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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#39799 Sep 26, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
you people are so stupid....
http://tinyurl.com/lf8nuk

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39800 Sep 26, 2013

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#39801 Sep 27, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Still you dodge.
Why give ol' Al and the President a pass?
Still rationalizing. Quit whining.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#39802 Sep 27, 2013
It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the major cause of global warming. That is pretty plain. The only question left is, What are we going to do about it"? Do we continue to blame Al gore etc., or are we going to internalize it and understand that we must quit listening to Fox, Anthony Watts, and the fat cats and do something about it?
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39803 Sep 27, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Still rationalizing. Quit whining.
Sooo close.

You almost were able to criticize the leaders of the global warming crusade, but you balked.

Joe Sixpack sees that as well. They heard the message, got the lo-flo toilets, the curly-cue lightbulbs, the low content packaging, the smaller (less safe) hi-mileage vehicles because that's what the "experts" were advising.

Yet the advocates kept saying,'That's fine, but you need to do more'.

More? What more can one do with limited budgets? Well, lets take a look at what others are doing? Maybe I can get some ideas from them. How about the 'leaders'?

Hmmm... private jets, SUV caravans, separate plane flights, 1 mile chauffeured trips .... huh?

Joe Sixpack wonders...'If they're the ones making the claims, shouldn't then be acting like it's really a crisis? Why do they get a pass? Why am I expected to further change my lifestyle but they don't?'

Oh... they're special, say you. They're leaders, and they're affluent. They're buying their carbon credits and don't have to abide by their own preaching.

Special? Wait a sec... they live on the same planet, don't they? This affects them as much as me, doesn't it? And they're the ones telling me what to do. What gives? I'm now responsible for offsetting their CO2 as well as my own?

B-b-b-but as you say, it's not about them and it's about you and the "science".

Ahh... OK. The 'science'. The 'science' they're preaching but not abiding, or is there a special 'science' for those special affluent leaders?

And from you? "Quit whining and shut up."

Sums it up pretty well I'd say.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39804 Sep 27, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Al Gore is killing people. His carbon foot print is wiping out hundreds by the day, right?
I'm beginning to think there's some kind of zombie programming going on with the warmists. They cannot criticize their leaders. They get close, then -SNAP!- ZOMBIE CONTROL takes over and they accuse you of anti-science, or some other nonsense. Anything to avoid having to make an admission of error on the part of "Dear Leader".
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39805 Sep 27, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the major cause of global warming. That is pretty plain. The only question left is, What are we going to do about it"? Do we continue to blame Al gore etc., or are we going to internalize it and understand that we must quit listening to Fox, Anthony Watts, and the fat cats and do something about it?
Hmmm... "extremely likely" brought to you by the folks whose temperature predictions were wrong, can't explain the current temperature pause and don't abide by their own science.

btw, Al Gore is fat cat.
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#39806 Sep 27, 2013
From the Bluefield Daily Telegraph
September 22, 2013

"Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell is increasingly becoming a vocal voice for coal in the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate. That makes him a friend of the coalfields of southern West Virginia and Southwest Virginia as well.

McConnell, who represents the coal-producing state of Kentucky, has refocused attention on coal in recent days by consolidating two bills that have been languishing in Congressional committees for months. McConnell once again offered them up for a vote last week on the Senate floor but without success.

McConnell’s efforts came one day before tough requirements for new coal-fired power plants were rolled out by the federal Environmental Protection Agency. The new EPA rules impose for the first time strict limits on pollution that the Obama administration blames for global warming. In order to meet the new standards, new coal-fired power plants would need to install expensive technology to capture carbon dioxide and bury it underground. No coal-fired power plant has done that yet, in large part because of the cost, the Associated Press reported last week.

The consolidated measure, which McConnell has dubbed the Saving Coal Jobs Act, would streamline the permitting process for opening or expanding coal mines by setting deadlines for the Environmental Protection Agency to act. It also would correctly block any new EPA carbon pollution mandates on coal-fired power plants.

You would think both common-sense measures would be fully embraced by the Senate. But they haven’t. And that’s a shame. Many in the U.S. Senate instead continue to follow the lead of President Barack Obama, who blames coal and other fossil fuels on climate change.

New federal Environmental Protection Agency regulations aimed at limiting global warming pollution would make it nearly impossible for companies to build new coal-fired plants in the U.S. Dozens more have already closed, or will be closing soon, including the Appalachian Power plant in Glen Lyn. Hundreds of good-paying jobs are being lost because of this administration’s stance on global warming — a science that is still debated in some circles. In fact, just last week it was reported that the heating of the Earth appears to have slowed down in the past 15 years even though greenhouse gas emissions have risen.

McConnell argues that Kentucky is facing a “genuine emergency” in terms of coal mining job losses in the state. Just last week the Virginia-based James River Coal announced it is laying off an additional 525 miners in the mountains of eastern Kentucky.

“The EPA’s actions ignore the thousands of people in my home state of Kentucky who depend on the coal industry for their livelihoods,” McConnell said.“In the year President Obama took office there were over 18,600 employed in the coal industry in my state. But as of September 2013, the number of persons employed at Kentucky coal mines is only 13,000.”

We would argue that the coalfields of West Virginia and Virginia, and all of the coal-producing states of Appalachia, are facing the same emergency that Kentucky is. The U.S. Senate should take up the Saving Coal Jobs Act now. This emergency legislation merits an immediate vote. It shouldn’t be left to languish in congressional committees in the U.S. Senate."

