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There are 59465 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34237 Feb 12, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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Will it if the temperatures remain below freezing and the wind is blowing off the Arctic. If all it took was the sun the Greenland and the Anarctic would of been ice free centuries ago.
Well, that one went completely over your head.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34238 Feb 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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All of your comments exemplify your peanut gallery status, no thoughts of any consequence, just trolling.
Is there anything you care about other than your public masturbation?
You must be having fantasies about watching men. Do you do the same with boys? All of your comments exemplify the nut clueless gallery. See your one up. That would make you CHIEF COMMANDER TROLL.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#34239 Feb 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
You're lying. At Berlin's latitude, those solar collectors should be tilted at 67 degrees, too steep an angle to catch snow. We've been wondering the same about you; what good are you?
Bavaria is further South, maybe the snow is stickier.

If you don't want to believe what I've seen outside my windows, snow covering my neighbors' solar panels, your choice. I guess, if you believe in climate change mitigation, there's not much more information about climate for you to care about.
litesong

Everett, WA

#34240 Feb 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
You're lying. At Berlin's latitude, those solar collectors should be tilted at 67 degrees, too steep an angle to catch snow. We've been wondering the same about you; what good are you?
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'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' wrote:
If you don't want to believe what I've seen outside my windows, snow covering my neighbors' solar panels, your choice.
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litesong wrote:
gcaveman1....... If the neighbor of 'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' had a variable angle solar collector, yes, the angle tilt for winter would be 67 degrees for greatest efficiency on Dec. 21st. However, many collectors are less complicated, weighty & less efficient permanent angle attachments, probably set at a much less steep angle(the snow might not slide off) for the time of the year, when least cloud blockage occurs & excellent solar gain is available for feedback into an on-grid system to the local PUD or energy plant.

Our local PUD has stated, that solar panels with ability to tilt for the season & track the sun across the sky would be able to convert 40% more sunlight to electric energy, given a clear space to the sun in the northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, & northwest.
Teddy R

San Francisco, CA

#34241 Feb 13, 2013
litesong wrote:
gcaveman1 wrote:
Our local PUD has stated, that solar panels with ability to tilt for the season & track the sun across the sky would be able to convert 40% more sunlight to electric energy, given a clear space to the sun in the northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, & northwest.
Save your money.

On average, there are only 160 sunny days per year in Everett, WA.

The rest of the 205 days each year (56%), all that $$ squandered on tilt & track gizmos & controls is pretty much a stone waste - making it a logical candidate for taxpayer subsidies, yeh?

litesong

Everett, WA

#34242 Feb 13, 2013
tina anne wrote:
..... my arguement......my arguement .......your agrument ..... your argument.
I haven't complained about 'tiny-minded anne' & her spelling lately...... because she is trying to cut down on her errors. That's all one can hope for.

This is cute tho. Four attempts & she did get one of them right. Two of them are commonly made, so no big deal. But I think 'agrument' is a new way.........
litesong

Everett, WA

#34243 Feb 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
Save your money.
On average, there are only 160 sunny days per year in Everett, WA.
The rest of the 205 days each year (56%), all that $$ squandered on tilt & track gizmos & controls is
Yeah, got to agree with you. Don't even think we get that many days. Probably someone who builds tracking telescopes could figure an axel rotating parallel to the North-South Poles at a sidereal rate. One advantage of a tracking system tho, would allow you to reduce your solar panels by 40%. I always thought a good builder could build a completely manual tilting & rotating mechanism for a modestly sized solar panel set-up to supply part solar power to 4 or 5 homes of say, 15 to 20 people, some of whom would be at home at the right time. Every week or 2(more often at certain times of the year) they could tilt the array for the changing elevation of the sun. During the day, someone would have to be available to rotate the array every hour or two, either 15 or 30 degrees.

Of course, here in Everett, a flexible solar panel is necessary to roll up & take in the house for the month of solid clouds & rain. Yeah, someone would have to be available to get the solar panels out & working for the possible 4-6 hours, when the clouds would clear away....maybe. It could work at a cost efficient rate....... if you had a gathering of solar people living close to each other.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34244 Feb 13, 2013
litesong wrote:
gcaveman1 wrote:
You're lying. At Berlin's latitude, those solar collectors should be tilted at 67 degrees, too steep an angle to catch snow. We've been wondering the same about you; what good are you?
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'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' wrote:
If you don't want to believe what I've seen outside my windows, snow covering my neighbors' solar panels, your choice.
/////////
litesong wrote:
gcaveman1....... If the neighbor of 'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' had a variable angle solar collector, yes, the angle tilt for winter would be 67 degrees for greatest efficiency on Dec.
21st. However, many collectors are less complicated, weighty & less efficient permanent angle attachments, probably set at a much less steep angle(the snow might not slide off) for the time of the year, when least cloud blockage occurs & excellent solar gain is available for feedback into an on-grid system to the local PUD or energy plant.
Our local PUD has stated, that solar panels with ability to tilt for the season & track the sun across the sky would be able to convert 40% more sunlight to electric energy, given a clear space to the sun in the northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, & northwest.
I was going by the general rules of thumb for the most gain from a fixed collector. That rule is: add 15 degrees to your latitude.

