Re-Open Proposition 8 Petition

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Petition to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to re-open proposition 8 for California.

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GraceJeanJones

Detroit, MI

#1 Nov 7, 2008
Obama was very influential in helping seal the fate of gays & lesbians regarding Proposition 8 in California, and the anti-gay amendment that passed in Florida.

After reading below what Obama did, how Obama sold gays & lesbians up the river, is it any wonder that 70% of black voters voted against gays & lesbians in California and Florida.

Obama should be ashamed of himself. Such strategies are right out the Karl Rove playbook, even worse, please read below for yourself:

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...
Occono

Ireland

#3 Nov 7, 2008
I'm still in an incredibly bad mood over Prop 8 but I can acknowledge it can't get overturned any time soon. I don't know how to act but trying to overturn it will be futile. Oh, and can Yes on 8 people please not respond to this message if you have any respect for other people? Thanks.
Jeane

San Diego, CA

#5 Nov 7, 2008
Lets not blame Obama ... lets educate ... Separation of church and State

I cannot tell you how excited I am and everyone I know to have Obama as our next president. Many did not think they would see this in their lifetime, but for the courage of so many, the voices that would not be silenced and the silent peaceful resolve that would not rest, this country has moved from ignorance and hate and has elected brilliance and tolerance. I believe so deeply that this amazing man will not only change this country, but will change the world.



As a mother of three children, I am proud for this out pouring of unity, until I realize that many of the same people that voted for equal rights and voted to give even farm animals more rights voted that I would still be bond by law to sit at the back of the bus.



In your home, you are free to have any rules you want, but once you put your water fountain in a public park, all should have the right to drink from it. I have no intention of judging any religion. I realize that this is the most important thing in many lives. If marriage was only a religious ceremony, NO one would be asking for its legal rights to be for all. The Christian community in this country put marriage in the park so that this country would give it legal rights and recognition. They opened the door to allow all to drink from the fountain. Putting the “straights only sign" on this fountain in the same time that we have all come together to elect “change” is wrong. I have many Christian friends who I respect very much. I know that this did not come from hate, but rather a lack of information. Please allow some more information to open your mind and your heart. If your resolve is firm and unwavering then more information cannot hurt it.



Why is domestic partnership not enough?



Domestic partnership is like being allowed to sit on the bus, but only in the back. Why complain, the bus is to get you from 1 point to the next and being in the front or back, it’s the same! Sound familiar? This country has adopted marriage as the legal binding that we see in all our laws, courts, hospitals, etc. Marriage being taken out of the Church and given to the States was deemed more binding than blood in the eyes of the State. For example, if a person bought a home and one year later found a life partner, got a domestic partnership, and had three kids (foster, adopted, etc), built a business, and were together for 40 years and that person suddenly died … a second cousin of that person could come and take that home that was in that persons name from his/her partner of 40 years and yes even the kids. This country assigns rights in this order

1. Marriage

2. Blood

3. A Trust or Will

This is the air tight legal system.



Isn’t it a choice? Marriage was created to pro create.
Ask yourself who would choose this? Diversity is amazing and necessary in this world. There are many children that need homes. I have children from a straight family that found drugs and mis direction. I have given them love and education and great morals, all be it not everyone will agree, but there are higher morals than men should sleep with women. For example my mantras to my kids

You are in control of you. Take responsibility for your part in everything you touch and don’t allow people to have control over you by blaming them for your actions.
Wanting is not a sin, not working for you want is.
Never pass judgment on person that is not you unless you have worked and educated yourself to be a legal judge and even then do not judge the person .. you will be required to judge the act.


No matter what your beliefs … I am sure many of us can agree that every home deserves the same legal rights. No home should be required to sit in the back … and if the fountain is not in your home alone and has been given to the public … then all have the right to drink from it.

Jeane

San Diego, CA

#6 Nov 7, 2008
I cannot tell you how excited I am and everyone I know to have Obama as our next president. Many did not think they would see this in their lifetime, but for the courage of so many, the voices that would not be silenced and the silent peaceful resolve that would not rest, this country has moved from ignorance and hate and has elected brilliance and tolerance. I believe so deeply that this amazing man will not only change this country, but will change the world.



As a mother of three children, I am proud for this out pouring of unity, until I realize that many of the same people that voted for equal rights and voted to give even farm animals more rights voted that I would still be bond by law to sit at the back of the bus.