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39807 Sep 27, 2013
FuGyou wrote:
AGW doesn’t exist and we can all relax.
AGW does exist, but it's minuscule, see:

POGA H: 0.68C (natural plus anthropogenic)
POGA C: 0.4C (natural internal variability only)

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39808 Sep 27, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>AGW does exist, but it's minuscule, see:
POGA H: 0.68C (natural plus anthropogenic)
POGA C: 0.4C (natural internal variability only)
If you're going to cut'n paste from a blog, at least put in a link.

These are short term trends of a decade or so and say nothing about the long term trend.

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/28/pause-tied-...

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39809 Sep 27, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm beginning to think there's some kind of zombie programming going on with the warmists. They cannot criticize their leaders. They get close, then -SNAP!- ZOMBIE CONTROL takes over and they accuse you of anti-science, or some other nonsense. Anything to avoid having to make an admission of error on the part of "Dear Leader".
just part of the jack-of-all-science...master of none climate warm mongering. World citizen politics and not much else to this b.s.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39810 Sep 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7G_zSos8w_IXX
so....is this your excuse for not being able to support your belief in man made glow bull warming even though you demand it's happening while observations say the opposite?
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#39811 Sep 27, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the major cause of global warming. That is pretty plain. The only question left is, What are we going to do about it"?
Exactly.

See? That is the debate based on the agreed facts. The Earth is warming. Now what we do about it is what we have been doing for the last 9000 years: benefit from it, of course!

As has been said many times: enjoying GW now and look forward to GW in the future. After all... Warmer is better than colder.

For those whose religious beliefs require an "ACDDCGCD" apocalypse, the above action clearly is blasphemous.

Please forgive me if I have offended any delicate sensibilities of the faithful.

Of course I welcome a counterpoint based on science or reason but do not relish the prospect of suffering insults of the pious.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39812 Sep 27, 2013
NASA MAPs.. Want to know where people are most likely to die prematurely due to air pollution?

NASA recently recently released a map showing the average number of deaths per year per 1,000 square kilometers (385 square miles) that can be attributed to fine particle matter pollution.

Researchers compared pollution levels over a 150-year span, beginning in 1850 and ending in 2000. The dark brown areas on the map, shown prominently in Asia, India, Europe and parts of Africa, indicate locations with the highest rates of premature deaths due to air pollution.

Blue areas, as seen in the southeast United States and parts of South America, indicate areas that have seen air quality improve and the number of deaths due to air pollution decline.

Why are so many areas getting worse? According to NASA, that can be attributed to increased industrialization and urbanization. As to the areas in blue that have seen air quality improve from 1850 to 2000, researchers suggest that a decrease in biomass burning is the cause.

The research used to create the map comes from University of North Carolina professor Jason West. Published in Environmental Research Letters, the study estimated that roughly 2.1 million deaths per year could be attributed to fine particle matter pollution alone.

What's fine particle matter? The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) defines it as "a complex mixture of extremely small particles and liquid droplets." Particle matter that is 10 micrometers in diameter or smaller is particularly worrisome "because those are the particles that generally pass through the throat and nose and enter the lungs," according to the EPA.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39813 Sep 27, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>To another:

so....is this your excuse for not being able to support your belief in man made glow bull warming even though you demand it's happening while observations say the opposite?
LIAR.

You lie and lie without evidence. Your observations don't count! Science tells it like it is.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39814 Sep 27, 2013
IPCC contributors share in Nobel Peace Prize

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/staffnotes...

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#39815 Sep 27, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
IPCC contributors share in Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.ucar.edu/communications/staffnotes...
All the contributors share in the prize. However, the RW nut cases understand this about the same as they do the erroneous statement, "AL Gore said that he INVENTED the internet." Mostly just a lot of stupid noise.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#39816 Sep 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
No, IF the arctic ice made a recovery to 20th century levels, I'd say that AGW didn’t exist and we could all relax.
No you wouldn't, because the AGW scientists would then claim they predicted a recovery, but that it's only temporary.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#39817 Sep 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Put it another way, it's 300 billion tons of ice lost every year.
Nobody measures sea level rise to determine how much ice has melted of course- it's done by gravity measuring satellites.
0.04 inches per year is more than three and a half inches by the end of the century- that's assuming the rate of increase is not still increasing.
And that's just on top of sea level rise due to thermal expansion.
Your post illustrates the mental contortions deniers like you go through to
reduce the numbers to "statistically zero" in your minds.
Funny, this is what NASA has to say about the satellite data observations…Although the results of the analysis have concluded that the Earth’s ice sheets are melting at the alarming rate of 300 billion tons per year, the report indicates that satellite data obtained of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets is insufficient to determine whether the acceleration of the melting ice will continue at the same rate, resulting in the need for more satellite analysis.

http://www.satellitetoday.com/publications/st...

Funny how you think SLR can only stay the same or go up. Never crosses your mind that it could go down too?
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#39818 Sep 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
No, because they don't follow the evidence, misrepresent the science, have their back pockets stuffed full of fossil fuel cash, are religious nuts, or are vain sour faced attention seeking prunes.
Fairgame getting talking points from his alarmist blogs, trashes scientists, and then gets mad if someone says something mean about poor old Michael Mann.

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