Variable position entails motors and timers or getting up on the roof to physically move them. My latitude is 32 but my collector face is at 58 degrees, but it faces SE. I also don't care a lot about hot water in the summertime; mine is geared for 12/21.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34245 Feb 14, 2013
litesong wrote:
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I haven't complained about 'tiny-minded anne' & her spelling lately...... because she is trying to cut down on her errors. That's all one can hope for.
This is cute tho. Four attempts & she did get one of them right. Two of them are commonly made, so no big deal. But I think 'agrument' is a new way.........
In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#34246 Feb 14, 2013
You worry about what angle to hang your solar panels, you brush off snow and ice.

I use oil to heat my home. That way, I have hot water and heat when I need it.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34247 Feb 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You worry about what angle to hang your solar panels, you brush off snow and ice.
I use oil to heat my home. That way, I have hot water and heat when I need it.
OK, how about paying the REAL cost of that oil? As it is now, you're just dumping your waste CO2 into the atmosphere, not paying for it, psychotically hallucinating that it's "free" to do that.

What you're doing is forcing people in the future to pay for those negative consequences. It's a bit like the national debt, where we're spending money now that people in the future will have to pay back.

In the case of the national debt, though, we know how much it is. We don't really know the future costs of emitting CO2. They could be less than the national debt, but they also could be much, much larger, even orders of magnitude larger. No joke.

Are you one of those righties who believes it's immoral to leave our children a large national debt? If so, then what you're doing could be much, MUCH worse.

Like the saying goes, we don't inherit the earth from our forefathers, we borrow it from our children.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34248 Feb 14, 2013
I would say you rent it. If you borrow it, there would be an expectation to receive it in the same condition as borrowed.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34249 Feb 14, 2013
PHD wrote:
I would say you rent it. If you borrow it, there would be an expectation to receive it in the same condition as borrowed.
OK, I'll go along with that. Let's say we're renting it.

Maybe it'd be a good idea to not completely trash it.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34250 Feb 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You worry about what angle to hang your solar panels, you brush off snow and ice.
I use oil to heat my home. That way, I have hot water and heat when I need it.
My home is heated by gas, electric, and solar. When the sun shines (which it does quite a bit in central Mississippi), my gas and coal (electric) bills go down.

My water is heated by coal (electric). When the sun shines, my water is heated or pre-heated by solar.

I have hot water and heat all the time, but my bills are lower because of solar.

That's something you and your sister, valley girl, less than a box of rocks Teener, don't understand and it's incredibly simple. Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.

Repeat after me: Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.
Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.
Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.
Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.
Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.
Use more solar, use less fossil fuel.

Are you starting to get it now?
litesong

Everett, WA

#34251 Feb 14, 2013
phud fetid feces face fiend wrote:
...... you think.........Attacks on me ......
I think that "phud fetid feces face fiend" doesn't think well. "phud fetid feces face fiend" thinks I attack it, but I only describe "phud fetid feces face fiend" very well.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34253 Feb 15, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, I'll go along with that. Let's say we're renting it.
Maybe it'd be a good idea to not completely trash it.
That would depend on what you are renting.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34254 Feb 15, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that "phud fetid feces face fiend" doesn't think well. "phud fetid feces face fiend" thinks I attack it, but I only describe "phud fetid feces face fiend" very well.
In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#34255 Feb 15, 2013
At any given moment there are twenty active volcanoes on the Earth.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34256 Feb 15, 2013
Twenty-three,“pinheadlitesout” wallop10 AKA walloped again and again and the spaced out spacedoutblues. Soon to erupt more scientific science fiction cut and paste useless babble.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34257 Feb 15, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>That would depend on what you are renting.
Uh... heeelllllooooo! That would be the entire world.

We are currently doing a very dangerous experiment on the only home we have. It MIGHT turn out OK, but it could be an almost incomprehensible disaster.

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