Illegal immigrants' advocates work for state protections

Dec 12, 2011 | Posted by: Agent of Chaos | Full story: www.latimes.com

The failure of Congress and recent presidents to overhaul the immigration system led Arizona and other states to devise their own crackdowns on illegal immigrants. Now, immigrant rights groups are pursuing their own drives, state by state and in varied ways, to protect illegal immigrants.

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Now, immigrant rights groups are pursuing their own drives, state by state and in varied ways, to protect illegal immigrants

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Good luck but it's hard to justify rights for people that invade a country and steal jobs, govt benefits and IDs from the lawful citizens. Plus kill thousands of citizens by their serial drunk driving.

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We don't protect citizens that break laws, so why should we protect illegal aliens? They don't belong here. Period!

We have laws. Too bad, so sad if those laws are not to the liking of illegal aliens and their criminal supporters.
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They got the Dream Act passed in Maryland only to have the voters overwhelmingly petition to place its repeal on the ballot next year. LOL.
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They got the Dream Act passed in Maryland only to have the voters overwhelmingly petition to place its repeal on the ballot next year. LOL.
Democratic Illinois Governor Pat Quinn this week signed into law a measure that allows illegal immigrants to compete for private scholarships to attend state colleges.

The Illinois Dream Act closely resembles the law passed in California last month, as Illinois joins the handful of states that have bucked the trend of tough anti-illegal immigration laws this year. Lawmakers in California also wanted to allow undocumented students to access publicly funded scholarships, but that part of the initiative hasn't passed.

Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, a Democrat, signed a law allowing in-state tuition to illegal immigrants last month. "These are children who live in Connecticut, contribute to our economy and are part of the fabric of our state. This bill isn't controversial, it's common sense," Malloy said at the signing, according to The Boston Globe. Out-of-state tuition at the University of Connecticut is $25,152; in-state it's $8,256.
Meanwhile this May, Maryland lawmakers extended in-state tuition rates to young illegal immigrants who grew up in the state and graduated from its public high schools.(Qualifying students have to prove their parents pay taxes.)
Thirteen states--California, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin--have passed laws since 2001 to allow in-state tuition for young illegal immigrants who graduated from state high schools.(Oklahoma leaves the decision up to a higher education body.) Supporters argue that since state K-12 public schools are required to give every student an education, regardless of immigration status, it doesn't make sense to prevent the brightest of them from going to college by asking them to pay pricey out-of-state tuition.
The move to help illegal immigrants go to college is in sharp contrast with the trend of states passing strict laws designed to push those very people out of their states. Utah, Indiana, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina all followed Arizona's lead and passed laws expanding local police power to question suspects about their immigration status this year. South Carolina and Georgia explicitly bar illegal immigrants from attending some state colleges altogether.
Illinois is latest state to pass ‘Dream Act’

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<quoted text>Democratic Illinois Governor Pat Quinn this week signed into law a measure that allows illegal immigrants to compete for private scholarships to attend state colleges.
The Illinois Dream Act closely resembles the law passed in California last month, as Illinois joins the handful of states that have bucked the trend of tough anti-illegal immigration laws this year. Lawmakers in California also wanted to allow undocumented students to access publicly funded scholarships, but that part of the initiative hasn't passed.
Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, a Democrat, signed a law allowing in-state tuition to illegal immigrants last month. "These are children who live in Connecticut, contribute to our economy and are part of the fabric of our state. This bill isn't controversial, it's common sense," Malloy said at the signing, according to The Boston Globe. Out-of-state tuition at the University of Connecticut is $25,152; in-state it's $8,256.
Meanwhile this May, Maryland lawmakers extended in-state tuition rates to young illegal immigrants who grew up in the state and graduated from its public high schools.(Qualifying students have to prove their parents pay taxes.)
Thirteen states--California, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin--have passed laws since 2001 to allow in-state tuition for young illegal immigrants who graduated from state high schools.(Oklahoma leaves the decision up to a higher education body.) Supporters argue that since state K-12 public schools are required to give every student an education, regardless of immigration status, it doesn't make sense to prevent the brightest of them from going to college by asking them to pay pricey out-of-state tuition.
The move to help illegal immigrants go to college is in sharp contrast with the trend of states passing strict laws designed to push those very people out of their states. Utah, Indiana, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina all followed Arizona's lead and passed laws expanding local police power to question suspects about their immigration status this year. South Carolina and Georgia explicitly bar illegal immigrants from attending some state colleges altogether.
Illinois is latest state to pass ‘Dream Act’
and just how deep in debt is IL again?
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<quoted text>and just how deep in debt is IL again?
u r complate idiot if u think debt come from education
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<quoted text>and just how deep in debt is IL again?
if u don't like investing in education , fine , the USA would import the foreign brains - recent Census Bureau report. It shows that a third of all college degrees in engineering go to the foreign born, as do 27 percent of those majoring in mathematics, computers and statistics. In the physical sciences, 24 percent of degrees go the foreign born, as do 17 percent of those in the biological, agricultural and environmental sciences.

