 132k dollars with a 14 year ROI with a cost of over 9 dollars per watt…..
I paid around one dollar per watt and there are many web sites offering systems in that price range….

But lets round it up to 20k dollars instead of 132k dollars and we get a ROI of 5.5 years……..LOL

Here is a third party link showing in 2009 that solar systems could be bought for one dollar per watt…..
Today in China you can buy a complete system with grid tie inverter with a 35 year warranty for under a dollar per watt…….LOL

www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/solar...

So you are wrong again………….LOL

Then I went to your third link and ran the calculations on buying a complete system and I got a ROI of 3.9 years………….LOL

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#431 Mar 10, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Advice to People Considering Investing in Solar Power
On average, solar electric panels take between 10-15 years to break even.
http://www.solartradingpost.com/solar-panel-r... #
-
Solar Power's Return on Investment
But can a solar installation do more than break even and have a positive return on investment?
The answer is yes - with some caveats.
In most cases, solar arrays will have a payback period - the length of time they take to pay for themselves through energy savings - of no more than 15 years.
http://www.getsolar.com/News/Solar-Energy-Fac...
-
How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels
Read more: How to Calculate the Return on Investment for Solar Panels | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4710760_calculate-ret...
PS.....Thanks for proving me right..........LOL

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#432 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
Show me another investment that will ROI in 5 years
Why, you haven't shown me one yet?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#433 Mar 10, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Why, you haven't shown me one yet?
Just did in the previous post using your links plus one link of mine from 2009 that shows a solar system can be bought for 1 dollar per watt.......

The calculators you posted show a ROI of less than 4 years at 1 dollar per watt and that is a 25% return on investment..........LOL

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#434 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
And???
What did your meter tell you???
Yesterday here we had over 12 hours of sun but according to NASA when calculating the output of a solar system here we only use 5.8 hours per day.....
Does that mean NASA was wrong???
NOPE
It only means they calculated for summer when we get a lot of rain........
Solar never failed..........Some companies did bout the sun did not fail.........
20 years ago was solar very expensive??
YES
Today will a solar system in a sunny area pay you 20% return on your money per year??
YES
Can you show me a better investment with a 30 year guarantee????
I did not think so........LOL
Notice how many solar systems were being installed in the nineties. Notice how many were being removed in the ninties? Seems like it was a failure when more were being uninstalled than installed.

You also claim that it will pay a 20% return on investment. Yet I not seen anyone able to actually prove these claims. Many have made claims like that to only have the returns being far less. I have seen stocks and mutual funds provide a higher return than 20%.

Can you say that about a solar system in a cloudy area. After all not every day will be sunny. And that has been the problem for solar. It is only good on sunny days. The NASA numbers are sunny day numbers and not for the rainy days.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#435 Mar 10, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you have not read many of my post or you would know that I don't care what anyone thinks.....
I think you are a ignorant conservative when it comes to math and energy......
I am a educated conservative when it comes to math and energy......
Wrong again.......
Why would a company like ma bell or ATT use solar if it was for a lifestyle???
I put a large solar system on a house that has sat empty now for ten years......
And you are saying I put solar panels on it for my lifestyle.........ROTFLMAO
More ignorant spouting from you......
I put solar panels on that hose for two reasons.....
1. PG&E paid for my solar system by sending me a check every month and it is more than a 20% per year return on my investment with a 30 year warranty...
2. If the shit really hits the fan after oslama is done killing the economy I will have a house that has its own power, water and food source......
So my little insurance policy that will give me a place to be safe thru most disasters also pays me more than 20% return on my investment every year.........
I am still waiting for you to tell me how many investments you have that pay more than 20% return with a 30 year guarantee......
Plus the fact that PG&E has increased the amount they pay me per KWH by almost 20% from 10 cents a KWH to 12 cents per KWH
So my investment pays me a higher rate of return the higher energy prices go..........LOL
Why would any company use solar? Simple, for the tax breaks. The same reason that your electric company is sending you a check is because they receive a subsity check from the goverment that makes up for part of what they are sending you.

I have several investments that have returned better than 20%. As for what, that is a side benifit of where I work and normally they charge for it. So, talk to your local investment advisor and let an expert help you.
John

Morocco, IN

#436 Mar 10, 2012
Wasting your time with these people. Trashy tina is a self proclaimed expert with her little photocell and laptop and you can't tell her anything. Earthworm is a dried up old English teacher wannabe trying to do stand up comedy. He's not funny and really isn't a very good teacher.
John

United States

#437 Mar 10, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would any company use solar? Simple, for the tax breaks. The same reason that your electric company is sending you a check is because they receive a subsity check from the goverment that makes up for part of what they are sending you.
.
I don't care why they send me money for my excess power production . If my electric bill is lower or near zero or if I get a check, it's all good. The oil companies don't send me a check for their 4 billion in subsidies from the taxpayer.

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