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California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases

There are 171 comments on the Advocate story from Aug 29, 2014, titled California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases. In it, Advocate reports that:

California will likely become the first state in the U.S. to officially bar people in court from using the "trans panic" or "gay panic" defense in court.

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Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#1 Aug 29, 2014
Thank you, California! One more thing for the homophobes to whine about....."our rights are being trampled on! Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2 Aug 29, 2014
I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#3 Aug 29, 2014
Wondering wrote:
I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply.
The so-called "panic defense" should NEVER apply. The man has the option of telling the transsexual "get away from me!" and walking away.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

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#4 Aug 29, 2014
Wondering wrote:
I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply.
What is it with you and your obsession with what goes on between two other adults. Don't you have enough going on in that ever so satisfying "straight" life? Afraid you might be attracted to a trans person? Just don't PANIC and everything will be fine!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#5 Aug 29, 2014
NE Jade wrote:
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What is it with you and your obsession with what goes on between two other adults.
It isn't about two other adults, it's about the law. It seems you are obsessed with other couples. Wow!
Cale

San Jose, CA

#6 Aug 29, 2014
I've beat the crap out of more than a few queers that tried to play grab-ass with me.

Just the other day I had to knock a queer out who was eyeballing my junk at the urinal in the men's room.

I don't play that.
Frankie Rizzo

Kansas City, MO

#7 Aug 29, 2014
Cale wrote:
I've beat the crap out of more than a few queers that tried to play grab-ass with me.
Just the other day I had to knock a queer out who was eyeballing my junk at the urinal in the men's room.
I don't play that.
Lying A$$! You've posted that BS before. Go put in the Biggest Gay Lie thread.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#9 Aug 29, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Are you afraid you will have sex with her, enjoy it, and become FULLY HOMOSEXUALIZED ?
No, I'm afraid she might be killed or badly injured. They have enough problems.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#10 Aug 29, 2014
Cale wrote:
I've beat the crap out of more than a few queers that tried to play grab-ass with me.
Just the other day I had to knock a queer out who was eyeballing my junk at the urinal in the men's room.
I don't play that.
In other words, you don't tolerate him just looking? Unless he's actually blowing you, he's in trouble?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#11 Aug 29, 2014
Wondering wrote:
I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply.
So if I were to meet you somewhere and start chatting with you and THEN I realize you're flaming, raging homophobe, is it okay for me to use the bigot-panic defense if I take out my gun and shoot you in the head?

If hearing things that you don't want to hear from a random stranger is justification for killing them, why not a bigot-panic defense?
St Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Aug 29, 2014
As we can see the "rumored" gender case of Ann Coulter has really imprinted in the right wing mind this scenario of a man falsely claiming to be a woman....

Since: Aug 11

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#13 Aug 29, 2014
Gremlin wrote:
Thank you, California! One more thing for the homophobes to whine about....."our rights are being trampled on! Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
I can just hear it. "Oh no, these liberals just made a law against killing or hurting gays and trans people. Now what will I do for fun?"

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#14 Aug 29, 2014
St Rick Saintpornum wrote:
As we can see the "rumored" gender case of Ann Coulter has really imprinted in the right wing mind this scenario of a man falsely claiming to be a woman....
You know, I can't prove Ann Coulter's gender one way or the other, but she sure dresses and acts like a tranny who never learned how to present herself as a genetic woman.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#15 Aug 29, 2014
DOES ANYONE DOUBT THIS?

WASHINGTON - Shock-pundit Ann Coulter dismayed her right-wing fans today when she admitted to being a cross-dressing man in Thursday's press conference. "This started as a joke, as satire, and I think that it has just gone to far." he said to a startled press.

Ann Coulter was born Fredrick Guebermann, of Des Moines, IA. Fredrick moved to San Fransisco on the 1980's to start a career in drag shows. There, he worked under several stage names, including "Crystal Dawn" and "Rosie the Rocket".

"The point of drag shows is to take things over the top, to really push the boundaries of what we think about. Normally, this is done in a very physical way, with lots of glam and glitter. I wanted to see what would happen if I tried to look normal, but act over the top." Ann said to the press.

