Prop 34 fails but signals the imminen...

Prop 34 fails but signals the imminent demise of California's death penalty | David A Love

There are 2 comments on the The Guardian story from Nov 10, 2012, titled Prop 34 fails but signals the imminent demise of California's death penalty | David A Love. In it, The Guardian reports that:

Anti-death penalty campaigners in Los Angeles. The ballot measure Proposition 37, which would have ended capital punishment in the state, was narrowly rejected.

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Dudley Sharp

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 10, 2012
Love, dead wrong, as usual.

If a poll was done, today, statewide, California death penalty support would be from 68-80%. when inquiring about the death penalty being appropriate for the Night Stalker rapes/murders.

The 53% who rejected prop 34, did so because they didn't believe the pro prop 34 material and/or, otherwise, supported the death penalty; the 47% who accepted prop 34 believed the material and/or rejected the death penalty.

Neither the 53% or 47% tell us about death penalty support, per se.

But, a poll, showing 68-80% death penalty support would, when looking at the horrendous murderers currently on California's death row.

PROP. 34: The Truth Will Kill It ... and it did
Dudley Sharp

An honest discussion about Prop 34 would result in its overwhelming defeat.


Are the cost claims made by the pro Prop 34 folks reliable (1)? No.
The ACLU cost review was easily destroyed (1) and Mitchell and Alarcon, of the $4 billion study infamy, refuse to share their database (1), which we can presume has problems and, therefore, no one can, responsibly, depend upon that review.

Is it possibly that life without parole (LWOP) may cost more than the death penalty? Yes (1).

Virginia has executed 75% of those sentenced to death and has done so within 7.1 years, on average.

All states, inclusive of California, could implement similar protocols and save money over LWOP.


Is it true that innocents are better protected by a death penalty protocol? Yes, in three different ways (2). Innocents are more at risk without the death penalty (2).


Ask the media (or insert any industry) this question.
How principled are you?

If you had a group of corrupt people, who only wanted to shut down the media, by sabotaging the media, would you say, OK, shut down all media?

Or would you say, let's clean it up, get you bad folks out of the picture, and make it work?

A vote for Prop 34 is a vote for folks who have intentionally obstructed justice in these cases, meaning anti death penalty legislators, the defense bar and judges who have made the death penalty so irresponsible and who are the same folks telling us to reward them by giving them what they have been working for, based upon the horrible system they have engineered.

A better idea.

How about demanding a responsible system, such as Virginia's, whereby 75% of those sentenced to death have been executed within 7.1 years, on average - a system similar to what Ca should have, if responsible folks were in charge.

Calif has executed 1.4% of those sentenced because such mismanagement is what such obstructionists (read Prop 34) had in mind.


In addition, 80% of US folks support the death penalty for, truly, "death penalty eligible" murders (3), just as from 56% to 83% have also supported the death penalty when, wrongly, asked about their approval for the death penalty for murders, for which about 90% are not death penalty eligible (3).

1) a) California Death Penalty Cost "Studies"

b) Judicial Watch Issues Report on California ‘End the Death Penalty’ Ballot Initiative

c) Fiscal expert debunks cost savings argument of Prop 34

2) a) The Death Penalty: Saving More Innocent Lives

b) Innocents More At Risk Without Death Penalty

3) US Death Penalty Support at 80%; World Support Remains High

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#2 Nov 12, 2012
Amazing! No, not really! It never stops amazing me that the media will indicate that an election of 53% to 47% in one case is a significant/major, yet in this case it "signals the imminent demise" of the death penalty. So much for truth by the media!

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