Arizona court keeps candidate off ballot over English skills

Feb 8, 2012 Full story: Reuters 19

Arizona's Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that a city council candidate with limited English skills could be kept off the ballot in a predominately Spanish-speaking town on the Mexico border, and her lawyers said they lacked resources to appeal.

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Send Her Home

AOL

#1 Feb 8, 2012
Hand her a crying towel then send the b/itch back across the border to wipe her tears there.
Concerned

Mexico

#2 Feb 8, 2012
Why is it always Latino this, Latino that. You do not see others such as Chinese, Russian, and other Cultures crying as much as the Latino community, for special rights and concessions. Why do they feel their rights and ability to speak English and assimilate, supercede or prevail over the rights of American Citizens.

I live in Mexico and you do not need to push the number 1 to speak to someomne in English. The signs in Home Depot here are all in Spanish. I do not throw my weight around and demand things. I am learning to speak Spanish so I can talk to people.

I am not picketing and sueing for special rights. I get stopped at road blocks and am continually asked for my passport and visa. I do not bitch and moan about it. It is their country and they have every right to do so.

Why should they have to print reports and paperwork in two languages so she could do her job correctly. It would be easier if she would just learn English then to complain, complain, complain. They would need someone to interpret for her at government meetings and functions. She wants special treatment that is not afforded in other countries.

If she graduated from high school here, it is amazing that she cannot speak English. Especially if she was born here or lived here for some time. She truly does not want to assimilate correctly and become a true American. It seems that many of the Latinos do not learn English here like other nationalities over time. Every person from every other country that I have met in the USA speaks very good English, even after a short period of time in the USA.

My wife is Mexican. Her Uncle receives a pension of $500 a Month from the USA after working there for 20 years. I was schocked as he speaks virtually no English. I speak to him in Spanish that I learned in books, and talking to the Mexican people in just one year. Not perfect but I understand what they are saying and I can communicate.

If she cannot speak English after all this time. Honestly, I would want someone smarter to represent me and be able to address my concerns clearly and with understanding as a citizen.

Exactly

Kansas City, MO

#3 Feb 8, 2012
I agree concerned.
annie

Naperville, IL

#4 Feb 8, 2012
She said she could Speak English, Respond and Read English.

Why couldn't she name her high school when questioned?

Why does she need an interpreter?
pinchejuan

Georgetown, TX

#5 Feb 9, 2012
Concerned wrote:
Why is it always Latino this, Latino that. You do not see others such as Chinese, Russian, and other Cultures crying as much as the Latino community, for special rights and concessions. Why do they feel their rights and ability to speak English and assimilate, supercede or prevail over the rights of American Citizens.
I live in Mexico and you do not need to push the number 1 to speak to someomne in English. The signs in Home Depot here are all in Spanish. I do not throw my weight around and demand things. I am learning to speak Spanish so I can talk to people.
I am not picketing and sueing for special rights. I get stopped at road blocks and am continually asked for my passport and visa. I do not bitch and moan about it. It is their country and they have every right to do so.
Why should they have to print reports and paperwork in two languages so she could do her job correctly. It would be easier if she would just learn English then to complain, complain, complain. They would need someone to interpret for her at government meetings and functions. She wants special treatment that is not afforded in other countries.
If she graduated from high school here, it is amazing that she cannot speak English. Especially if she was born here or lived here for some time. She truly does not want to assimilate correctly and become a true American. It seems that many of the Latinos do not learn English here like other nationalities over time. Every person from every other country that I have met in the USA speaks very good English, even after a short period of time in the USA.
My wife is Mexican. Her Uncle receives a pension of $500 a Month from the USA after working there for 20 years. I was schocked as he speaks virtually no English. I speak to him in Spanish that I learned in books, and talking to the Mexican people in just one year. Not perfect but I understand what they are saying and I can communicate.
If she cannot speak English after all this time. Honestly, I would want someone smarter to represent me and be able to address my concerns clearly and with understanding as a citizen.
She is a Citizen under the Constitution of the United States. She was born here. She speaks English, but the right-wing social engineer in judicial robes finds her proficiency to be under his arbitrary requirements. This is a judicial activist limiting the rights of an American citizen, pure and simple. There is NO official language in this country. This was discussed in the Federalist Papers, some of our forefathers pushing for FRENCH as an official language; we had a lot of anglophobes in the early days - after all, the first war we lost was against England, circa 1812 - we won a total of one battle, fought in New Orleans well after we had sued for peace; after Washington was burned by the Brits. But I digress. This judge needs to be disbarred. The voters can decide the acceptable level of proficiency. The multiple threads filled with screeds of cultural imperialists shows how little history is learned in this country today.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#6 Feb 9, 2012
pinchejuan wrote:
<quoted text>
She is a Citizen under the Constitution of the United States. She was born here. She speaks English, but the right-wing social engineer in judicial robes finds her proficiency to be under his arbitrary requirements. This is a judicial activist limiting the rights of an American citizen, pure and simple. There is NO official language in this country. This was discussed in the Federalist Papers, some of our forefathers pushing for FRENCH as an official language; we had a lot of anglophobes in the early days - after all, the first war we lost was against England, circa 1812 - we won a total of one battle, fought in New Orleans well after we had sued for peace; after Washington was burned by the Brits. But I digress. This judge needs to be disbarred. The voters can decide the acceptable level of proficiency. The multiple threads filled with screeds of cultural imperialists shows how little history is learned in this country today.
Wrong! The Judge hired an EXPERT in language. It is the expert that gave his "expert" testimony to said Judge and the expert's testimony included the fact that this stupid woman is NOT English proficient. Even *she* states she knows she is not proficient, but believes she should be allowed to run because so many in her area speak Spanish.