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<quoted text> u r complate idiot if u think debt come from education
you are the complete moron, i used to live in IL and know just how corrupt and inefficient their so-called education system actually is.

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<quoted text> if u don't like investing in education , fine , the USA would import the foreign brains - recent Census Bureau report. It shows that a third of all college degrees in engineering go to the foreign born, as do 27 percent of those majoring in mathematics, computers and statistics. In the physical sciences, 24 percent of degrees go the foreign born, as do 17 percent of those in the biological, agricultural and environmental sciences.
btw, even if illegal aliens graduate at the top of their class they CANNOT legally be employed in the US.
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<quoted text>btw, even if illegal aliens graduate at the top of their class they CANNOT legally be employed in the US.
o yeh tell this to their employers - http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/usforeignbor...
(January 2011) In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1. More than 60 percent of foreign-born scientists and engineers in the United States in 2009 were from Asia, according to Census Bureau data analyzed by PRB. Nearly one-fourth were from India, with another one-fifth from China, the Philippines, and Taiwan. Foreign-born residents not only expanded the U.S. high-tech workforce but helped start new businesses that have generated billions in revenue and hired tens of thousands of workers. Foreign-born entrepreneurs helped start one-fourth of all new U.S. engineering and technology business established between 1995 and 2005, including Google and eBay. In high-tech Silicon Valley, California, more than one-half of business start-ups over that period involved a foreign-born scientist or engineer; one-fourth included an Indian or Chinese immigrant.

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<quoted text> if u don't like investing in education , fine , the USA would import the foreign brains - recent Census Bureau report. It shows that a third of all college degrees in engineering go to the foreign born, as do 27 percent of those majoring in mathematics, computers and statistics. In the physical sciences, 24 percent of degrees go the foreign born, as do 17 percent of those in the biological, agricultural and environmental sciences.
the way i see it all those calling for workers outside of the country are traitors. there are plenty of grads fresh out of college to do all jobs and add in those who have lost their jobs .

things like this are placed by anti-Americans who are trying to finish off the country. when things like this are. not too long ago a panel of lawyers was showing how to avoid hiring American citizens.

proof needs to be show and not just some fake stats. the same thing has been said about a lot of jobs even with high unemployment some try to hire outside the country no matter what. seems when you have an imported worker you can threaten to fire them and call the ins to get them deported.
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the way i see it all those calling for workers outside of the country are traitors. there are plenty of grads fresh out of college to do all jobs and add in those who have lost their jobs .
things like this are placed by anti-Americans who are trying to finish off the country. when things like this are. not too long ago a panel of lawyers was showing how to avoid hiring American looks citizens.
proof needs to be show and not just some fake stats. the same thing has been said about a lot of jobs even with high unemployment some try to hire outside the country no matter what. seems when you have an imported worker you can threaten to fire them and call the ins to get them deported.
looks like u r afraid of competition huh ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274...

Of the nine people who shared this year's Nobel Prizes in chemistry, physics and medicine, eight are American citizens, a testament to this country's support for pioneering research. But those numbers disguise a more important story. Four of the American winners were born outside of the United States and only came here as graduate or post-doctoral students or as scientists. They came because our system of education and advanced research has been a magnet for creative talent.