In your home, you are free to have any rules you want, but once you put your water fountain in a public park, all should have the right to drink from it. I have no intention of judging any religion. I realize that this is the most important thing in many lives. If marriage was only a religious ceremony, NO one would be asking for its legal rights to be for all. The Christian community in this country put marriage in the park so that this country would give it legal rights and recognition. They opened the door to allow all to drink from the fountain. Putting the “straights only sign" on this fountain in the same time that we have all come together to elect “change” is wrong. I have many Christian friends who I respect very much. I know that this did not come from hate, but rather a lack of information. Please allow some more information to open your mind and your heart. If your resolve is firm and unwavering then more information cannot hurt it.

“Equality”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#7 Nov 7, 2008
It won't let me sign it :(
Sam

Madison, WI

#8 Nov 7, 2008
Rich777

I'm glad to see that you are black and proud of it but are you ignorant too? Let me ask you this. Do you not have feelings to your girlfriend or wife (based on what you saying that being gay is a choice, I'm going to assume that you are straight)? Do you not have sexual attractions to your significant other? Do you not love your significant other to the point that you wish to marry her and be with her for the rest of your life? If you have answered yes to any of these questions, then you can relate to how gay people feel when they are with their significant other and that they are willing to marry their significant other and be with them for the rest of their lives. Just like you are attracted to women we are attracted to our own gender and just like you don't try not to fight those attractions, we don't either. That is why we are willing to pour millions of dollars so we don't get discriminated against and we have the freedom to marry our significant other just like you. It is you who needs to wake up and realize that the world isn't going to conform to your idea of what is right and what is wrong and that you are the one who is make the choice to be ignorant and not learn that other people are different from you.
DISGUSTED AMERICAN

Cranbury, NJ

#9 Nov 7, 2008
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it. Obama was equally elected for president of the USA by the will of the people. Now, there are only few folks who want to overturn the legal passaged of proposition 8 by an illegal act of force! Proposition was legally passed by the will of the people, for the people, & by the people! Why don't they also just overturn OBAMA'S legal election that was won by the will of the people? In addition, being gay is fully 100% free CHOICE that they are making for themselves. They are crying to the world for more special rights and treatments for their act of choice. They are NOT born gay or lesbians. They are choosing to live a UNnatural sexual lifestyle. Yet, they want us to give them more special rights. They are already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts! Gays drive the most LUXURIOUS cars. They are actors, singers, movie stars and they want more special treatments! Give us a break! We had enough of their rich spoiled life. We around the world are struggling to make ends meat while they are spending over 70 MILLION dollars in no prop 8 for more special protection of a free CHOICE of sexual living that they are making for themselves! Why don't they give some of their $$$ millions of dollars by helping the poor? Why don't they help homeowners pay off their mortgages? Why don't they help create more jobs? Why don't they donate millions to childrens hospitals? Why don't gays come out to donate more of their money to inner citys? Instead, they keep buying more toys, more gold, more mansions & more mercedes while we americans are suffering in these hard economic times! I say we had enough of their tricks, manupilation, & perverted lifestyle and special treatments! They never had fallen under the discrimanatory act because they werre not BORN that way. They made a choice of being gay! Therefore, we shouldn't pay, and support their choice of unnatural lifestyle. We should start a new proposition that prohibits gays from adopting babys too! And we are tired of their nonsense! They must stop comparing themselves with black americans. And start waking up to their foolishness! We want a better economy! we want common sense! We want truth! We want purity for America!
It is time for America to wakes up! & Defends her little childrens FOREVERMORE!
You can go eff yourself -- How dare you, as a white gay man who support Obama fully,with my time and money I find your comments Insulting...You NEED to read the Writings of Corretta Scott King who beleived in Inclusion of ALL peoples...Gays/Lesbians Marched/were beaten/and died in the 60's for YOUR rights...when our rights weren't anywhere near the horizon of realization. Get off your soapbox and educate yourself - as long as anyone is treated un-equal - we all are in jeopardy. A black Gay man helped Pen the " I Have a Dream" speech for MLK....you're Pathetic...no matter what color u are....we're all human and deserve Equality.
Mrs and Mrs Ruiz

Hayward, CA

#10 Nov 7, 2008
DISGUSTED AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>You can go eff yourself -- How dare you, as a white gay man who support Obama fully,with my time and money I find your comments Insulting...You NEED to read the Writings of Corretta Scott King who beleived in Inclusion of ALL peoples...Gays/Lesbians Marched/were beaten/and died in the 60's for YOUR rights...when our rights weren't anywhere near the horizon of realization. Get off your soapbox and educate yourself - as long as anyone is treated un-equal - we all are in jeopardy. A black Gay man helped Pen the " I Have a Dream" speech for MLK....you're Pathetic...no matter what color u are....we're all human and deserve Equality.
as a black women thank you for educating this fool. As a black man he should be ashame of himself for voting for discrimination giving our history. How soon it is forgotten.
CHAD

