California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases

Aug 29, 2014 Full story: Advocate 171

California will likely become the first state in the U.S. to officially bar people in court from using the "trans panic" or "gay panic" defense in court.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#159 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Except of course it does, as a man walking into a girls bathroom constitutes obscene and indecent behavior.
By your rationale, it's perfectly okay for a grown man to shower with 8 year old girls at the local YMCA, just as long as he assures inquiring minds that he "feels like a woman" that day.
So I should call the police and have the cleaning man arrested for going in to the girls bathroom?

Does that apply to the cleaning woman going into the boys bathroom as well?

Or is you fixation only on you watching a woman take a crap??

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#160 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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The fact is that if you see a woman she is most likely a woman, not a man dressed and made up as a woman. If the person is a deviate it would be in the best interest of all involved to disclose that at the very start of any possible relationship. Common sense.
Can we apply the same logic to those other "deviates", like catholics and jews and blacks and left handed people?

Maybe they could all just wear different colored triangles on their clothing...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#161 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Not silly at all. If you think that it's ok for a grown man to enter a girls lockeroom at a YMCA and look at naked girls, under the ruse that he "feels like a girl" that day, you're not only silly, but sick. Wouldn't expect anything less from the LGBIGOT community though.
Who ever said it was okay for a man to go into a girls locker room to look at naked girls?

Oh that's right, NO ONE.

It's only YOUR sick mind which immediately goes there.

Like your desire to watch women take a crap.

Are you really THAT STUPID (of course you are), that you think a guy faking to be transgendered wouldn't be prosecuted for doing that?

All your scary "what ifs" are just a lame smoke screen for you bigotry and fools no one.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#162 Sep 3, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Can we apply the same logic to those other "deviates", like catholics and jews and blacks and left handed people?
Maybe they could all just wear different colored triangles on their clothing...
If they fall into the same category, sure. I'm quite certain that Catholics, Jews, blacks and left handed people aren't immune from being trans.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#163 Sep 3, 2014
On a serious note though, what's to stop real perverts from using this law for nefarious purposes. What's the failsafe part of the law that prohibits a 40 year old man from sitting in a girls lockeroom at the local pool, watching underage girls in various states of undress, under the ruse that he's experiencing a "gender identity crisis"?

I'll answer my own question. Nothing.

The staff will ask the person to leave, the cops will arrest him when he doesn't, the pervert will hire a sleazy attorney to represent him in a lawsuit against the establishment, a slimy liberal judge will declare he has a right to be there, and he'll go back to sitting there everyday watching 8 year old girls taking their clothes off, while the LGBIGOTs and liberal pukes on the left cheer the decision.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#164 Sep 3, 2014
Quest wrote:
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What a silly comparison.
I don't know what YMCA you have been in but I have never seen groups of 8 year old girls showering together.
And transgender kids don't "feel like a woman" just to get in the shower with anyone.
Geesh.
Indeed. He sure is a creepy one.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#165 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
On a serious note though, what's to stop real perverts from using this law for nefarious purposes. What's the failsafe part of the law that prohibits a 40 year old man from sitting in a girls lockeroom at the local pool, watching underage girls in various states of undress, under the ruse that he's experiencing a "gender identity crisis"?
I'll answer my own question. Nothing.
The staff will ask the person to leave, the cops will arrest him when he doesn't, the pervert will hire a sleazy attorney to represent him in a lawsuit against the establishment, a slimy liberal judge will declare he has a right to be there, and he'll go back to sitting there everyday watching 8 year old girls taking their clothes off, while the LGBIGOTs and liberal pukes on the left cheer the decision.
What a creepy projection.

DUDE!!!!

GET HELP

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#166 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
WOW, MESSED THAT UP, TAKE 2:
That could be. Gays say if they had a choice they would NOT chose to be gay. Could be that eJohn is watching straight port and having straight fantasies. He's pretty strange.
Link or lie?

