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There are 64570 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Democrat wife

Corona Del Mar, CA

#41281 Nov 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Say what? Science deniers deny science by calling it "myth."
Consensus is about 100% for all practical purposes. The deniers are still bs-ing, though. Funny but sad.
The science is settled.

It really is a baby inside the womb.
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#41282 Nov 13, 2013
More voices from the coalfields:

From Somerset, KY:

“Good people have lost their jobs, and Good people are losing where they live. Many stayed exacally where their parents lived in the same houses some were born in or came home from the hospital to. Now have raised their children in the same place. But, good "deals" never last forever. They should be grateful for the time they had it so good. out of work miners are the same, Good people losing good jobs. BUT.... part of the same reason.. Obama putting all his effort into green engery and forgetting about the source of engery that he could have helped and make cleaner and let continue!!! Green engery has cost the taxpayer billion on billions with NO results!!! H$ll. news just said yesterday that IRS sent out 4 BILLION dollars to bogus names in tax returns mainly to CHINA. No country, no man, nobody can fix that!!! Things that are happening are just crazy!!”
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41283 Nov 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I repeat,
Typhoons and severe tropical storms made landfall in Japan, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, with the Philippines and China being hit multiple times.
Where is the strawman, fool?
Blowin' in the wind.
Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#41284 Nov 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>To another poster:

Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
Repeating.. you never cite because you are just "Blowing in the wind!"

We knew that, duh.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41285 Nov 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Say what? Science deniers deny science by calling it "myth."
Consensus is about 100% for all practical purposes. The deniers are still bs-ing, though. Funny but sad.
Real men don't believe in science. ;)

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41286 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>
evening, traitorous coward.
Good afternoon, sock puppet & your merry band of judgeit's.
What is even sadder than us know nothing science believers is a bunch of 10 tea baggers or so pretending to be in their 100's.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41287 Nov 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, repeat. But never with a citation. Why is that? Because you are just "Blowin' in the wind"!
I'm so sorry that you are so ignorant.

Try NOAA, NCDC, or even Wiki. The information is soooo easy to find.

If you had done that before you made your stupid remark about "one storm", you wouldn't look so unbearably stupid now!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41288 Nov 13, 2013
Remembering Katrina. We are 135 miles from landfall in Waveland. If it were to happen in your neighborhood, you could expect something like this:

100 mph winds.

No electricity for 11 days. You should have frozen 2-liter bottles of water days ahead in preparation, so you eat your steaks and roasts first and work your way down to the less expensive meats, if you have gas or charcoal to cook with. Food coolers at the grocery stores full of ruined, wasted meat and dairy products.

No electricity at city water pump for two days, therefore, no water for two days.

No air conditioning while the temps stay around 95/80 every day with no rain.

Pushing and shoving and fist-fights, with one shooting, when government supply trucks come in with ice and bottled water.

Daylight break-in at a convenience store while law enforcement was supervising ice and water distribution...much beer and cigarettes stolen.

Generators stolen from backyards and carports in the middle of the night.

Gasoline rationing.

You can be sure that the closer you are to the epicenter of a disaster, the worse these problems are. It is happening now in the Philippines.

Stop and think. No electricity. That alone screws up almost everything we can do on a daily basis. It's a fall back to the level of American civilization 110 years ago.

As someone who's been through 4 disasters, I advise...be prepared!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41289 Nov 13, 2013
Then there's a problem of property values, when you dance with the devil.

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In the Catskills, fracking fears have already impacted the real estate market even though the state has yet to make a determination on whether to allow drilling. The prospect that the state will open the region to drilling, as the New York Times reported,“has spooked potential buyers” in upstate New York. The Times story also quoted a realtor who shut down her business In Wayne County, Penn. Agents there, the woman said, are having trouble selling rural properties “because people don’t want to be anywhere near the drilling.”

A study conducted by researchers at Duke University found that the risks and potential liabilities of drilling outweigh economic benefits like lease payments and potential economic development in Washington County, PA. Even though lease payments can add overall value to homes with wells drilled on them, the possibility of contaminated water decreases property value by an average of 24 percent. The boost that comes from signing a lease offsets the increases, leaving a net decrease in value of 13 percent.

A 2010 study of the Texas real estate market in the heavily drilled suburban-Dallas area near Flower Mound concluded that homes valued at more than $250,000 and within 1,000 feet of a drilling pad or well site saw values decrease by three to 14 percent.

Faced with a boom in coal-bed methane development in the early 2000s, officials in La Plata County, CO studied the impacts of oil and gas development and found that properties with a well drilled on them saw their value decrease by 22 percent.

In a 2005 peer-reviewed study, researchers found that oil and gas production “significantly affect the sale price for rural properties.” The study determined that the presence of oil and gas facilities within 2.5 miles of rural residential properties in Alberta, Canada reduced property values between four and eight percent, with the potential for doubling the decrease, depending on the level of industrial activity.

In Pavilion, WY, where the EPA has linked groundwater contamination with fracking, Louis Meeks saw the value of his 40-acre alfalfa farm all but disappear completely. In 2006, his land and home were appraised at $239,000. Two years later, as ProPublica reported,“a local realtor sent Meeks a coldly worded letter saying his place was essentially worthless and she could not list his property.‘Since the problem was well documented … and since no generally-accepted reason for the blowout has been agreed upon,’ she wrote,‘buyers may feel reluctant to purchase a property with this stigma.’”

Similar nightmares have befallen residents of Dimock, PA, where fracking problems decimated home values, and the drilling company responsible, Cabot Resources, was ordered to pay impacted fam­i­lies’ set­tle­ments worth twice their property values, a total of more than $4 mil­lion.