That is a ridiculous suggestion.

There are requirements for any public office and the requirement in Arizona is English proficiency.

Arizona, as well as the majority of other states all have English as the official language on their books. The few states who do not, the majority of them are in the process of doing so.

The "country" doesn't have to have English as the official language. Individual states are allowed to do so, and have.

This woman does not qualify. Period.
Concerned

Mexico

#7 Feb 9, 2012
pinchejuan wrote:
<quoted text>
She is a Citizen under the Constitution of the United States. She was born here. She speaks English, but the right-wing social engineer in judicial robes finds her proficiency to be under his arbitrary requirements. This is a judicial activist limiting the rights of an American citizen, pure and simple. There is NO official language in this country. This was discussed in the Federalist Papers, some of our forefathers pushing for FRENCH as an official language; we had a lot of anglophobes in the early days - after all, the first war we lost was against England, circa 1812 - we won a total of one battle, fought in New Orleans well after we had sued for peace; after Washington was burned by the Brits. But I digress. This judge needs to be disbarred. The voters can decide the acceptable level of proficiency. The multiple threads filled with screeds of cultural imperialists shows how little history is learned in this country today.
In all due respect you have to give the judge credit. He went the extra mile and hired someone that was more able then him to decide. More educated in their field then you or I, or the judge? Was it not more then one judge that ruled on this? I would call this judge more then fair.

The woman after all did need an interpretor. Tou can not have problems when iot comes to representation of the people. I want someone who can understand very clearly the words that I am paying my tax dollars for.

She could make an unpopular decission and later say I did not understand what was said in the meeting. Can I have a do over?
pinchejuan

Georgetown, TX

#8 Feb 11, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong! The Judge hired an EXPERT in language. It is the expert that gave his "expert" testimony to said Judge and the expert's testimony included the fact that this stupid woman is NOT English proficient. Even *she* states she knows she is not proficient, but believes she should be allowed to run because so many in her area speak Spanish.
That is a ridiculous suggestion.
There are requirements for any public office and the requirement in Arizona is English proficiency.
Arizona, as well as the majority of other states all have English as the official language on their books. The few states who do not, the majority of them are in the process of doing so.
The "country" doesn't have to have English as the official language. Individual states are allowed to do so, and have.
This woman does not qualify. Period.
Yeah, and the energy companies hire psuedo-scientists as "experts" to "debunk" human involvement in climate change, as well. Doesn't make it the truth. The proper judge for proficiency is the electorate only. But there are none so judicially activist as those who decry judicial activists. Anyone who limits the freedom of others is the enemy by definition.
LMAO