Many say they would choose nothing else because they know nothing else.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#167 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
On a serious note though, what's to stop real perverts from using this law for nefarious purposes. What's the failsafe part of the law that prohibits a 40 year old man from sitting in a girls lockeroom at the local pool, watching underage girls in various states of undress, under the ruse that he's experiencing a "gender identity crisis"?
I'll answer my own question. Nothing.
The staff will ask the person to leave, the cops will arrest him when he doesn't, the pervert will hire a sleazy attorney to represent him in a lawsuit against the establishment, a slimy liberal judge will declare he has a right to be there, and he'll go back to sitting there everyday watching 8 year old girls taking their clothes off, while the LGBIGOTs and liberal pukes on the left cheer the decision.
They know you're right. Stuff like that happens all the time.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#168 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
WOW, MESSED THAT UP, TAKE 2:
That could be. Gays say if they had a choice they would NOT chose to be gay. Could be that eJohn is watching straight port and having straight fantasies. He's pretty strange.
I have never, in nearly 35 years of being out and dealing with the gay community, both socially and through volunteer efforts, EVER encountered a gay person that would be straight if they had the choice.

What people are saying that you're misinterpreting is that, given the culture we live in, and the extreme amount of anti-gay bigotry there is in the world, given the choice, of course, EVERYONE would "choose" to not be a member of a severely abused and persecuted minority. Ask anyone, "Give the choice, would you like to be bludgeoned and abused and cast out by society, or would you like to be embraced and welcomed by it?" what do YOU think they'd answer?

But choose to be straight?? Hell, no!!

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#169 Sep 3, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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I have never, in nearly 35 years of being out and dealing with the gay community, both socially and through volunteer efforts, EVER encountered a gay person that would be straight if they had the choice.
What people are saying that you're misinterpreting is that, given the culture we live in, and the extreme amount of anti-gay bigotry there is in the world, given the choice, of course, EVERYONE would "choose" to not be a member of a severely abused and persecuted minority. Ask anyone, "Give the choice, would you like to be bludgeoned and abused and cast out by society, or would you like to be embraced and welcomed by it?" what do YOU think they'd answer?
But choose to be straight?? Hell, no!!
Exactly.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#170 Sep 3, 2014
You've never been in a Ladies room have you? I have! And as a T-woman who doesn't pass very well, let me tell you, It can be scary! First of all, What can you see when all the women are in a stall? Next, Which one has a Transphobe husband, whose younger, stronger, and very easily aroused to violence, waiting outside? No mythical pervert is going to take the chance. I wait till I'm desperate and I go in, do my business, and get out, as quickly as possible. I don't want any trouble. But your imaginary "Pervert" is nothing but a voyeur. Don't you think he would be found out and reported as such rather quickly? It takes a lot of chutzpah to put on women's clothing and go hang out in a ladies room! I doubt if he has it in him. Most perverts are gutless little wimps. Go find another tree to debark!
Regards, Terri
Sneaky Pete wrote:
On a serious note though, what's to stop real perverts from using this law for nefarious purposes. What's the failsafe part of the law that prohibits a 40 year old man from sitting in a girls lockeroom at the local pool, watching underage girls in various states of undress, under the ruse that he's experiencing a "gender identity crisis"?
I'll answer my own question. Nothing.
The staff will ask the person to leave, the cops will arrest him when he doesn't, the pervert will hire a sleazy attorney to represent him in a lawsuit against the establishment, a slimy liberal judge will declare he has a right to be there, and he'll go back to sitting there everyday watching 8 year old girls taking their clothes off, while the LGBIGOTs and liberal pukes on the left cheer the decision.

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Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#171 Sep 3, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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You are taking joy in the possibility of prison anal rape of a man. Nice! Does that get ya off? Hotcha hotcha
No, Rizzo... I'm amused by sheeple's word play, I'm not "taking joy in the possibility of prison anal rape of a man."

However, if that man happens to be a hateful, violent bigot, I would see his prison rape as sort of poetic justice. He deserves to be somebody's "bitch."

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Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#172 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is that if you see a woman she is most likely a woman, not a man dressed and made up as a woman. If the person is a deviate it would be in the best interest of all involved to disclose that at the very start of any possible relationship. Common sense.
You didn't really address ANY of the questions I asked.

