Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 58787 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41277 Nov 13, 2013
The WMO said that individual tropical cyclones, such as Haiyan, could not be directly attributed to the effects of climate change.

But "higher sea levels are already making coastal populations more vulnerable to storm surges. We saw this with tragic consequences in the Philippines," Jarraud said. Seas have risen by about 20 cms (8 inches) in the past century.

As of early November 2013, there had been 86 tropical cyclones, from typhoons to Atlantic hurricanes, closing in on the 1981-2010 average of 89 storms, the WMO said.[theguardian.com]
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41278 Nov 13, 2013
"Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt..."
In September, this myth was laid to rest by the UNIPCC's AR5. It is interesting to note that there appears to be but 6 devout believers that deny this fact.

Over the past 1/2 decade there have been a number of threads on topix that have lost the luster of consensus.

Perhaps a trend is presenting itself...?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41279 Nov 13, 2013
Say what? Science deniers deny science by calling it "myth."

Consensus is about 100% for all practical purposes. The deniers are still bs-ing, though. Funny but sad.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41280 Nov 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL... First a pervert, always a pervert, and now a STRAWMAN. One would do well if one could read.
I repeat:
"Summary: CAGW is linked to a typhoon season in which a single severe storm made landfall."
I repeat, there have been 13 named typhoons in the north and central Pacific this year, idiot!

It's obvious that you don't know what strawman means. It appears that you don't know what "landfall" means, either.

Typhoons and severe tropical storms made landfall in Japan, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, with the Philippines and China being hit multiple times.

Where is the strawman, fool?

Blowin' in the wind.
Democrat wife

Los Angeles, CA

#41281 Nov 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Say what? Science deniers deny science by calling it "myth."
Consensus is about 100% for all practical purposes. The deniers are still bs-ing, though. Funny but sad.
The science is settled.

It really is a baby inside the womb.
Coal is King

Gilbertsville, KY

#41282 Nov 13, 2013
More voices from the coalfields:

From Somerset, KY:

“Good people have lost their jobs, and Good people are losing where they live. Many stayed exacally where their parents lived in the same houses some were born in or came home from the hospital to. Now have raised their children in the same place. But, good "deals" never last forever. They should be grateful for the time they had it so good. out of work miners are the same, Good people losing good jobs. BUT.... part of the same reason.. Obama putting all his effort into green engery and forgetting about the source of engery that he could have helped and make cleaner and let continue!!! Green engery has cost the taxpayer billion on billions with NO results!!! H$ll. news just said yesterday that IRS sent out 4 BILLION dollars to bogus names in tax returns mainly to CHINA. No country, no man, nobody can fix that!!! Things that are happening are just crazy!!”
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41283 Nov 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I repeat,
Typhoons and severe tropical storms made landfall in Japan, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, with the Philippines and China being hit multiple times.
Where is the strawman, fool?
Blowin' in the wind.
Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41284 Nov 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>To another poster:

Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
Repeating.. you never cite because you are just "Blowing in the wind!"

We knew that, duh.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41285 Nov 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Say what? Science deniers deny science by calling it "myth."
Consensus is about 100% for all practical purposes. The deniers are still bs-ing, though. Funny but sad.
Real men don't believe in science. ;)

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41286 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>
evening, traitorous coward.
Good afternoon, sock puppet & your merry band of judgeit's.
What is even sadder than us know nothing science believers is a bunch of 10 tea baggers or so pretending to be in their 100's.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41287 Nov 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
I'm so sorry that you are so ignorant.

Try NOAA, NCDC, or even Wiki. The information is soooo easy to find.

If you had done that before you made your stupid remark about "one storm", you wouldn't look so unbearably stupid now!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41288 Nov 13, 2013
Remembering Katrina. We are 135 miles from landfall in Waveland. If it were to happen in your neighborhood, you could expect something like this:

100 mph winds.

No electricity for 11 days. You should have frozen 2-liter bottles of water days ahead in preparation, so you eat your steaks and roasts first and work your way down to the less expensive meats, if you have gas or charcoal to cook with. Food coolers at the grocery stores full of ruined, wasted meat and dairy products.

No electricity at city water pump for two days, therefore, no water for two days.

No air conditioning while the temps stay around 95/80 every day with no rain.

Pushing and shoving and fist-fights, with one shooting, when government supply trucks come in with ice and bottled water.

Daylight break-in at a convenience store while law enforcement was supervising ice and water distribution...much beer and cigarettes stolen.

Generators stolen from backyards and carports in the middle of the night.

Gasoline rationing.

You can be sure that the closer you are to the epicenter of a disaster, the worse these problems are. It is happening now in the Philippines.

Stop and think. No electricity. That alone screws up almost everything we can do on a daily basis. It's a fall back to the level of American civilization 110 years ago.

As someone who's been through 4 disasters, I advise...be prepared!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41289 Nov 13, 2013
Then there's a problem of property values, when you dance with the devil.