Omaha, NE

#9 Feb 11, 2012
pinchejuan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and the energy companies hire psuedo-scientists as "experts" to "debunk" human involvement in climate change, as well. Doesn't make it the truth. The proper judge for proficiency is the electorate only. But there are none so judicially activist as those who decry judicial activists. Anyone who limits the freedom of others is the enemy by definition.
Enlighten yourself. google: Arizona Enabling Act of 1910.
ima

El Paso, TX

#10 Feb 11, 2012
Concerned wrote:
Why is it always Latino this, Latino that. You do not see others such as Chinese, Russian, and other Cultures crying as much as the Latino community, for special rights and concessions. Why do they feel their rights and ability to speak English and assimilate, supercede or prevail over the rights of American Citizens.
I live in Mexico and you do not need to push the number 1 to speak to someomne in English. The signs in Home Depot here are all in Spanish. I do not throw my weight around and demand things. I am learning to speak Spanish so I can talk to people.
I am not picketing and sueing for special rights. I get stopped at road blocks and am continually asked for my passport and visa. I do not bitch and moan about it. It is their country and they have every right to do so.
Why should they have to print reports and paperwork in two languages so she could do her job correctly. It would be easier if she would just learn English then to complain, complain, complain. They would need someone to interpret for her at government meetings and functions. She wants special treatment that is not afforded in other countries.
If she graduated from high school here, it is amazing that she cannot speak English. Especially if she was born here or lived here for some time. She truly does not want to assimilate correctly and become a true American. It seems that many of the Latinos do not learn English here like other nationalities over time. Every person from every other country that I have met in the USA speaks very good English, even after a short period of time in the USA.
My wife is Mexican. Her Uncle receives a pension of $500 a Month from the USA after working there for 20 years. I was schocked as he speaks virtually no English. I speak to him in Spanish that I learned in books, and talking to the Mexican people in just one year. Not perfect but I understand what they are saying and I can communicate.
If she cannot speak English after all this time. Honestly, I would want someone smarter to represent me and be able to address my concerns clearly and with understanding as a citizen.
You are absolutely right.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#11 Feb 13, 2012
pinchejuan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and the energy companies hire psuedo-scientists as "experts" to "debunk" human involvement in climate change, as well. Doesn't make it the truth. The proper judge for proficiency is the electorate only. But there are none so judicially activist as those who decry judicial activists. Anyone who limits the freedom of others is the enemy by definition.
LMAO! No one can use a "pseudo" anything in a court case and call them an expert. People must have certain documents (something you illegal supporters don't seem to be able to comprehend) as well as degrees that give them the ability to testify as experts. The "other" side of the lawsuit most certainly will ask for credentials.

There are requirements in place. This lady does not meet them. The voters do not decide the requirements or whether someone meets them. We cannot set precedent for non-English speakers to run for office, as then anyone who is not proficient could run (not just Spanish speakers). How well could a person who speaks German deal with holding that office? And yet, a precedent that they don't need to be English proficient *could* have someone running that speaks German (or any other language).

English is on the books in Arizona and it's a requirement to hold office. You'll just have to get over yourself and deal with it. Spanish speakers are not special and do not deserve to bypass requirements.
ima

El Paso, TX

#12 Feb 13, 2012
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
In all due respect you have to give the judge credit. He went the extra mile and hired someone that was more able then him to decide. More educated in their field then you or I, or the judge? Was it not more then one judge that ruled on this? I would call this judge more then fair.
The woman after all did need an interpretor. Tou can not have problems when iot comes to representation of the people. I want someone who can understand very clearly the words that I am paying my tax dollars for.
She could make an unpopular decission and later say I did not understand what was said in the meeting. Can I have a do over?
I agree, very brilliant
pinchejuan