Unfortunately, we cannot count on that magnetism to last. Culturally, we remain a very open society. But that openness stands in sharp contrast to arcane U.S. immigration policies that discourage young scholars from settling in the U.S.

Those policies come at a high price. Graduate and postgraduate student immigrants are essential to creating new, well-paid jobs in our economy. Of the 35 young innovators recognized this year by Technology Review magazine for their exceptional new ideas, only six went to high school in the United States. From MIT alone, foreign graduates have founded an estimated 2,340 active U.S. companies that employ over 100,000 people.

Amazingly, if as incoming students they had told U.S. immigration authorities that they hoped to stay on as entrepreneurs after graduation, they would have been turned back at the border. Our immigration laws specifically require that students return to their home countries after earning their degrees and then apply for a visa if they want to return and work in the U.S. It would be hard to invent a policy more counterproductive to our national interest.

If the U.S. was the only country in the world that offered scholars scientific freedom, a cumbersome immigration process might not be that harmful. But the world today is teeming with well-funded opportunities to do first-class science. To be competitive, the U.S. needs to send the unmistakable message that we want scholars to stay.

To do that we need the kind of broad new immigration policy that would allow foreign students who earn advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering and math to easily become legal permanent residents. President Barack Obama and many others are already calling for such a policy.

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nope i see no reason to bring anymore people from other countries to this one at this time.

it is not smart to bring in millions every year in times like these. we have brought in more than any other country on earth its time to cut way back for a long time to come.

then again i have never seen a reason for an American to have to compete for anything in American from those from other countries, in American the citizens need to come first,that is unless you are trying to destroy her.
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nope i see no reason to bring anymore people from other countries to this one at this time.
it is not smart to bring in millions every year in times like these. we have brought in more than any other country on earth its time to cut way back for a long time to come.
then again i have never seen a reason for an American to have to compete for anything in American from those from other countries, in American the citizens need to come first,that is unless you are trying to destroy her.
yes u r Afraid of competition, but I understand why - http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content...

From Andrew Carnegie, the Scottish-born 19th-century steel baron, to Roberto C. Goizueta, the Cuban exile who led Coca-Cola (KO) through most the 1980s and '90s, immigrants have been at the helm of many of America's top companies.

That's just as true today, even as politicians in Washington argue about whether to embark on immigration reform. Without immigrants, there would be no Google (GOOG), co-founded by Russian-born Sergey Brin. Two of the three people who launched YouTube were immigrants, too: Steven Chen, originally from Taiwan, and Jawed Karim, born in Germany. Immigrants also helped start Yahoo!(YHOO), eBay (EBAY), and Sun Microsystems (JAVA).

It's not just Silicon Valley that has depended on immigrants. They're also prominent in the world of finance, thanks to people like billionaire George Soros, former World Bank chief James Wolfensohn and Berkshire Hathaway's Ajit Jain (a possible successor to Warren Buffet.

Like Jain, many of the most successful immigrants in Corporate America today are from India. Indra Nooyi, who went to college in the southern Indian city of Chennai and earned an MBA in Kolkata, is the CEO of PepsiCo (PEP). Sanjay Jha, another Indian immigrant, is the co-CEO at Motorola (MOT). Vikram Pandit, born in the western Indian state of Maharashtra, is chairman and CEO of Citigroup (C).(For more on the world's most successful immigrants, see this BusinessWeek slide show.)

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that is global thinking when all need to think American citizen above all others.

anyway you word it if citizens are not first it is not good for the country.

when i see housekeepers coming from india to make 8 and hr while not even putting adds in local papers it is all a fraud.
or a store clerk and the list goes on. it has gotten as bad as the illegal alien problem with the exact same lies used.

