Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 61109 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Truth Seeker

Stratford, CT

#21556 Mar 26, 2010
Is the globe really warming?

Is the earth warming? It sounds more and more unlikely, if you listen to the blithe rhetoric from global warming skeptics who claim that it isn’t, since the hottest year on record is 1998. It would be nice, though, if skeptics spent more time attacking real arguments as opposed to the straw men they prefer to mangle.

Given the complexity of earth systems, particularly the interaction between the atmosphere and the oceans, climate scientists aren’t expecting to measure a warming world in smooth, even, year-on-year temperature increases. Looking only at one-off peaks such as 1998 gives you a distorted view of global temperature.(That year, for example, saw a notably large El Nino effect, which transferred energy from the heat-storing Pacific Ocean into the atmosphere.) Instead, it’s longer-term trends that deserve attention.

For example: the World Meteorological Organization’s report on global climate released Thursday, which confirms NASA findings that the previous decade was, indeed, the warmest on record. And that fits into a longer-term trend: the 2000’s were warmer than the 1990s; the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s, etc. Studies that examine heat content not just of surface air, but of the oceans, which can store lots of energy, look even more concerning.

It’s true that, when talking climate, it’s better to examine even longer-term scales than a mere few decades. Peaks and troughs could be many years long. Which is among the reasons climate scientists have done so much work constructing historical temperature records using measures such as tree rings. But at the very least, it would be nice for climate-change skeptics to resist running to the opposite extreme, citing 1998 or, even worse, Washington’s “snowmageddon” as evidence that the science is more suspect than it is.

GodsOutlaw1964

Since: Mar 10

Charlottesville, VA

#21557 Mar 26, 2010
mememine69 wrote:
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Yes good old "belief". Priests believe in God. Globull doomers believe we are stonger than Nature's powers. AGW makes a virtue out of no evidence or proof just like religion.
Well again God declared in Gen. 8:22 (KJV)'while the earth remaineth seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.' has any one of these ceased in your area?
Truth Seeker

Stratford, CT

#21558 Mar 26, 2010
Dealing in Doubt:

The Climate Denial Industry and Climate Science
A Brief History of Attacks on Climate Science,
Climate Scientists and the IPCC

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/interna...

“"Beau-Se'ant”

Since: Jan 09

Manchester

#21559 Mar 26, 2010
Truth Seeker wrote:
Dealing in Doubt:
The Climate Denial Industry and Climate Science
A Brief History of Attacks on Climate Science,
Climate Scientists and the IPCC
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/interna...
A Greenpeace worker, researching global warming?:
http://www.wetasschronicles.com/FrozenFace.jp...
Truth Seeker

Stratford, CT

#21560 Mar 26, 2010
What will happen if we don’t act to reduce emissions?

If emissions continue to grow at present rates, CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is likely to reach twice pre-industrial levels by around 2050. Unless we limit emissions, global temperature could rise as much as 7 °C avove pre-industrial temperature by the end of the century and push many of the world’s great ecosystems (such as coral reefs and rainforests) to irreversible decline.

Even if global temperatures rise by only 2 °C, 20–30% of species could face extinction. We can expect to see serious effects on our environment, food and water supplies, and health

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/gui...
Truth Seeker

Stratford, CT

#21561 Mar 26, 2010
Climate Denial Crock of the Week - 2009 Ice Update

The 2009 ice melt season has just been completed at the northern polar cap, and observations confirm that the arctic ocean ice cover is continuing a steady decline.
The last three melt seasons represent the 3 lowest summer ice areas in the satellite record.
Satellite measurements of total summer ice surface have been on a downward slope for 3 decades. In 2007, ice area suffered a spectacular and unpredicted
slump. In the last 2 years, summer expanse rebounded from the catastrophic collapse, to
mere precipitous decline.

http://www.xool.tv/climatetv/archive/SiVCQg==...
Truth Seeker

Stratford, CT

#21562 Mar 26, 2010
Q&A with Peter Sinclair - LIVE!
Join us for a live presentation of Climate Denial Crock of the Week this Thursday, March 25 at 6:00pm Pacific. ClimateTV's Kim Thee will host a live interactive session with creator/producer Peter Sinclair after the show

http://www.xool.tv/climatetv/archive/TyVCMCVF...

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#21563 Mar 26, 2010
GodsOutlaw1964 wrote:
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Well again God declared in Gen. 8:22 (KJV)'while the earth remaineth seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.' has any one of these ceased in your area?
When voters crawl to the voting booths in a real experienced climate crisis, only then will the "scientists" and the enviro Gods wishes be approved by the consensus that really counts; voter consensus. With climate change, voters are the Gods who control how climate policy will involve OUR personal sacrifices and paying more taxes for a false enviro war.
Other than that, let's have Happy Hour, not Hide In the Dark Hour like cave men.
Ah life is good eh?

“The world as I know it”

Since: Dec 06

Sydney

#21564 Mar 26, 2010
Fair Game wrote:
skeptical science is a crap site lol

Since: Jun 09

Scrotum, Idaho

#21565 Mar 26, 2010
Truth Seeker wrote:
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What will happen if we don’t act to reduce emissions?
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Al Gore and the global warming wonks will stop crying "wolf"?
GEEWIZ

Campbellsville, KY

#21566 Mar 26, 2010
QUOTE who="Truth Seeker"]What will happen if we don’t act to reduce emissions? EARTH will be the same in20 years and we will have a lot more money and OPEC WILL have a lot LESS. ELECTRIC will be cheaper+ a lot more jobs economy will be booming AIR will be cleaner because we have more MONEY to invest in making emissions cleaner WITHOUT EPA job robbing help
Northie

Spokane, WA

#21567 Mar 26, 2010
GEEWIZ wrote:
QUOTE who="Truth Seeker"]What will happen if we don’t act to reduce emissions? EARTH will be the same in20 years and we will have a lot more money and OPEC WILL have a lot LESS. ELECTRIC will be cheaper+ a lot more jobs economy will be booming AIR will be cleaner because we have more MONEY to invest in making emissions cleaner WITHOUT EPA job robbing help
If we don't act to reduce emissions we'll simply pay much, much more to fix the problem in the future--and probably the near future at that.

