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Calif. Lawmaker: Leadership Could Free Marine Jailed in Mexico

There are 24 comments on the News Max story from Aug 25, 2014, titled Calif. Lawmaker: Leadership Could Free Marine Jailed in Mexico. In it, News Max reports that:

The U.S. Marine jailed in Mexico for crossing the border with firearms has no advocate in either country's government willing to step up and get him released, a California assemblyman organizing a protest on Sgt.

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Matthew

Livingston, MT

#1 Aug 26, 2014
This guy was staying in a hotel in Tijuana, that was exclusively geared toward prostitution, and in consequence, he was in immediate contact with members of organized crime. He had guns in the trunk of his car, in the parking lot just across the border in San Ysidro, and went to pick them up and drive back into Mexico
He'd spent quite a bit of time in Tijuana, and so he would have to have known, if only from the prominent signs on the freeway as one approaches the border, that smuggling firearms, especially military firearms, is a serious violation of the law -- he looks really, really GUILTY. And his utterances thus far, don't hold water. He's a liar.
80,000 plus Mexican people have been murdered, and twice that many disappeared, in the last five years from Drug War violence, many of them in Tijuana, mostly with guns brought in from the US. Mexico is a sovereign country and they have a right to protect their citizens. Let him rot.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#2 Aug 26, 2014
Matthew wrote:
This guy was staying in a hotel in Tijuana, that was exclusively geared toward prostitution, and in consequence, he was in immediate contact with members of organized crime. He had guns in the trunk of his car, in the parking lot just across the border in San Ysidro, and went to pick them up and drive back into Mexico
He'd spent quite a bit of time in Tijuana, and so he would have to have known, if only from the prominent signs on the freeway as one approaches the border, that smuggling firearms, especially military firearms, is a serious violation of the law -- he looks really, really GUILTY. And his utterances thus far, don't hold water. He's a liar.
80,000 plus Mexican people have been murdered, and twice that many disappeared, in the last five years from Drug War violence, many of them in Tijuana, mostly with guns brought in from the US. Mexico is a sovereign country and they have a right to protect their citizens. Let him rot.
I feel the same way you do. I just believe in equality if we are going to be fair trading partners, and have better relations with each other.

Yes the guns are killing people in Mexico. But also the drugs are killing people in the USA. Both are ruining lives. Drugs and guns are hurting people in both countries. There is almost 100 people that die from drugs each day in the USA.

If this man is guilty of the charges he does not care about people, and was just interested in the money. Just as the Mexican drug cartels are not interested in the people, but also just the money.
Those drugs are distributed to gangs in the USA and it is the same effect as in Mexico. Guns killing people.

Should the USA let drug dealers, including women crossing drugs, and other Mexican citizens rot in prison? They do not. They get a sentence and they do not do life. Many are just turned around and sent back on their first offense. Many of these men after released keep crossing the border and selling drugs, committing crimes and they still do not rot in jail.

The biggest problem is the USA does not have enough money and space to house all the criminal activity crossing into the USA. Not much is crossing into Mexico by Americans. But it should be dealt out evenly. He did something illegal and they should deal with him fairly.

Make an agreement with Mexico that if he is returned that he will have to spend 5 years in an American prison. Send the Mexican drug dealers and criminals back to Mexico with the same agreement. Obviously this will not happen. But nothing about the drug war is fair and even handed.
Matthew