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<quoted text> o yeh tell this to their employers - http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/usforeignbor...
(January 2011) In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1. More than 60 percent of foreign-born scientists and engineers in the United States in 2009 were from Asia, according to Census Bureau data analyzed by PRB. Nearly one-fourth were from India, with another one-fifth from China, the Philippines, and Taiwan. Foreign-born residents not only expanded the U.S. high-tech workforce but helped start new businesses that have generated billions in revenue and hired tens of thousands of workers. Foreign-born entrepreneurs helped start one-fourth of all new U.S. engineering and technology business established between 1995 and 2005, including Google and eBay. In high-tech Silicon Valley, California, more than one-half of business start-ups over that period involved a foreign-born scientist or engineer; one-fourth included an Indian or Chinese immigrant.
your link has nothing to with employing illegal aliens.
off topic much?
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<quoted text>your link has nothing to with employing illegal aliens.
off topic much?
I'm sick and tired of lazy gluttonous Americans bitching about immigrants "taking" our jobs. It's not like they can literally come to America, ambush us in the parking lot and take our jobs. If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. Don't want to pay them full wages? Then don't hire them. If they do equal work, then they deserve equal pay. It's just that simple, and I'm not going to sit back like every other racist piece of sh1t bitching about having to work harder because there's a little competition for my job, immigrant or otherwise. I know I can do my job better than anyone, and if an immigrant thinks he can do a better job than I can, I welcome him to try.
What kind of chicken sh1t pussssy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SH1T. Nobody wants to pay you for your half-assed work if someone else can do it better. That's what America is all about. I'll be damned if I'm going to let any more jackassses sully the reputation of hard working Americans who are willing to work just as hard as anyone else with or without competition. If you can't cut it, then the people with money will pay it to someone else who can.
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<quoted text>your link has nothing to with employing illegal aliens.
off topic much?
http://www.foxnews.com/politic s/2011/02/09/black-sc-lawmaker -hispanic-immigrants-hardest-w orkers/
An African-American lawmaker in South Carolina said Tuesday that stricter illegal immigration laws would hurt the state because blacks and whites don't work as hard as Hispanics.

Black SC lawmaker: Immigrants are hardest workers

By SEANNA ADCOX Associated Press
Posted: 02/08/2011 09:27:18 PM MST

COLUMBIA, S.C.—An African-American lawmaker in South Carolina said Tuesday that stricter illegal immigration laws would hurt the state because blacks and whites don't work as hard as Hispanics.
State Sen. Robert Ford made his remarks during a Senate committee debate over an Arizona-style immigration law, eliciting a smattering of nervous laughter in the chamber after he said "brothers" don't work as hard as Mexicans. He continued that his "blue-eyed brothers" don't either.
Once his ancestors were freed from slavery, he said, they didn't want to do any more hard work, so they were replaced by Chinese and Japanese.
"We need these workers here. A lot of people aren't going to do certain type of work in this country," said Ford, D-Charleston. "The brothers are going to find ways to take a break. Ever since this country was built, we've had somebody do the work for us."

"Black guys and white guys are going to get out there and do the hard work? No. I'm for America, and America's a country of immigrants,"
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/09/bl...
An African-American lawmaker in South Carolina said Tuesday that stricter illegal immigration laws would hurt the state because blacks and whites don't work as hard as Hispanics.

Black SC lawmaker: Immigrants are hardest workers

By SEANNA ADCOX Associated Press
Posted: 02/08/2011 09:27:18 PM MST

COLUMBIA, S.C.—An African-American lawmaker in South Carolina said Tuesday that stricter illegal immigration laws would hurt the state because blacks and whites don't work as hard as Hispanics.
State Sen. Robert Ford made his remarks during a Senate committee debate over an Arizona-style immigration law, eliciting a smattering of nervous laughter in the chamber after he said "brothers" don't work as hard as Mexicans. He continued that his "blue-eyed brothers" don't either.
Once his ancestors were freed from slavery, he said, they didn't want to do any more hard work, so they were replaced by Chinese and Japanese.
"We need these workers here. A lot of people aren't going to do certain type of work in this country," said Ford, D-Charleston. "The brothers are going to find ways to take a break. Ever since this country was built, we've had somebody do the work for us."

"Black guys and white guys are going to get out there and do the hard work? No. I'm for America, and America's a country of immigrants,"

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Isn't it funny that people are advocating for laws to be put in place to protect people that broke the law?If these new laws are put in place shouldn't American's treat them with the same regard illegal's treat our immigration laws now in place.

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