GEORGE WILL: Why Californians are lea...

GEORGE WILL: Why Californians are leaving state in droves

There are 17 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from May 3, 2009, titled GEORGE WILL: Why Californians are leaving state in droves. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

California's increasingly severe and largely self-inflicted economic crisis will deepen on May 19 if, as is probable and desirable, voters reject most of the ballot measures that were drafted as part of a "solution" to the state's budget deficit.

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Firefed

Moab, UT

#1 May 3, 2009
You got that wrong Georgie. People are leaving California because it has become a social and environmental hellhole. After over 100 years in California my family has surrendered their homeland to the foreigners. Not the Mexicans- because they have always been a part of California. I'm talking about the millions of simple-minded folks from the South and Midwest who have imported a narrowmindedness that is unique unto themselves. They came with the wars and the depression. California is not Hooterville, Iowa nor Birmingham, Alabama nor Jim Bob, Oklahoma. California is California. It has always been a place where folks weren't afraid to be just a little different. In California the social baggage was left behind in favor of progress and freedom from the conservative Boss Hoggs who ran the rest of the Country. It use to be that Orange County was the exception to the rest of the State- now the Orange County brand of conservatism rules the whole State. Now the narrow-minded are migrating out of California to destroy the fabric of the rest of the West. My suggestion would be to move back to where you orginally came from- where everyone thinks alike and the social order is as stagnant as a fetid pond in August.
Dane Tobbin

Paramount, CA

#2 May 3, 2009
I feel sorry for those uneducated illegals who are California's future. As our States Dems run off employers, strangle the taxpayers with deficits and unsustainable Union contracts, it will be very hard for the illegals to shoulder the ever growing burdens of all of the Party's extraordinary extravagances.
The California we voted to destroy may not be worthy of our families but it will be better than the mess the illlegals fled.

At least it will be better for a little while longer.
Robert J G Jackson Sr

Bellflower, CA

#3 May 4, 2009
Mr. Will is absolutely correct. The factual statistics speak for themselves. Vote no. Read the article to understand just how much trouble we are in.
Ronald

AOL

#4 May 4, 2009
After criminalizing hard working owners of restaurants who serve hard working taxpayers who smoke tobacco, California politicians have now imposed a near 10% food tax penalty on decent non smoking diners who still eat out in California restaurants. This tax is imposed even on non smokers who are still able to "legally" dine at places of public accommodation even though they may be a little bit overweight.

California politicians have been so successful with this scam that even Obama has jumped on the bandwagon, imposing the biggest tobacco tax increase in world history, at the same time breaking his straight faced promise that those who earn less than $250,000 would see no tax increase under his administration.(most decent tobacco smokers earn less than $250,000)

We cannot blame the huge numbers of decent California taxpayers who do not smoke tobacco fleeing the State. They know that, although decent tobacco smokers are used to distract attention from the real target, it is they who the California politicians are really targeting simply because that is where the real money is.

All we ask is when the last overburdened California taxpayer leaves he turns out the lights. We should be mindful to help the environment. The generating of electricity contributes to global warming.

Ronald
Sam Roberts

Long Beach, CA

#5 May 4, 2009
This is nuts. Why wouldn't any one leave. Unions janitors can make 80,000 a year in our Progressive Paradise.

Where else would taxpayers fund such purely destructive nonsense?

After all, back in America, the parents actually consider the long term consequences that their children will face if they elect rational politicians. California Parents have no such motivation.
Susan Lusk

Long Beach, CA

#7 May 4, 2009
Wills' doesn't understand California. We take pride in our lack of concern for our children's future. We elect politicians who we know are going to have a negative impact on our future.

Will's have an old fashioned, pro American, view of the America. Californian's are unencumbered by such things.

We only care about our own selfish demands regardless of the impact on others.
Rae

Long Beach, CA

#8 May 5, 2009
My family has one foot out. I am setting things up right now for my high school senior to attend out of state in a couple of years... where I've bought my property several years ago... which by the way.... 2 acres with a 3 bed 2 bath cost me a little over $200 a YEAR in property taxes!!!!!I pay 30 times that for my 6ooo sq ft lot here! Just waiting for the right time
The beat goes on

AOL

#9 May 5, 2009
Firefed wrote:
You got that wrong Georgie. People are leaving California because it has become a social and environmental hellhole. After over 100 years in California my family has surrendered their homeland to the foreigners. Not the Mexicans- because they have always been a part of California. I'm talking about the millions of simple-minded folks from the South and Midwest who have imported a narrowmindedness that is unique unto themselves. They came with the wars and the depression. California is not Hooterville, Iowa nor Birmingham, Alabama nor Jim Bob, Oklahoma. California is California. It has always been a place where folks weren't afraid to be just a little different. In California the social baggage was left behind in favor of progress and freedom from the conservative Boss Hoggs who ran the rest of the Country. It use to be that Orange County was the exception to the rest of the State- now the Orange County brand of conservatism rules the whole State. Now the narrow-minded are migrating out of California to destroy the fabric of the rest of the West. My suggestion would be to move back to where you orginally came from- where everyone thinks alike and the social order is as stagnant as a fetid pond in August.
Sorry, but George Will provides data to make his point. OTOH, you provide wrong data. Orange County conservatism rules California? Nonsense. Nearly 2/3 of the legislature and nearly all state-wide elected officials are liberal Democrats.
Seth Adams