-Ecowatch
SpaceBlues

United States

#41290 Nov 13, 2013
Democrat wife wrote:
<quoted text>
The science is settled.
It really is a baby inside the womb.
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blah

Glendora, CA

#41291 Nov 13, 2013
blah blah
SpaceBlues

United States

#41292 Nov 13, 2013
blah wrote:
blah blah
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/imag...

When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it's natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. A 2010 study included 10 key indicators, and as shown [above], every one of them is moving in the direction expected of a warming globe.[skepticalscience.com]
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41293 Nov 13, 2013
Here ya go, ole King Coal:

"markets are demolishing coal more effectively than government. Since 1990, power companies have selected coal for merely 6% of new generation. Gas was the fuel for 77%, even as coal has been far more competitive than it is today."

"Now gas enjoys a huge price advantage, driven by the hydraulic-fracturing techno-revolution and the vast shale reserves of the greater Midwest. When gas is trading at $6 per million British thermal units, it is 50% cheaper than coal over the life of a power plant. Today, gas is trading near $2."

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Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41294 Nov 13, 2013
Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world's leading meteorological agency says.

In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.

The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.
Al Gore

Fullerton, CA

#41295 Nov 13, 2013
Under my plan, all global warming believers are put in a lockbox.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41296 Nov 14, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world's leading meteorological agency says.
In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.
The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.
Also; The public debate about the alleged “warming pause” was misguided from the outset, because far too much was read into a cherry-picked short-term trend. Now this debate has become completely baseless, because the trend of the last 15 or 16 years is nothing unusual – even despite the record El Niño year at the beginning of the period. It is still a quarter less than the warming trend since 1980, which is 0.16 °C per decade. But that’s not surprising when one starts with an extreme El Niño and ends with persistent La Niña conditions, and is also running through a particularly deep and prolonged solar minimum in the second half. As we often said, all this is within the usual variability around the long-term global warming trend and no cause for excited over-interpretation.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...
SpaceBlues

United States

#41297 Nov 14, 2013
Al Gore wrote:
Under my plan, all global warming believers are put in a lockbox.
Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows

A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate.[skepticalscience.com ]
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#41298 Nov 14, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Also; The public debate about the alleged “warming pause” was misguided from the outset, because far too much was read into a cherry-picked short-term trend. Now this debate has become completely baseless, because the trend of the last 15 or 16 years is nothing unusual – even despite the record El Niño year at the beginning of the period. It is still a quarter less than the warming trend since 1980, which is 0.16 °C per decade. But that’s not surprising when one starts with an extreme El Niño and ends with persistent La Niña conditions, and is also running through a particularly deep and prolonged solar minimum in the second half. As we often said, all this is within the usual variability around the long-term global warming trend and no cause for excited over-interpretation.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...
All this 'cut and paste' is a diversion from the point: It is a 'FACT' that CO2 is the MAIN driver of Global Warming and in the past 15+ years atmospheric CO2 has been rising at an Unprecedented Rate!!!

The theory is simple... and every science academy in the world agrees that temps must go up as CO2 goes up.
SpaceBlues

United States

#41299 Nov 14, 2013
Cut n Paste wrote:
<quoted text>
All this 'cut and paste' is a diversion from the point: It is a 'FACT' that CO2 is the MAIN driver of Global Warming and in the past 15+ years atmospheric CO2 has been rising at an Unprecedented Rate!!!
The theory is simple... and every science academy in the world agrees that temps must go up as CO2 goes up.
You are simple in your ignorance.. A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate.

Both of their new surface temperature data sets show significantly more warming over the past 16 years than HadCRUT4. This is mainly due to HadCRUT4 missing accelerated Arctic warming, especially since 1997.

Cowtan & Way investigate the claim of a global surface warming 'pause' over the past 16 years by examining the trends from 1997 through 2012. While HadCRUT4 only estimates the surface warming trend at 0.046°C per decade during that time, and NASA puts it at 0.080°C per decade, the new kriging and hybrid data sets estimate the trend during this time at 0.11 and 0.12°C per decade, respectively.

These results indicate that the slowed warming of average global surface temperature is not as significant as previously believed. Surface warming has slowed somewhat, in large part due to more overall global warming being transferred to the oceans over the past decade. However, these sorts of temporary surface warming slowdowns (and speed-ups) occur on a regular basis due to short-term natural influences.

The results of this study also have bearing on some recent research. For example, correcting for the recent cool bias indicates that global surface temperatures are not as far from the average of climate model projections as we previously thought, and certainly fall within the range of individual climate model temperature simulations. Recent studies that concluded the global climate is a bit less sensitive to the increased greenhouse effect than previously believed may also have somewhat underestimated the actual climate sensitivity.

Do you get it? Of course, NOT. It is your ideology.

There are many factors that influence our climate change knowledge and attitudes, including education, scientific literacy and personal experience. Political ideology has a significant influence on climate change beliefs. A striking demonstration of the powerful effect of ideology is the finding that as education levels increased, Democrats became more concerned about climate change while Republicans became less concerned. Ideology rather than education is the hand at the wheel driving climate attitudes.
litesong

Everett, WA

#41300 Nov 14, 2013
cut n pasted wrote:
The theory is simple... and every science academy in the world agrees that temps must go up as CO2 goes up.
You are a silly goose. GHGs(not just CO2) slow heat flow away from Earth, but climate variations can readily overcome GHG ability to slowly increase Earth surface temperatures. However, seasonal variations cyclically rise & fall, whereas INCREASING GHGs INCREASE their ability to retard Earth heat flow.

Yes, it is a simple theory. However, toxic topix AGW deniers still don't understand, since toxic topix AGW deniers have no science & mathematics degrees, & no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, or pre-calc in their poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.

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