Livingston, MT

#3 Aug 26, 2014
Concerned wrote:
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I feel the same way you do. I just believe in equality if we are going to be fair trading partners, and have better relations with each other.
Yes the guns are killing people in Mexico. But also the drugs are killing people in the USA. Both are ruining lives. Drugs and guns are hurting people in both countries. There is almost 100 people that die from drugs each day in the USA.
If this man is guilty of the charges he does not care about people, and was just interested in the money. Just as the Mexican drug cartels are not interested in the people, but also just the money.
Those drugs are distributed to gangs in the USA and it is the same effect as in Mexico. Guns killing people.
Should the USA let drug dealers, including women crossing drugs, and other Mexican citizens rot in prison? They do not. They get a sentence and they do not do life. Many are just turned around and sent back on their first offense. Many of these men after released keep crossing the border and selling drugs, committing crimes and they still do not rot in jail.
The biggest problem is the USA does not have enough money and space to house all the criminal activity crossing into the USA. Not much is crossing into Mexico by Americans. But it should be dealt out evenly. He did something illegal and they should deal with him fairly.
Make an agreement with Mexico that if he is returned that he will have to spend 5 years in an American prison. Send the Mexican drug dealers and criminals back to Mexico with the same agreement. Obviously this will not happen. But nothing about the drug war is fair and even handed.
The Drug War in Mexico was made in the US. And any Mexican, or any person really outside US borders, who worries about pot use in the States needs to see a psychiatrist.
Anyway, I'm not here to talk about the Drug War, per se. Smuggling in weapons to Mexico is a serious violation of the law, and I'm sure anyone caught smuggling assault rifles into the US would be made to wish they'd never been born, and would end up rotting in prison too.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#5 Aug 26, 2014
I meant profiling if they were going to cross it into Mexico. It is in the last paragraph.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#6 Aug 27, 2014
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel the same way you do. I just believe in equality if we are going to be fair trading partners, and have better relations with each other.
Yes the guns are killing people in Mexico. But also the drugs are killing people in the USA. Both are ruining lives. Drugs and guns are hurting people in both countries. There is almost 100 people that die from drugs each day in the USA.
If this man is guilty of the charges he does not care about people, and was just interested in the money. Just as the Mexican drug cartels are not interested in the people, but also just the money.
Those drugs are distributed to gangs in the USA and it is the same effect as in Mexico. Guns killing people.
Should the USA let drug dealers, including women crossing drugs, and other Mexican citizens rot in prison? They do not. They get a sentence and they do not do life. Many are just turned around and sent back on their first offense. Many of these men after released keep crossing the border and selling drugs, committing crimes and they still do not rot in jail.
The biggest problem is the USA does not have enough money and space to house all the criminal activity crossing into the USA. Not much is crossing into Mexico by Americans. But it should be dealt out evenly. He did something illegal and they should deal with him fairly.
Make an agreement with Mexico that if he is returned that he will have to spend 5 years in an American prison. Send the Mexican drug dealers and criminals back to Mexico with the same agreement. Obviously this will not happen. But nothing about the drug war is fair and even handed.
Mexico doesn't have "for life" sentences, or death penalty. the current limit is around 60 years.
There are Mexicans incarcerated and rotting in US prisons, there have also been Mexicans who received death penalty and were even denied consular assistance, another example of USA's lack of consistency when it comes to international law.

Countries which have had their criminals sent back usually release them as soon as they land in the airport. France released the agents which bombed a Greenpeace ship in New Zealand and which New Zealand released after France threatened with an economic boycott, Canada did the same to Mexico for a citizen charged with fraud which they even flew back to their country in first class, there was a criminal who made an elaborated plan to escape a Mexican prison and the US media even made a book and movie about him. Mexico also had to drop all charges against Cassez knowing that the French would release her anyway once she landed in France. And there was even this White Guy, an Italian-Belgian, who worked in a Hutu supremacist radio station and was charged as instigator in the Tutsi genocide, who was arrested in Rwanda and Italy put pressure promising that he will do full term in an Italian prison ...even that monster was released once he was back in his own country.

I have even seen this show "Banged Up Abroad". In the episodes I saw the protagonists are clearly perpetrating a crime, and yet the story is shown as if they were the victims.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#7 Aug 27, 2014
The solution I would like is if the custom offices at the border had an special department so that their citizens can put things that are considered illegal in the other country there, and get them back when they return to their country. If someone really accidentally drive to the border with weapons he can leave them there and everyone would be happy. If he refuses to leave them there then he is definitively a weapon smuggler and can be arrested.