Long Beach, CA

#10 May 6, 2009
Firefed wrote:
You got that wrong Georgie. People are leaving California because it has become a social and environmental hellhole. After over 100 years in California my family has surrendered their homeland to the foreigners. Not the Mexicans- because they have always been a part of California. I'm talking about the millions of simple-minded folks from the South and Midwest who have imported a narrowmindedness that is unique unto themselves. They came with the wars and the depression. California is not Hooterville, Iowa nor Birmingham, Alabama nor Jim Bob, Oklahoma. California is California. It has always been a place where folks weren't afraid to be just a little different. In California the social baggage was left behind in favor of progress and freedom from the conservative Boss Hoggs who ran the rest of the Country. It use to be that Orange County was the exception to the rest of the State- now the Orange County brand of conservatism rules the whole State. Now the narrow-minded are migrating out of California to destroy the fabric of the rest of the West. My suggestion would be to move back to where you orginally came from- where everyone thinks alike and the social order is as stagnant as a fetid pond in August.
Well stated. I can see that you have embraced the disgrace of admitting to being a bottom feeder which is the only possible justification of supporting the drooling Gangsters who call themselves Democrat pols in what remains of California.

You should come back and look at the filthy Tower of Babel that those who share your vision have created our of once proud Orange County. It would do you "heart" good to see just how pathetic it has become in most areas.

You would be so proud. No room for positive thinking or prosperity in today's gangster infested Democratic Orange County.
Feduptaxpayer

La Palma, CA

#11 May 6, 2009
Vote no on 1A - 1F.

From www.kfiam640.com

"Please try to attend the next tax revolt rally at Tom's Farms in Corona.

Join John and Ken at their next Tax Revolt Rally Saturday, May 16 from 4-7pm at Tomís Farms in Corona. Our last Tax Revolt Rally in Fullerton had 15,000 angry taxpayers. Let's make this one bigger!

Tom's Farms is located south of the 91 freeway off the 15 freeway.

23900 Temescal Canyon Rd.

Corona, CA 92883

www.tomsfarms.com "
Craig

Long Beach, CA

#12 May 6, 2009
The propositions on the May 19 Ballot are nothing more then shenanigans. The real reason why California is in bad shape is two fold: First, the budgetary process. The 2/3 requirement to pass a budget is the cause. Second, the special interests. The powerful unions assure their members exuberant wages and benefits at the cost of all californians. Here are possible solutions. Write your representatives to prepare a constitutional amendment that will change the 2/3 requirement to a simple majority. This is how 47 of our other states run their budgets, so should we. If your representatives lack the backbone to change the status quo, then it is time to put a meaningful proposition on the ballot. The simple budget majority initiative. Budgets should be passed by majority, i.e., 51% to pass. This would take the polarization away from both parties and force them to negotiate. As for the special interests, this would be the second problem to tackle after you have a working budgetary process in place. Determine where the major special interests are congregated. This can be determined by looking at the California budget. Prison budget stands out. Why is so much money being spent in this area? The special interests in this arena are making out like bandits. The more prisons that are built, the more prisoners you can send to jail and the more guards that you need to hire. A comprehensive view of the prison system needs to take place. Which laws passed are sending criminals to prison for years? Why should we be paying for these uneccesary incarcerations. Surely there are alternative punishments where certain individuals can pay their debt to society without costing taxpayers. This is just a start. The other major areas, education and others must be looked at closely. What are the problems? Present possible solutions. Only in this manner can you find solutions to the Californias budgetary problems. The propositions in May are only short fixes that will not work and do not address the causes.
Ron Adams

Long Beach, CA

#13 May 6, 2009
Craig wrote:
The propositions on the May 19 Ballot are nothing more then shenanigans. The real reason why California is in bad shape is two fold: First, the budgetary process. The 2/3 requirement to pass a budget is the cause. Second, the special interests. The powerful unions assure their members exuberant wages and benefits at the cost of all californians. Here are possible solutions. Write your representatives to prepare a constitutional amendment that will change the 2/3 requirement to a simple majority. This is how 47 of our other states run their budgets, so should we. If your representatives lack the backbone to change the status quo, then it is time to put a meaningful proposition on the ballot. The simple budget majority initiative. Budgets should be passed by majority, i.e., 51% to pass. This would take the polarization away from both parties and force them to negotiate. As for the special interests, this would be the second problem to tackle after you have a working budgetary process in place. Determine where the major special interests are congregated. This can be determined by looking at the California budget. Prison budget stands out. Why is so much money being spent in this area? The special interests in this arena are making out like bandits. The more prisons that are built, the more prisoners you can send to jail and the more guards that you need to hire. A comprehensive view of the prison system needs to take place. Which laws passed are sending criminals to prison for years? Why should we be paying for these uneccesary incarcerations. Surely there are alternative punishments where certain individuals can pay their debt to society without costing taxpayers. This is just a start. The other major areas, education and others must be looked at closely. What are the problems? Present possible solutions. Only in this manner can you find solutions to the Californias budgetary problems. The propositions in May are only short fixes that will not work and do not address the causes.
Sadly, you are screaming into the wind. We are too stupid to expect a decent future. What else could explain those we elect from Long Beach?

