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There are 60658 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37496 Jul 28, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
...you people...
Coal is King wrote:
...you people.
Sock puppet alert!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37497 Jul 28, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Ok I'll play just this once...
In the ENSO it is too!
Fair Game wrote:
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O'RLY?
Please show me a graph.
Not playing after all, huh?
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37498 Jul 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Not playing after all, huh?
Could you post the information you have on the enso-adjusted temperatures for the 15-year time frame?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#37499 Jul 29, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act was passed by a partisan vote.The bill then moved to a joint conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. Democrats agreed to support the bill after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the anti-redlining Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns; the conference committee then finished its work by the beginning of November. On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8, and by the House 362-57. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Blil...
As you see, the bill was veto proof. This was after the conservative mantra reenforced by the right wing media that if the market was turned loose, everything would be utopian.
LOL.....so now it was bi-partisan instead of conservative? Why do you need to lie, son??

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#37500 Jul 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Sock puppet alert!
you trolls...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37501 Jul 29, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Regarding the illegals, how can we blame just the companies who hire the illegals when there are sanctuary cities all over the country who flagrantly violated the law of the land, giving handouts to all? Don’t you think that had a lot to do with the illegals coming over?
I see. You are so uncaring that you wouldn't mind letting them suffer. Rather cold aren't you? The masses take care of their needs while the companies exploit their labor. Neat arrangement.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37502 Jul 29, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>LOL.....so now it was bi-partisan instead of conservative? Why do you need to lie, son??
I never lied. The attitude of the RW folks was projected to the country through the RW media with the Limbaughites. It is justice that Limbaugh is losing sponsors and carriers today. The Democrats are politicians like the Republicans and do what they think will get them votes. Most all of them,R and D are parasites. However you cut it, the regulations on banks were attacked by the R since inception.

They are doing the same thing today by attacking science.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37503 Jul 29, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Could you post the information you have on the enso-adjusted temperatures for the 15-year time frame?
Here you go.

http://www.moyhu.org.s3.amazonaws.com/trend/N...

As you can see, the trend for the last 10 years might be flat, but the trend over the last 15 years is positive.

A ten year pause in ENSO-adjusted temperatures is not unusual in the models, according to the report *you* cited, in fact such pauses are predicted by the models.

A 15 year pause in unadjusted temperatures is not unusual according to the report B as in B S as in S cited, in fact such a pause is to be expected twice a century.

According to the reports you two cited, for a pause to be unusual, it would have to be 15 years in the ENSO-adjusted temperatures, or 20 years in the adjusted temperatures.

The current pause is not unexpected according to either report.

Trying to use a 15 year period in unadjusted temperatures to claim the models are off according to a report which talks about adjusted temperatures shows either ignorance or mendacity.

I have explained where you misunderstood, so you now have no reason to repeat the same claim except mendacity.

So, are you prepared to accept the scientific report *you* chose to cite, or are you a liar who will continue to misuse it to make false claims?
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#37504 Jul 29, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Glad you value land as zero & that the land of america was a wasteland.......so you can say the federal gov't did not subsidize railroads.
We now know how re-pubic-lick-uns view land.....
Yes. Land has zero value until it is made productive. It does not even have potential value until it is made accessible to the markets. The railroads made the worthless land of the American West accessible. The railroads, not the government, gave it potential value. The settlers who bought it from the railroads gave it real value when the made it productive. The settlers who got the adjacent free land from the government under the Homestead Act got a free ride from the railroads and the settlers who bought their land.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#37505 Jul 29, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
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It's bad enough that you people are always promoting bad ideas, but when things go wrong.....you blame others for your decisions.
You're right! Those Democrats sure are different.

Remember when the Trade towers collapsed? The 1st thing The Republican POTUS did was to accept full responsibility for not keeping this country safe from terrorism. Oh... and it was the "True" American Patriots who got on TV and told The People that we needed the NSA: another new level of bureaucracy in our ever larger federal government.

Yup. "You people" are sure a bunch o' smart fellas.
Bargeman

Hopkinsville, KY

#37506 Jul 29, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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You're right! Those Democrats sure are different.
Remember when the Trade towers collapsed? The 1st thing The Republican POTUS did was to accept full responsibility for not keeping this country safe from terrorism. Oh... and it was the "True" American Patriots who got on TV and told The People that we needed the NSA: another new level of bureaucracy in our ever larger federal government.
Yup. "You people" are sure a bunch o' smart fellas.
Yep, you sure are a smart fella.

The NSA was established on November 4, 1952, over 60 years ago, during the administration of President Harry S. Truman.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37507 Jul 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Here you go.
http://www.moyhu.org.s3.amazonaws.com/trend/N...
As you can see, the trend for the last 10 years might be flat, but the trend over the last 15 years is positive.
A ten year pause in ENSO-adjusted temperatures is not unusual in the models, according to the report *you* cited, in fact such pauses are predicted by the models.
A 15 year pause in unadjusted temperatures is not unusual according to the report B as in B S as in S cited, in fact such a pause is to be expected twice a century.
According to the reports you two cited, for a pause to be unusual, it would have to be 15 years in the ENSO-adjusted temperatures, or 20 years in the adjusted temperatures.
The current pause is not unexpected according to either report.
Trying to use a 15 year period in unadjusted temperatures to claim the models are off according to a report which talks about adjusted temperatures shows either ignorance or mendacity.
I have explained where you misunderstood, so you now have no reason to repeat the same claim except mendacity.
So, are you prepared to accept the scientific report *you* chose to cite, or are you a liar who will continue to misuse it to make false claims?
Again, could you please post the information you have on the ENSO-ADJUSTED temperatures for the last 15 years. You posted the NOAA adjusted and unadjusted temperatures. NOAA's adjusted temperatures take these 5 factors into account:

1. Time of observation.
2. Change in maximum/minimum thermometers used.
3. Changes in station siting.
4. Filling in missing data from individual station records.
5. UHI effects.