You know how some stores allow you to leave goods at the entrance get a ticket for them, and once you leave the store use the ticket to get them back? is the same principle.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#8 Aug 27, 2014
They do have life sentences now. Kidnappers who kill or torture rape and beat their victims now get life sentences in Mexico. Even at 60 years that is a life sentence with no chance of early release. There is no way they could survive 60 years in a Mexican prison.

Those in American prisons are not really rotting. In fact the money that is being spent to incarcerate them costs more in a year than most people make on the outside. They actually have pretty good treatment. I have seen the inside of prisons in Mexico. Extremely poor conditions. Calderon just proposed the other day, that if people want to visit a person they must pay 300 pesos per person, per visit just to see them. Nobody here wants to go to Prison in Mexico. They do things to prisoners that they cannot get away with in American prisons. If you had to do time where would you choose to be? Unless you were a captive big time drug dealer. they want to stay in Mexican prisons. They definitely live better than most people on the outside. Yet they are still suing because they feel they are getting poor treatment. Prisoners are even extorting Mexican citizens from prison phones in Mexico.

Most people in Mexico want the death penalty instated. I know from your previous posts that you are not opposed to that. Neither am I.

They were put in American prisons because they were killers. Not drug dealers or smugglers. I know they have not allowed at times consular assistance. They have an agreement with Mexico that if they are returned from Mexico that they cannot be subject to the death penalty in the USA. In the USA they get to see a judge right away, and the council is provided if they cannot afford one. Which usually they cannot afford one. Consular service usually does no good. They usually tell them they are in another country and they can do nothing. Usually it comes from ground roots and news articles. Then pressure from some government official at times once it gets too big.

I know at times they did not get consular assistance in the USA, but eventually they did. In Mexico you go right to jail, no bail. You are guilty and have to prove your innocence. You may have to wait a long time to even see a judge. Sometimes months, just to find out your charges, let alone a person from the consulate.

It would really help if Mexico would have the people do like they do in the USA. Each car goes to an agent and they ask them if they have anything to declare. I have had the green light the last 11 times I have crossed into Mexico when I had nothing to declare. That way this case against the soldier would prove his guilt.

I like your last idea for sure. I have traveled with a gun, and actually had to bury it in the USA after having a last minute decision to cross into Mexico. Then I picked it back up when I have returned.

Having a box to leave things in is a great idea. But governments do not work on good ideas and common sense. My dad worked for the US government. He said he showed them a way in which they could save a millions of dollars per year. He was surprised at their attitude. They dd not like changes and basically told him to just do his job. Ironically he was in procurement and contract negotiations for the US government. He accepted bids on up to billion dollar contracts with Taiwan, Saudi Arabia and Germany. His objective was to get it done cheaper with the lowest bid contract he could get. Go figure.

IN 2001, the Mexican Supreme Court stated that all persons sentenced to life imprisonment or a lengthy prison term (such as 300 years in prison) must become eligible for parole after one has served 50 years. If an offender has maintained good behavior, they become paroled after 40 years. In certain cases, offenders can be paroled after serving 60 years. Mexico does not extradite any prisoner subjected to life without parole.

You may find this read interesting.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/12/mexican...
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#9 Aug 27, 2014
Concerned wrote:
penalty instated. I know from your previous posts that you are not opposed to that. Neither am I.
And I also applauded the Malaysian government's decision to execute those Mexican drug dealers. The difference is that the Malaysians DIDN'T DENY those Mexicans the access to Consular Assistance.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Aug 27, 2014
snort ..... what leadership ?
US or Mexohile ?

Neither country has any leaders
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#11 Aug 28, 2014
lolol wrote:
snort ..... what leadership ?
US or Mexohile ?
Neither country has any leaders
I agree. The low ratings in both countries are a show of lousy leadership.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#12 Aug 28, 2014
Eduardo wrote:
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And I also applauded the Malaysian government's decision to execute those Mexican drug dealers. The difference is that the Malaysians DIDN'T DENY those Mexicans the access to Consular Assistance.
I dpo find it ironic that the government only cares when it is a criminal that they feel is having it's rights violated. But check out what is happening worldwide for Dr. Mireles on theis link.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/08/worldwi...