Here's the deal: McKinsey and Stern estimate that reducing emissions enough would cost 0.4-2% of GDP, while NOT reducing them runs a strong chance of costing more than 20% of GDP--assuming that nuclear war does not break out, which it very well might.

Read for yourself:

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/sternreview_sum...

Since: Jun 09

Scrotum, Idaho

#21568 Mar 26, 2010
Northie wrote:
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McKinsey and Stern estimate that reducing emissions enough would cost 0.4-2% of GDP, while NOT reducing them runs a strong chance of costing more than 20% of GDP--assuming that nuclear war does not break out, which it very well might.
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Oh, so now if we don't throw trillions of dollars at global warming a nuclear war will occur.

That's a new one.

Got to give it to the global warming wonks - they never hesitate to predict the most horrific outcomes.
GEEWIZ

Campbellsville, KY

#21569 Mar 26, 2010
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
If we don't act to reduce emissions we'll simply pay much, much more to fix the problem in the future--and probably the near future at that.
Here's the deal: McKinsey and Stern estimate that reducing emissions enough would cost 0.4-2% of GDP, while NOT reducing them runs a strong chance of costing more than 20% of GDP--assuming that nuclear war does not break out, which it very well might.
Read for yourself:
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/sternreview_sum...
sorry northie putting people out of work because of a wild guess is not wise.NO ONE knows what MOTHER EARTH IS GOING to do in the future BUT most people know green talk is destroying our ECONOMY.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#21570 Mar 26, 2010
GodsOutlaw1964 wrote:
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No I'm not missing the point, the issue is of Global Warming and its lies in relation to Gods word of Gen. 8:22 'while the earth remaineth seedtime and harvest, cold and heat,summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease. as for any lost books there is none, that makes it sound like God can't keep up with his own books, but even more so I'll heed the council of Gods word of Rev. 22:18 (KJV)
'For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
as for modern translations there a proven counterfeit.
The book is mentioned in the Bible, old and new translations: if you can't find it, it's lost, dude.

You think AGW is not real because of the line you quote? People thought the lines I quoted proved the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun went round the Earth.

Those people had to change their view in the light of the evidence, or went mad, or died in their mistaken beliefs.

So will you.

Christians used to insist that lines from the Bible proved the

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#21571 Mar 26, 2010
‘Scepticism is not believing what someone tells you, investigating all the information before coming to a conclusion. Scepticism is a good thing. Global warming scepticism is not that. It’s the complete opposite of that. It’s coming to a preconceived conclusion and cherry-picking the information that backs up your opinion. Global warming scepticism isn’t scepticism at all.’

John Cook

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#21572 Mar 26, 2010
Dealing in Doubt

The climate denial industry and climate science - a brief history of attacks on climate science, climate scientists and the IPCC.
This report describes 20 years of organised attacks on climate science, scientists and the IPCC. It sets out some of the key moments in this campaign of denial started by the fossil fuel industry, and traces them to their sources.

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#21574 Mar 27, 2010
Northie wrote:
My own climate hypothesis: as science deniers have fewer other places to turn, their population on Topix grows, much as sink scum circles a drain.
Call it the "Greasetrap Hypothesis".
If you know of any other place where a large number of your kind gathers online to discuss things like this then please tell us. Because I have noticed a shrinking number of alarmist out there. I would love some fresh hunting grounds populated by those like yourself.

Hence trhe reason many come here must be that the numbers of alarmist or at least willing to admit to it online is shrinking so those wishing to continue to educate you must go where the need is.

Since: Jan 09

United States

#21575 Mar 27, 2010
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
The unnamed Biblical literalist was the Catholic church.
As I said, "It matters not what some unnamed "bible literalists" said or continue to say." even if you now identify them.

Since: Jan 09

United States

#21576 Mar 27, 2010
Fair Game wrote:
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You miss the point that Biblical literalists took those quotes to mean that the earth is the centre of the universe and that the sun moves round the Earth.
In the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary, those people either gave up their literal interpretation or went mad.
Ask Galileo who comes off best in the end: those who look for how the world works in the Bible, or those who look to science.
The book of Jashar is a lost Old Testament text mentioned in the Bible.
'Book of the Upright' in modern translations.
Reference to the "Book of Jashar" at Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:17 in no way establishes "Jashar" as a lost book of the old testament or Hebrew scriptures. There are many other "books" and records referred to in the canonical books of the Bible including extensive genealogies and legal records such a Luke referred to. These were extant at the time of reference and served as resources to the contemporary reader.

That some have used the reference in Joshua as an "evidence" of a terra centric universe does not establish that as a correct interpretation of the text. Indeed, just at the Hittites and others were once lost to history except in the Bible only to be "found" by later archeological discovery, there remain some passages not fully explainable by the current extent of modern knowledge.

If you chose to dismiss it as "fantasy", so be it. If others are more patient, all credit to them.

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