Georgetown, TX

#13 Feb 14, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! No one can use a "pseudo" anything in a court case and call them an expert. People must have certain documents (something you illegal supporters don't seem to be able to comprehend) as well as degrees that give them the ability to testify as experts. The "other" side of the lawsuit most certainly will ask for credentials.
There are requirements in place. This lady does not meet them. The voters do not decide the requirements or whether someone meets them. We cannot set precedent for non-English speakers to run for office, as then anyone who is not proficient could run (not just Spanish speakers). How well could a person who speaks German deal with holding that office? And yet, a precedent that they don't need to be English proficient *could* have someone running that speaks German (or any other language).
English is on the books in Arizona and it's a requirement to hold office. You'll just have to get over yourself and deal with it. Spanish speakers are not special and do not deserve to bypass requirements.
"No one can use a psuedo-anything in a court case? What rock do you live under? Do you not realize that the DEA still testifies that there is no therapeutic use for cannabis? That's been provable bull droppings since that 19th century Jamaican study and confirmed as nonsense by every study from LaGuardia through Nixon to today. How many documentaries does it take to show you that even the majority of confessions are coerced. Check the Todd Willingham arson case, where it turns out the forensic "experts" were talking out their ventral orifices and ended up causing the execution of an innocent man. Among the dangerous delusions you are under, this sanctity of testimony is among the most dangerous. And if you think a partisan judge is after anything but partisan advantage, then you have yet another dangerous delusion.
This is a city gig. Let the citizens speak, not some partisan judicial activist, proving the right does far more social engineering than the left. The voters have the right to speak and I hope ferverntly they speak LOUDLY when this judge comes up for reelection.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#14 Aug 15, 2012
pinchejuan wrote:
<quoted text>She is a Citizen under the Constitution of the United States. She was born here. She speaks English, but the right-wing social engineer in judicial robes finds her proficiency to be under his arbitrary requirements. This is a judicial activist limiting the rights of an American citizen, pure and simple. There is NO official language in this country. This was discussed in the Federalist Papers, some of our forefathers pushing for FRENCH as an official language; we had a lot of anglophobes in the early days - after all, the first war we lost was against England, circa 1812 - we won a total of one battle, fought in New Orleans well after we had sued for peace; after Washington was burned by the Brits. But I digress. This judge needs to be disbarred. The voters can decide the acceptable level of proficiency. The multiple threads filled with screeds of cultural imperialists shows how little history is learned in this country today.
Actually, Spanish was spoken long before English in Arizona.

There should be other qualities to be taken into account instead of language proficiency. No doubt about it, there is a lot of racism in Arizona.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15 Aug 15, 2012
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>In all due respect you have to give the judge credit. He went the extra mile and hired someone that was more able then him to decide. More educated in their field then you or I, or the judge? Was it not more then one judge that ruled on this? I would call this judge more then fair.

The woman after all did need an interpretor. Tou can not have problems when iot comes to representation of the people. I want someone who can understand very clearly the words that I am paying my tax dollars for.

She could make an unpopular decission and later say I did not understand what was said in the meeting. Can I have a do over?
You should write "than", not "then."

It is "interpreter", not "interpretor."

Go back to school!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#16 Aug 15, 2012
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text>Enlighten yourself. google: Arizona Enabling Act of 1910.
If English proficiency is the issue, how come then George W. Bush became president? What about Arnold, the ex-governor of California?

We all know that this controversy is about racism in Arizona. If she had been a white lady raised in Germany, no one would have questioned her English skills whatsoever.

What about the Puertoricans, they are many of them in the government even though their primary language is Spanish.

Are we gonna make the governor of Puerto Rico speak English as well?
EaZy-E

United States

#17 Aug 15, 2012
Aned337 wrote:
<quoted text>
You should write "than", not "then."
It is "interpreter", not "interpretor."
Go back to school!
Oh good god, really? Because you've never mistyped.

I'm guessing you just don't agree with his/her truthful comment

“Conservatism is a Disease.”

Since: Nov 11

Lake Los Angeles, CA

#18 Aug 15, 2012
EaZy-E wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh good god, really? Because you've never mistyped.
I'm guessing you just don't agree with his/her truthful comment
True dat!!!
Grammar Slammer

Fullerton, CA

#19 Aug 15, 2012
Aned337 wrote:
<quoted text>
If English proficiency is the issue, how come then George W. Bush became president? What about Arnold, the ex-governor of California?
We all know that this controversy is about racism in Arizona. If she had been a white lady raised in Germany, no one would have questioned her English skills whatsoever.
What about the Puertoricans, they are many of them in the government even though their primary language is Spanish.
Are we gonna make the governor of Puerto Rico speak English as well?
"If English proficiency is the issue,[how come then George W. Bush became president?]"

Can I get a grammar check on this one judge?

"What about the [Puertoricans]" is fairly clear.

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