Here is a blog from one of the writers for Borderland beat.

@9:21
not until this. My husband teased me today, about getting more life insurance on me. I will be closing shop in Mx soon and just work in Central Am and maybe Chiapas, trying to slow down. I want to visit Doc but I am thinking that is a bad idea because of possible exposure. They are not giving him letters, or anything to write outgoing letters with, and not allowing stuff sent to him.

I, like the world am appalled by the human rights violations of an innocent man that truly cares about his people. The government does not care about it's good people in Mexico. So why would they care about a criminal that did not get his consulate rights on time. This is where peoples efforts should thoughts should be centered. On issues like doctor Mireles. I understand what you are saying. But it takes a long time to get consular rights in Mexico also. In fact they first try to get money from the families before any news of one being arrested in Mexico is let out.

But I do understand what you are saying. Did Malaysia inform Mexico, or did Mexico read about it in the papers first? Would be curious if that information is available.

the Light

El Paso, TX

#13 Aug 28, 2014
Matthew wrote:
This guy was staying in a hotel in Tijuana, that was exclusively geared toward prostitution, and in consequence, he was in immediate contact with members of organized crime. He had guns in the trunk of his car, in the parking lot just across the border in San Ysidro, and went to pick them up and drive back into Mexico
He'd spent quite a bit of time in Tijuana, and so he would have to have known, if only from the prominent signs on the freeway as one approaches the border, that smuggling firearms, especially military firearms, is a serious violation of the law -- he looks really, really GUILTY. And his utterances thus far, don't hold water. He's a liar.
80,000 plus Mexican people have been murdered, and twice that many disappeared, in the last five years from Drug War violence, many of them in Tijuana, mostly with guns brought in from the US. Mexico is a sovereign country and they have a right to protect their citizens. Let him rot.
He had EVERYTHING HE OWNED in his car, he was moving. Many mexicans murdered by mexicans with guns given by Eric Holder.
the Light

El Paso, TX

#14 Aug 28, 2014
Obama won't ask President of Mexico to release, he's not a muslim and a criminal.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#17 Aug 28, 2014
I found this on the internet about the case in Malaysia. It appears that even if they were notified that the consulate does nothing anyway.

The Mexican government has not sought to intervene in the case, Isidro Alejandro Ortiz Felix, consular head at the Mexican Embassy, said after attending Thursday's hearing.

Mexico does not have the death penalty and refuses to extradite its citizens in cases where they would face the death penalty.
Just Me

Elkview, WV

#18 Sep 3, 2014
I think he should be turned over to the United States immediately, or the people who came across our border by the thousands should be told to go just to the other side of the border. I say, give him back to us or you (Mexico) get your "travelers" back. By travelers, I mean those traveling through your country to get to our country. I'm talking about one man, or you get many thousands of people. Sound extreme? I know!
You hear one side of the story on the news, then you see something like this right here. I say let that guy go. Let him go! His senators and representitives and his governor should get involved for him. Those Mexicans in his state should ask for his safe return. Let him go!
I can read

Falkirk, UK

#19 Sep 3, 2014
Interesting how many people don't think Mexico should be allowed to have laws or that they shouldn't apply to Americans.

I wonder how they feel about mexicans breaking the law in the US?
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#20 Sep 3, 2014
I can read wrote:
Interesting how many people don't think Mexico should be allowed to have laws or that they shouldn't apply to Americans.
I wonder how they feel about mexicans breaking the law in the US?
Is a pointless discussion anyway, Mexico has no sovereignty and this criminal will be eventually released.

It is going to continue happening, I mean the whole: "accidentally driving to the border while carrying weapons", this isn't the first time it happens you know.