Nothing about adjusting for ENSO.

NOAA used the the Method of Thompson to come up with Enso-Adjusted temperatures in the 2008 State of Climate Report I posted. As you obviously have that information available to you, again I ask could you please post it.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37508 Jul 29, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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I see. You are so uncaring that you wouldn't mind letting them suffer. Rather cold aren't you? The masses take care of their needs while the companies exploit their labor. Neat arrangement.
Focus, focus, focus....let's stay on topic and get away from the histrionics.

You asked this: "What caused the illegals in the country? We cannot blame the impoverished folks from Mexico. They just want to provide for themselves. The problem has been those who knowingly hire them because they can exploit them for profit. Otherwise we could have brought them across in a legal manner."

I was only stating that couldn't there be other reasons for the Mexicans to cross the border, like sanctuary cities offering handouts? I made no mention of wanting people to suffer. It was just an observation. When a Mexican crosses the border, they know exactly what they are getting into. The companies can't exploit someone who willingly breaks the law to come here knowing they will get low pay. So why are they leaving Mexico if our wages are so crappy? Is it because they have lower wages in Mexico? Is it because the Mexican government is so corrupt that it is unable to take care of its own? Is it because the standard of living is so low in Mexico, that coming to America is an upgrade? But anyway, per your logic, companies who DON'T hire illegals are the ones who want to see people suffer. If a company doesn't hire an illegal, they are just COLD, depriving an illegal money to help their families in crappy Mexico.
SpaceBlues

United States

#37509 Jul 29, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>To another poster:
Again, could you please post the information you have on the ENSO-ADJUSTED temperatures for the last 15 years. You posted the NOAA adjusted and unadjusted temperatures. NOAA's adjusted temperatures take these 5 factors into account:
1. Time of observation.
2. Change in maximum/minimum thermometers used.
3. Changes in station siting.
4. Filling in missing data from individual station records.
5. UHI effects.
Nothing about adjusting for ENSO.
NOAA used the the Method of Thompson to come up with Enso-Adjusted temperatures in the 2008 State of Climate Report I posted. As you obviously have that information available to you, again I ask could you please post it.
Who cares!

Your interest is strictly nontopical here. Do you support ninety million tons of daily man-made emissions into our atmosphere?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#37510 Jul 29, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Who cares! Your interest is strictly nontopical here. Do you support ninety million tons of daily man-made emissions into our atmosphere?
We exhale CO2 too, don't forget to add that in.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37511 Jul 29, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Focus, focus, focus....let's stay on topic and get away from the histrionics.
You asked this: "What caused the illegals in the country? We cannot blame the impoverished folks from Mexico. They just want to provide for themselves. The problem has been those who knowingly hire them because they can exploit them for profit. Otherwise we could have brought them across in a legal manner."
I was only stating that couldn't there be other reasons for the Mexicans to cross the border, like sanctuary cities offering handouts? I made no mention of wanting people to suffer. It was just an observation. When a Mexican crosses the border, they know exactly what they are getting into. The companies can't exploit someone who willingly breaks the law to come here knowing they will get low pay. So why are they leaving Mexico if our wages are so crappy? Is it because they have lower wages in Mexico? Is it because the Mexican government is so corrupt that it is unable to take care of its own? Is it because the standard of living is so low in Mexico, that coming to America is an upgrade? But anyway, per your logic, companies who DON'T hire illegals are the ones who want to see people suffer. If a company doesn't hire an illegal, they are just COLD, depriving an illegal money to help their families in crappy Mexico.
That is the reason they are here, because someone wants them here. Otherwise the borders would be sealed.
SpaceBlues

United States

#37512 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We exhale CO2 too, don't forget to add that in.
Why?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37513 Jul 29, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Yes. Land has zero value until it is made productive. It does not even have potential value until it is made accessible to the markets. The railroads made the worthless land of the American West accessible. The railroads, not the government, gave it potential value. The settlers who bought it from the railroads gave it real value when the made it productive. The settlers who got the adjacent free land from the government under the Homestead Act got a free ride from the railroads and the settlers who bought their land.
The government also made low interest loans to them because the RR's could not get enough capital to lay the track.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#37514 Jul 29, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Yes. Land has zero value until it is made productive. It does not even have potential value until it is made accessible to the markets. The railroads made the worthless land of the American West accessible. The railroads, not the government, gave it potential value. The settlers who bought it from the railroads gave it real value when the made it productive. The settlers who got the adjacent free land from the government under the Homestead Act got a free ride from the railroads and the settlers who bought their land.
You mean "valuable" only in the capitalist sense, I assume. Land with trees, vegetation, natural beauty, and native peoples on it obviously isn't "worthless."

Settlement of the West has ruined large parts of it, thank goodness that leaders like Teddy Roosevelt put aside large tracts to be free from capitalist "development" that would've destroyed it.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#37515 Jul 29, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Yes. Land has zero value until it is made productive.
total nonsense. Land ALWAYS has a 'real value' of potential use. Giving it away was a REAL giveaway. And led to the massive profits of the Rockefeller's, etc. Not to mention the anti-trust laws that were necessary to get the government back in control after they gave away so much to a small cadre of entitled elite. That is one danger of government help. They may make a bunch of sociopaths powerful and without retraint. It probably was a major factor in WW2 as well (half the german war supplies came from these guys. Did they care? Nope. They were backing germany to ensure that labor unions couldn't form. They got their wish. No labor unions in the prison camps and slave pits of the third reich.. but they lost in the US (where they were also active).

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