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In the Catskills, fracking fears have already impacted the real estate market even though the state has yet to make a determination on whether to allow drilling. The prospect that the state will open the region to drilling, as the New York Times reported,“has spooked potential buyers” in upstate New York. The Times story also quoted a realtor who shut down her business In Wayne County, Penn. Agents there, the woman said, are having trouble selling rural properties “because people don’t want to be anywhere near the drilling.”

A study conducted by researchers at Duke University found that the risks and potential liabilities of drilling outweigh economic benefits like lease payments and potential economic development in Washington County, PA. Even though lease payments can add overall value to homes with wells drilled on them, the possibility of contaminated water decreases property value by an average of 24 percent. The boost that comes from signing a lease offsets the increases, leaving a net decrease in value of 13 percent.

A 2010 study of the Texas real estate market in the heavily drilled suburban-Dallas area near Flower Mound concluded that homes valued at more than $250,000 and within 1,000 feet of a drilling pad or well site saw values decrease by three to 14 percent.

Faced with a boom in coal-bed methane development in the early 2000s, officials in La Plata County, CO studied the impacts of oil and gas development and found that properties with a well drilled on them saw their value decrease by 22 percent.

In a 2005 peer-reviewed study, researchers found that oil and gas production “significantly affect the sale price for rural properties.” The study determined that the presence of oil and gas facilities within 2.5 miles of rural residential properties in Alberta, Canada reduced property values between four and eight percent, with the potential for doubling the decrease, depending on the level of industrial activity.

In Pavilion, WY, where the EPA has linked groundwater contamination with fracking, Louis Meeks saw the value of his 40-acre alfalfa farm all but disappear completely. In 2006, his land and home were appraised at $239,000. Two years later, as ProPublica reported,“a local realtor sent Meeks a coldly worded letter saying his place was essentially worthless and she could not list his property.‘Since the problem was well documented … and since no generally-accepted reason for the blowout has been agreed upon,’ she wrote,‘buyers may feel reluctant to purchase a property with this stigma.’”

Similar nightmares have befallen residents of Dimock, PA, where fracking problems decimated home values, and the drilling company responsible, Cabot Resources, was ordered to pay impacted fam­i­lies’ set­tle­ments worth twice their property values, a total of more than $4 mil­lion.

-Ecowatch
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41290 Nov 13, 2013
Democrat wife wrote:
<quoted text>
The science is settled.
It really is a baby inside the womb.
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Prepared for the 2013 National Climate Assessment and a landmark study in terms of its breadth and depth of coverage, Climate of the Southeast United States is the result of a collaboration among three Regional Integrated Sciences and Assessments Centers: the Southeast Climate Consortium; the Carolinas Regional Sciences and Assessments; and the Southern Climate Impacts Planning Program; with contributions from numerous local, state, federal, and nongovernmental agencies to develop a comprehensive, state of the art look at the effects of climate change in the region.

The book summarizes the scientific literature with respect to climate impacts on the Southeast United States, including 11 southern states to the east of the Mississippi River, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands; reviews the historic climate, current climate, and the projected future climate of the region; and describes interactions with important sectors of the Southeast and cross-sectoral issues, namely climate change mitigation, adaptation, and education and outreach.
blah

Baldwin Park, CA

#41291 Nov 13, 2013
blah blah
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41292 Nov 13, 2013
blah wrote:
blah blah
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/imag...

When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it's natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. A 2010 study included 10 key indicators, and as shown [above], every one of them is moving in the direction expected of a warming globe.[skepticalscience.com]
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41293 Nov 13, 2013
Here ya go, ole King Coal:

"markets are demolishing coal more effectively than government. Since 1990, power companies have selected coal for merely 6% of new generation. Gas was the fuel for 77%, even as coal has been far more competitive than it is today."

"Now gas enjoys a huge price advantage, driven by the hydraulic-fracturing techno-revolution and the vast shale reserves of the greater Midwest. When gas is trading at $6 per million British thermal units, it is 50% cheaper than coal over the life of a power plant. Today, gas is trading near $2."

http://www.google.com/url...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41294 Nov 13, 2013
Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world's leading meteorological agency says.

In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.

The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.
Al Gore

Fullerton, CA

#41295 Nov 13, 2013
Under my plan, all global warming believers are put in a lockbox.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41296 Nov 14, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world's leading meteorological agency says.
In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.
The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.
Also; The public debate about the alleged “warming pause” was misguided from the outset, because far too much was read into a cherry-picked short-term trend. Now this debate has become completely baseless, because the trend of the last 15 or 16 years is nothing unusual – even despite the record El Niño year at the beginning of the period. It is still a quarter less than the warming trend since 1980, which is 0.16 °C per decade. But that’s not surprising when one starts with an extreme El Niño and ends with persistent La Niña conditions, and is also running through a particularly deep and prolonged solar minimum in the second half. As we often said, all this is within the usual variability around the long-term global warming trend and no cause for excited over-interpretation.
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