You are "wondering" because you are not knowing... you are ignorant as they come in all matters LGBT. Since you are obviously both obsessed with all things LGBT, and woefully ignorant of them... you should allow yourself to learn and be educated, rather than pretend you have a freaking clue as to what you're talking about.

You seem to believe you have a "right" not to be made uncomfortable by other people's sexuality, and they should be legally required to go out of their way to make ignorant bigots more comfortable and aware of their presence. What an incredibly asinine, childish, self-centered, narrow minded way of thinking... far from common sense.

To be clear, I'm not advocating that trans-people try to decieve anyone. And if they ever intend to become physically involved with someone, of course they will eventually have to reveal what sort of genitals they have, but beyond that, they have NO obligation to disclose ANYTHING to ANYONE, and NO ONE has a "RIGHT" to know ANYTHING about them.

You remind me of this idiot I witnessed a few years ago. A straight guy comes into a gay bar, and proceeds to take off his shirt and shake his a$$ on the dance floor. Then he has a violent reaction when a gay guy flirts with him. Who do you think gets kicked out of the bar, the guy who flirted with him, or the guy who got violent when flirted with? Tell me again about your version of "common sense."

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#173 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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If they fall into the same category, sure. I'm quite certain that Catholics, Jews, blacks and left handed people aren't immune from being trans.
Using your standards, they're all deviants regardless of their gender identity.

So what color triangle do you have envisioned for the Catholics?

Will the Jews have to wear a triangle, or will the traditional Star of David do?

How about the blacks? I bet they'd look good in orange.

And of course the lefties would have to be green.

Hitler would be so proud of you...

“=”

Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#174 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Not silly at all. If you think that it's ok for a grown man to enter a girls lockeroom at a YMCA and look at naked girls, under the ruse that he "feels like a girl" that day, you're not only silly, but sick. Wouldn't expect anything less from the LGBIGOT community though.
But the scenario you are talking about has absolutely NOTHING to do with trans people. Nothing.

Your ignorance of what trans people actually are, is not a free pass to characterize them as people who disguise themselves as the opposite sex just to check out people in bathrooms and locker rooms.

They use those facilities for the same reasons as anyone else. The fact that you assume they are using them for "sick" "perverted" "indecent" or "deviant" reasons, actually says more about YOU than it does about them.

I guarantee that YOU are the sick one, pete.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#175 Sep 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
On a serious note though, what's to stop real perverts from using this law for nefarious purposes. What's the failsafe part of the law that prohibits a 40 year old man from sitting in a girls lockeroom at the local pool, watching underage girls in various states of undress, under the ruse that he's experiencing a "gender identity crisis"?
I'll answer my own question. Nothing.
The staff will ask the person to leave, the cops will arrest him when he doesn't, the pervert will hire a sleazy attorney to represent him in a lawsuit against the establishment, a slimy liberal judge will declare he has a right to be there, and he'll go back to sitting there everyday watching 8 year old girls taking their clothes off, while the LGBIGOTs and liberal pukes on the left cheer the decision.
B.S.

Gender identity protections have been on the books for DECADES in some states, and there have been few if any problems like your imaginary scenario.

But is DOES make for a good fairytale to scare the ignorant bigots with.

That's why they're the only ones constantly bringing up the "bathroom nightmare scenario" whenever gender identity protections are being discussed.

Scare away bitch; it's not working anymore.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#176 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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They know you're right. Stuff like that happens all the time.
Really? All the time?

Then you should have no problem listing all those cases where some guy used the gender identity laws to sit in the girls shower watching them get naked and the liberal judge let him off.

We'll wait while you provide the links to those cases....
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#177 Sep 3, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Really? All the time?
Then you should have no problem listing all those cases where some guy used the gender identity laws to sit in the girls shower watching them get naked and the liberal judge let him off.
We'll wait while you provide the links to those cases....
Google it. When you finish reading you'll be much older.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#178 Sep 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Google it. When you finish reading you'll be much older.
In other words, "I was bluffing. You weren't supposed to ask for support. I was backed into a corner and panicked."

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