Alan Lowenthal was rewarded for the greatest failure of any elected state government in American history. Then we sent Bonnie to "solve" the problem created by our ridiculous, out of control, left wing lunatic Legislative majority.

Today's Long Beach voters are pitiful fools.
Anon

Long Beach, CA

#14 May 6, 2009
If there are more people leaving here then are coming here, why are the freeways, stores, etc. much more crowded now than before? I mean turn around and listen to the spanish being spoken?

Part of the reason our state, and country, is in dire straights because we have allowed illegal aliens to come here and break the law and get benefits. Our socitey can't handle the strain of providing for people who come here illegally and mooch off of us.

Skilled jobs are taken by unskilled workers charging much less; illegals stealing other peoples identitys and getting income tax returns on them; illegals working under the table and not paying any income tax at all; unlicense and uninsured illegals getting into car accidents and causing property damage, injury, and even death to our citizens; illegals committing other crimes and being arrested and jailed here; illegals using hospitals and other health related services and not even coming close to being able to pay back those services or when they do pay taxes to have those taxes pay pay their share of the medical bills; illegals who don't speak or refuse to learn English necessitating schools and government offices to cater to them at the expense, both fiscally and teaching wise, of our citizen children.

These are a few of the reasons that California is in such a mess right now. There are others issues but this is the main one.

It all falls back onto our legislatures, local, state, and federal, who have refused to tackle this problem head on and instead have given illegal aliens an incentive to come here.

I for one will be leaving California as soon as I retire. I want to live in America, not tiajuan del norte.
The beat goes on

AOL

#15 May 6, 2009
Craig wrote:
The propositions on the May 19 Ballot are nothing more then shenanigans. The real reason why California is in bad shape is two fold: First, the budgetary process. The 2/3 requirement to pass a budget is the cause. Second, the special interests. The powerful unions assure their members exuberant wages and benefits at the cost of all californians. Here are possible solutions. Write your representatives to prepare a constitutional amendment that will change the 2/3 requirement to a simple majority. This is how 47 of our other states run their budgets, so should we. If your representatives lack the backbone to change the status quo, then it is time to put a meaningful proposition on the ballot. The simple budget majority initiative. Budgets should be passed by majority, i.e., 51% to pass. This would take the polarization away from both parties and force them to negotiate. As for the special interests, this would be the second problem to tackle after you have a working budgetary process in place. Determine where the major special interests are congregated. This can be determined by looking at the California budget. Prison budget stands out. Why is so much money being spent in this area? The special interests in this arena are making out like bandits. The more prisons that are built, the more prisoners you can send to jail and the more guards that you need to hire. A comprehensive view of the prison system needs to take place. Which laws passed are sending criminals to prison for years? Why should we be paying for these uneccesary incarcerations. Surely there are alternative punishments where certain individuals can pay their debt to society without costing taxpayers. This is just a start. The other major areas, education and others must be looked at closely. What are the problems? Present possible solutions. Only in this manner can you find solutions to the Californias budgetary problems. The propositions in May are only short fixes that will not work and do not address the causes.
Craig, I contend the 2/3 requirement should be maintained. Changing to a simple majority will give total budget control to the Democrats. They are totally controlled by the unions. Thus, we will get a budget controlled by the unions. That will worsen CA's financial situation. The 2/3 requirement give CA Republicans a say in the final budget, which compels the negotiation and compromise you want. It's the only time R's ever have power in our legislature. In this state the R party is (relatively speaking) fiscally conservative. CA legislators do not compromise because they are all elected from safe districts. Thus, they are elected in the primaries, not the general elections. Thus, the Ds elects those who are far left and the Rs elect those who are far right. None are inclined to compromise. To do so will cause them to lose in the next primary.
Zane Salazar

Los Angeles, CA

#16 May 6, 2009
Relax everybody.

Those Californians who are unencumbered by any pride in their citizenship, concern for their children's shot at a great future, or expectation of a financially well managed State and Local Government will continue to find California worthy of their families.

Those who are leaving have standards. Those who stay, no matter how much the State deteriorates, don't even understand the strength of "values" or the importance of "standards".
Truth

Clearlake, CA

#17 May 6, 2009
Stop the insanity, vote NO on all of the propositions. Send the message loud and clear, that we have all had enough. But do not forget about all of this at the next general election.
Vote the grubby little tax takers out of office.
Leaving

Atherton, CA

#18 Mar 2, 2013
After more than 30 years in California my wife and I have decided to relocate our business (and a select number of employees)to Nevada. An increasing number of us who pay the vast majority of California's annual tax bill are now voting with our feet and are leaving the state. California's recent 2012 tax increase was the straw that finally broke the camel's back.
Good Luck!

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