And about what happens to Mexicans I already expressed that point before, they think they can arbitrarely deny rights to us simply because we are Mexicans and they don't even think there is anything wrong with that.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#21 Sep 3, 2014
I can read wrote:
Interesting how many people don't think Mexico should be allowed to have laws or that they shouldn't apply to Americans.
I wonder how they feel about mexicans breaking the law in the US?
I do know that when they do break the laws in the USA, they actually protest for certain rights, or to have existing laws reversed or fight for the right to be there. I would not even try that here in Mexico. It is the Mexican people by millions fold that are not being arrested for being in the USA illegally to begin with. They do look the other way without a doubt in the USA when it comes to crime from illegals. They illegally protest in marches which is against the law in the USA, and burn the American flag. I read that the other day. Again I cannot imagine an American doing that in Mexico. Again not all Mexicans are doing that. So if you are not illegal, and love living in your country this is not addressed to you. Far more Mexicans feel the laws of the USA do not apply to them. If you can tell me that is not true I am all ears. Again I am not anti Mexico, or anti USA. I just see things for what they are. What I read and what I see. I believe the guy is guilty, but your statement does not make sense. Americans do not like it when Mexicans are breaking the law according to the polls, but they get away with it. Preferential treatment. They say you loose your rights when you go to another country. There is some merit to that. But the ones that cross illegally into the USA believe they should have more rights and are fighting for them.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#22 Sep 3, 2014
I can read wrote:
Interesting how many people don't think Mexico should be allowed to have laws or that they shouldn't apply to Americans.
I wonder how they feel about mexicans breaking the law in the US?
Most Americans that are arrested in Mexico go through the system. Spend time in prison or jail and do not make the news. You can only find a limited amount of them on the computer searches like this guy that do make the news. I think some people put it out of perspective because they are just pissed or not happy with their own personal life. They do not even report the drug dealers here in Mexico to the authorities. Everyone knows where they live but do nothing anyway. It would not help and only get them in trouble if they did report them in many cases. I can go with someone in an area and they can point out the drug dealers houses and where they live. Even the police know where they live. Everyone here knows that.

So why would they care about a couple of Americans getting a light sentence or paying a big fine? Money talks here in Mexico and you can buy your way out of jail. I read 40% of the people in jail here are innocent. The ones with the big money and ties to organized crime are rarely prosecuted or do little time. They have bigger things to worry about than that. The idea that all Americans think the are above all others is so far from the truth. They are giving and always willing to help. Almost to the extreme. But if you are generous to a fault, sometimes people take advantage of a good thing. My wife will not let me loan much money here. Because many people look at you as weak and a target. They even get pissed if you do not lend them money after not paying you back the first time. I still have friends I loan money to here that always pay me back. I just do not tell here everything.

But you have racists in the USA, just like in Mexico or anywhere else in the world.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#23 Sep 4, 2014
Is a pointless discussion anyway, Mexico has no sovereignty and this criminal will be eventually released.
I have to disagree with this.

Aghanistan, Iraq and sometimes/somethings Colombia, were/are countries without sovereignity regarding these matters.

Mexico do not choose traditionally a path of confrontation with the USA (which, per se, I think will be pointless). But surely, the degree of freedom of a self-restrained diplomacy of Mexico, is a lot more than some countries, including countries of the so-called "first World".

I also believe, this peson will end up having much less time that the offense demanded. But I don't really worry much about that.
It is going to continue happening, I mean the whole: "accidentally driving to the border while carrying weapons", this isn't the first time it happens you know.
Yes, but thanks Mr. Thamooresi - sorry if I do not spell well his elegant Persian name - now more people will know, that they will spend X time (short or long) in a Mexican prison, if they are caught.
And about what happens to Mexicans I already expressed that point before, they think they can arbitrarely deny rights to us simply because we are Mexicans and they don't even think there is anything wrong with that.
Well, my own personal physolophy, is to worry much more what we Mexicans think, that what US Americans think.

Regards, Eduardo.

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