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Nov 7, 2008
RICH, I ALREADY HATED REPUBLICANS FOR BEING BEHIND PROP H8TE AND NOW TRULY AM DISGUSTED WITH HATE TOWARDS MORMONS FOR FUNDING THIS HATEFUL EXERCISE,NOW I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER BLACK IGNORANT PEOPLE MY ENEMY TOO. BLACK PEOPLE WITH THEIR GANGS,VIOLENT CRIMES,OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTHS,FATHERLESS FAMILIES AND MEN WITH MULTIPLE PREGNANT WIVES SHOULD CONSIDER GAY PEOPLE GETTING RIGHTS THE LEAST OF YOU PROBLEMS AND IF YOUR IGNORANCE LEADS YOU TO BE A BIGOT AGAINST GAY PEOPLE AND TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS DONT COUNT ON GAYS TO SUPPORT ANY EFFORTS FOR BLACK PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE. IM REALLY TIRED OF THE HOMOPHOBIA IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND LIKE THE WHITE TRASH REPUBLICANS BOTH CAN BE TRACED TO LACK OF EDUCATION,IGNORANCE AND HATE.
Crystal

Palm Harbor, FL

#12 Nov 7, 2008
First of all, not all gay people are rich. Nor are all rich people gay. This homosexual has been driving the same cheap car for seven years and is suffering from the same economic downfall most everyone else is.

In fact, homosexual Americans pay higher taxes and get less benefits than heterosexuals. We cannot file our tax returns jointly. As a result we pay significantly more taxes to our government than married heterosexuals, and that government in turn gives us less rights! < http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-... ;

That's not even mentioning the $20,000 we spent in medical bills within a couple of months because my partner cannot get insurance through my employer! And even if we were lucky enough that she could, unlike a married heterosexual family's health benefits, hers would be taxed.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Do some research before you spout hate.

If you are going to post something and pawn it off as fact (e.g. the lie that homosexuality is a choice), you better have RELIABLE sources to back it up! Here are a couple places to start gathering your scientific proof:

"Scans See Gay Brain Differences": < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm... ;

"Womb Environment Makes Men Gay":
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm... ;

You sound just like a bigoted white supremacist coming down on your own race, and you do not even see that that is exactly what you are doing to gays! ENOUGH HYPOCRISY! I pray you open your eyes, sir! It will allow you to be more at peace with yourself and your peers.
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it ...
born that way

Washington, DC

#13 Nov 7, 2008
How someone can vote for Obama one second and then vote to take rights away from a group the next is just beyond my comprehension.

“One o the guys born as a girl.”

Since: Oct 08

San Diego, CA

#14 Nov 7, 2008
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it. Obama was equally elected for president of the USA by the will of the people. Now, there are only few folks who want to overturn the legal passaged of proposition 8 by an illegal act of force! Proposition was legally passed by the will of the people, for the people, & by the people! Why don't they also just overturn OBAMA'S legal election that was won by the will of the people? In addition, being gay is fully 100% free CHOICE that they are making for themselves. They are crying to the world for more special rights and treatments for their act of choice. They are NOT born gay or lesbians. They are choosing to live a UNnatural sexual lifestyle. Yet, they want us to give them more special rights. They are already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts! Gays drive the most LUXURIOUS cars. They are actors, singers, movie stars and they want more special treatments! Give us a break! We had enough of their rich spoiled life. We around the world are struggling to make ends meat while they are spending over 70 MILLION dollars in no prop 8 for more special protection of a free CHOICE of sexual living that they are making for themselves! Why don't they give some of their $$$ millions of dollars by helping the poor? Why don't they help homeowners pay off their mortgages? Why don't they help create more jobs? Why don't they donate millions to childrens hospitals? Why don't gays come out to donate more of their money to inner citys? Instead, they keep buying more toys, more gold, more mansions & more mercedes while we americans are suffering in these hard economic times! I say we had enough of their tricks, manupilation, & perverted lifestyle and special treatments! They never had fallen under the discrimanatory act because they werre not BORN that way. They made a choice of being gay! Therefore, we shouldn't pay, and support their choice of unnatural lifestyle. We should start a new proposition that prohibits gays from adopting babys too! And we are tired of their nonsense! They must stop comparing themselves with black americans. And start waking up to their foolishness! We want a better economy! we want common sense! We want truth! We want purity for America!
It is time for America to wakes up! & Defends her little childrens FOREVERMORE!
Hey idiot. I was abused my entire life for being gay. I was abused to the point I WISHED I was straight. But I'm not, I knew at the age of four.
For you to tell me I'd choose to be spat on, kicked, hated, and called a monster daily because of who I am is insulting.