In 1993, Fredrick received breast implants and started taking hormones. He has not yet had a sex-change operation, and still uses the masculine pronoun.

Upset about the conservative backlash against gay culture, and inspired by satire and parody shows in local theaters, Fred decided to try an experiment. "I dressed up like a suburban housewife and went to a Republican rally. I chatted with my table mates about how evil gays are, and how liberals are destroying America. They ate it up. I had seven guys' phone numbers by the time I left, and some of them were married."

Fredrick then started creating the persona of Ann Coulter, fabricating a background and moving to the East Coast to start moving in conservative circles. "I wanted to see how far I could take it. I wanted to see how extreme I could make the rhetoric before somebody realized it was a joke."

"I'm amazed that nobody ever saw through it. I kept reaching for more outrageous things to say, more hateful, horrible accusations to throw around, and I couldn't beat these guys. No matter what came out of my mouth, the conservatives would buy it."

Ann Coulter's bestselling books "started as character notes. I needed more material to talk about, so I started brainstorming. It actually became much easier to do speaking engagements after publishing a book, because then everyone expects you to quote yourself. After years of improv, suddenly I had a script!"

When asked why he decided to stop now, Fredrick replied, "I ran out of material."

Fredrick went on to explain that the reason is two-fold: after years of slowly increasing the extremity of his rhetoric, he reached a plateau. "I just couldn't take it any further without quoting Hitler. And everyone knows, that's the end of the game."

The second reason is the response to Ann's books and speeches: "This has really gone too far. I never expected that people would actually believe this nonsense. I'm offended that America has become the sort of place where Ann Coulter can be this powerful and popular."

Police escorted Fredrick out of the press conference. Investigators are beginning to look into Ann's law practice and background documents to see if fraud has been committed. No court dates are set as of yet.

"I never wanted to hurt anyone." Fredrick told the press, "I just think this joke has gone too far."

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/02-26-05/dis...
St Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Aug 29, 2014
"DOES ANYONE DOUBT THIS?

"WASHINGTON - Shock-pundit Ann Coulter dismayed her right-wing fans today...."

You're neither helpful nor witty. You're a nuisance.
St Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Aug 29, 2014
"You know, I can't prove Ann Coulter's gender one way or the other, but she sure dresses and acts like a tranny...."

You are offensive.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#18 Aug 29, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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So if I were to meet you somewhere and start chatting with you and THEN I realize you're flaming, raging homophobe, is it okay for me to use the bigot-panic defense if I take out my gun and shoot you in the head?
If hearing things that you don't want to hear from a random stranger is justification for killing them, why not a bigot-panic defense?
If you meet a person that looks like a woman and date her a few times is 'she a random stranger?

One idiot from your side said it's the guys fault because he couldn't tell a man from a woman.
Here's a couple of people that were born male, you decide.
http://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/wp/do...
http://beautypageantnews.com/wp-content/uploa...
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#19 Aug 29, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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So if I were to meet you somewhere and start chatting with you and THEN I realize you're flaming, raging homophobe, is it okay for me to use the bigot-panic defense if I take out my gun and shoot you in the head?
BTW, I'd take it away from you and slap you silly.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#21 Aug 29, 2014
Cale wrote:
I've beat the crap out of more than a few queers that tried to play grab-ass with me.
Just the other day I had to knock a queer out who was eyeballing my junk at the urinal in the men's room.
I don't play that.
Yeah, sure ya did tough guy- right after you finished blowing him...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#22 Aug 29, 2014
Wondering wrote:
I agree with that law as long as the trans person is legally required to identify himself as being trans immediately upon the first hint of interest by a man. If 'she' fails too do so then the 'panic defense' should apply.
Panic over what? That the person you find physically and/or emotionally attractive is actually genetically male??

Would you "panic" as well if the person you thought was white actually turned out to be mixed race? Should we require all mixed-race people to wear a sign and identify themselves as well?

Why is it only men "panic" when the find out another guy finds them attractive? Why is it we never hear about a straight woman "panicking" because some other woman makes a pass at her?

Sounds like these so-called straight men aren't very secure with their sexuality.

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