I'm not going to post the story I wrote about my childhood because it's long and very very depressing.

To protect the children, you have to start with allowing equality. Then gay and lesbian children won't put up with the GARBAGE I did. You being a black person should UNDERSTAND what discrimination feels like. How DARE you say I'd CHOOSE to be abused?!
tiqueboy

New Buffalo, MI

#15 Nov 7, 2008
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it. Obama was equally elected for president of the USA by the will of the people. Now, there are only few folks who want to overturn the legal passaged of proposition 8 by an illegal act of force! Proposition was legally passed by the will of the people, for the people, & by the people! Why don't they also just overturn OBAMA'S legal election that was won by the will of the people? In addition, being gay is fully 100% free CHOICE that they are making for themselves. They are crying to the world for more special rights and treatments for their act of choice. They are NOT born gay or lesbians. They are choosing to live a UNnatural sexual lifestyle. Yet, they want us to give them more special rights. They are already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts! Gays drive the most LUXURIOUS cars. They are actors, singers, movie stars and they want more special treatments! Give us a break! We had enough of their rich spoiled life. We around the world are struggling to make ends meat while they are spending over 70 MILLION dollars in no prop 8 for more special protection of a free CHOICE of sexual living that they are making for themselves! Why don't they give some of their $$$ millions of dollars by helping the poor? Why don't they help homeowners pay off their mortgages? Why don't they help create more jobs? Why don't they donate millions to childrens hospitals? Why don't gays come out to donate more of their money to inner citys? Instead, they keep buying more toys, more gold, more mansions & more mercedes while we americans are suffering in these hard economic times! I say we had enough of their tricks, manupilation, & perverted lifestyle and special treatments! They never had fallen under the discrimanatory act because they werre not BORN that way. They made a choice of being gay! Therefore, we shouldn't pay, and support their choice of unnatural lifestyle. We should start a new proposition that prohibits gays from adopting babys too! And we are tired of their nonsense! They must stop comparing themselves with black americans. And start waking up to their foolishness! We want a better economy! we want common sense! We want truth! We want purity for America!
It is time for America to wakes up! & Defends her little childrens FOREVERMORE!
Just an other stupid ignorant inger (spelled incorrwctly on purpose in case you did not get it 777)!
Vin

Alba, TX

#16 Nov 7, 2008
Deningrad wrote:
It won't let me sign it :(
Because, YOU'RE IN MEXICO!!!!!!!...Dur!
SAMMIE

United States

#17 Nov 7, 2008
oK.....FIRST OF ALL "RICH", I AM NOT RICH! WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT ALL GAYS AND LESBIANS ARE MILLIONAIRES? I MAKE UNDER $40,00/YR WORKING PART-TIME AND GOING TO SCHOOL PART-TIME,(TO GET MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN NURSING)I DRIVE A PIECE OF CRAP CHEVY TRACKER AND I HAVE A FAMILY TO SUPPORT.

I DID NOT CHOOSE WITH WHOM I FELL IN LOVE, LOVE CHOSE ME. MY LOVE IS NO MORE PERVERSE THAN YOUR HETERO LOVE. JUST AS YOU ARE PROUD TO BE BLACK, I TOO AM PROUD A LESBIAN.

THINK ABOUT IT....AM I HURTING YOU??? I PAY MY TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN. AFTER ALL, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ALL ARE....JUST AMERICANS?

IF YOU WANT TO STOP US FROM ADOPTING KIDS, HOW ABOUT STOPPING MIXED RACE COUPLES FROM ADOPTING THEM AS WELL. I MEAN, COME ON, THAT'S AN "UN-NATURAL" COMBINATION OF RACES, RIGHT? NOT!!! THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT.....BEING FREE TO BE WHO YOU ARE WITHOUT FEAR!!
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it. Obama was equally elected for president of the USA by the will of the people. Now, there are only few folks who want to overturn the legal passaged of proposition 8 by an illegal act of force! Proposition was legally passed by the will of the people, for the people, & by the people! Why don't they also just overturn OBAMA'S legal election that was won by the will of the people? In addition, being gay is fully 100% free CHOICE that they are making for themselves. They are crying to the world for more special rights and treatments for their act of choice. They are NOT born gay or lesbians. They are choosing to live a UNnatural sexual lifestyle. Yet, they want us to give them more special rights. They are already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts! Gays drive the most LUXURIOUS cars. They are actors, singers, movie stars and they want more special treatments! Give us a break! We had enough of their rich spoiled life. We around the world are struggling to make ends meat while they are spending over 70 MILLION dollars in no prop 8 for more special protection of a free CHOICE of sexual living that they are making for themselves! Why don't they give some of their $$$ millions of dollars by helping the poor? Why don't they help homeowners pay off their mortgages? Why don't they help create more jobs? Why don't they donate millions to childrens hospitals? Why don't gays come out to donate more of their money to inner citys? Instead, they keep buying more toys, more gold, more mansions & more mercedes while we americans are suffering in these hard economic times! I say we had enough of their tricks, manupilation, & perverted lifestyle and special treatments! They never had fallen under the discrimanatory act because they werre not BORN that way. They made a choice of being gay! Therefore, we shouldn't pay, and support their choice of unnatural lifestyle. We should start a new proposition that prohibits gays from adopting babys too! And we are tired of their nonsense! They must stop comparing themselves with black americans. And start waking up to their foolishness! We want a better economy! we want common sense! We want truth! We want purity for America!
It is time for America to wakes up! & Defends her little childrens FOREVERMORE!
Vin

Alba, TX

#18 Nov 7, 2008
born that way wrote:
How someone can vote for Obama one second and then vote to take rights away from a group the next is just beyond my comprehension.
Comprehend this - Obama's people and most of his team members in California helped pass prop 8. Where does that leave ya now?
Captain Spellcheck

Alba, TX

#19 Nov 7, 2008
Mrs and Mrs Ruiz wrote:
<quoted text>as a black women thank you for educating this fool. As a black man he should be ashame of himself for voting for discrimination giving our history. How soon it is forgotten.
1. Ashamed*

2. Given*(grammar)

No need to thank me. Wherever bad spelling exists - i'll be there. Wherever nasty grammar lurks - i will flush it out. Wherever ignorance roams,...well, i kinda need some help with THAT one.
el-o-el

Alba, TX

#20 Nov 7, 2008
"Oh my god! Let's petition to re-open prop 8, cause it's so unfair! How dare THE PEOPLE vote that! Oh my god, we need to stop this! Oh wait, it's been done....OH! let's try and break in and steal the votes so they have to start over!"

..unfreakinbelieveable
RED

Huntsville, AL

#21 Nov 7, 2008
So glad it passed. It was not just whites who voted for it either. The majority of blacks did also. The majority has spoken. Deal with it.
West Coaster

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Nov 7, 2008
rich777 wrote:
I am shocked, apalled, & awakened! First of all, I am black and proud of it. Obama was equally elected for president of the USA by the will of the people. Now, there are only few folks who want to overturn the legal passaged of proposition 8 by an illegal act of force! Proposition was legally passed by the will of the people, for the people, & by the people! Why don't they also just overturn OBAMA'S legal election that was won by the will of the people? In addition, being gay is fully 100% free CHOICE that they are making for themselves. They are crying to the world for more special rights and treatments for their act of choice. They are NOT born gay or lesbians. They are choosing to live a UNnatural sexual lifestyle. Yet, they want us to give them more special rights. They are already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts! Gays drive the most LUXURIOUS cars. They are actors, singers, movie stars and they want more special treatments! Give us a break! We had enough of their rich spoiled life. We around the world are struggling to make ends meat while they are spending over 70 MILLION dollars in no prop 8 for more special protection of a free CHOICE of sexual living that they are making for themselves! Why don't they give some of their $$$ millions of dollars by helping the poor? Why don't they help homeowners pay off their mortgages? Why don't they help create more jobs? Why don't they donate millions to childrens hospitals? Why don't gays come out to donate more of their money to inner citys? Instead, they keep buying more toys, more gold, more mansions & more mercedes while we americans are suffering in these hard economic times! I say we had enough of their tricks, manupilation, & perverted lifestyle and special treatments! They never had fallen under the discrimanatory act because they werre not BORN that way. They made a choice of being gay! Therefore, we shouldn't pay, and support their choice of unnatural lifestyle. We should start a new proposition that prohibits gays from adopting babys too! And we are tired of their nonsense! They must stop comparing themselves with black americans. And start waking up to their foolishness! We want a better economy! we want common sense! We want truth! We want purity for America!
It is time for America to wakes up! & Defends her little childrens FOREVERMORE!
you are an f*ing idiot

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