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AZ Medical Marijuana Question, Proposition 203

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BonziBuddy1

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Today Israel announced a new strain of pot with no THC at all, that strain has been OK'd for use by patients in Israel.

Why are people that claim to not smoke pot so darned confused? I bet some of those islamic folks are drinking alcohol.

I went to the Arizona page about legalized pot for medical use. Ok after they sell you a medical marijuanna card, whoever the doctor was that gave you the OK for use of pot for illness, that doctor is not allowed to tell anyone he Ok'd it for you. You don't have to tell anyone that you have the card, which could make a difference in a medical emergency if your blood pressure seems off. Any blood test wil indicate that you have been using pot of course but then that record can be viewed by the federal government if you belong to any of dozens of federal organizations including SS.

If you show your card to the police and have a legal amount they leave you alone, if you do not have the card with you however, you could be in worse shape than a normal person arrested for pot. The police can not ask what doctor OK'd you for pot. When the card is issued they assure you that no-one will be informed that you have the card. So the state promises to not tell the federal government that you are commiting a federal crime. If no one can confirm that you actually have a marijuanna card then how can they prove a fake card is not real? This is not an idle question. I have seen fake cards for sale in Kingman for $20. Sounds like the fakes are just as good as the real ones, well actually maybe the fakes are better than the real ones because Arizona has a bad track record of keeping secrets. Not to mention the voters legalized pot 3 times now and this is the first time that cards were issued, and am none too sure how long it will stay legal for patients.

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Well in the first place , drugs are a personal choice and affect no one but the user. It's there decision. The other crimes affect others (not willing ).
Is that the best you can do for a argument?
" affect no one but the user " ? You can ask thousands of little children that question . They may not know what causes the problems , but they know that something's wrong. Self-justification
is a very unfair argument. The logic is just not there. You are GUILTY of damaging some other person's life.

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Kevin McDermott wrote:
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Well in the first place , drugs are a personal choice and affect no one but the user. It's there decision. The other crimes affect others (not willing ).
Is that the best you can do for a argument?
*** Marijuana may or may not be dangerous. Don't group it with other drugs and say something as undefendable as " drugs affect no one but the user ". That is really not a very intelligent statement.
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<quoted text> *** Marijuana may or may not be dangerous. Don't group it with other drugs and say something as undefendable as " drugs affect no one but the user ". That is really not a very intelligent statement.
Here we go with unintelligent statements, ugh.

In mid 1950s the United States created a new tree that had never existed before. They neutered a white mulberry so it could have no fruit or seed, and yet provide shade. Just a shade tree right? Well they didn't note that the original tree had mild poison in the sap and created hallucinations in people who injested it. It has been sold all over the Earth now as a "Male Fruitless Mulberry Tree", the plant had been genetically stable before it was modified, now many genetic mutations are passing from a single parent plant. That is only way this tree should be able to spread, and yet it is spreading into the wild in means unknown. One scientist suggests that due to increased flooding worldwide perhaps the trees are being broken up and spread in pieces to areas where they can take root. Another option is possible genetic pollen that enables it to change other related species into what it is. Good intentions but this thing was not unserstood.
Now the trees produce more pollen than any other plant on Earth in size ration. Some people have died within 3 minutes of contact with the pollen, with almost everyone effected to some degree. Deaths are only estimated since cause was unknown until a test was created, even now the test is rarely performed on corpses. Number dead ranges from 10,000 on the low side to 10,000,000 on high side worlwide. Many botanists are calling on destruction of all of these trees whether in cities or those trees that have spread into the wild. The sap of the original tree had small amounts of poison, but some mutations now have enormous amounts of toxic substances that can kill almost any living creature on Earth, especially birds. When nested in these trees bird nests have only about a 10% survival rate causing some bird species to have multiple broods. In some areas of Asia, this sap was used as a medical compound in medications, without a genetic test it is hard to tell if it is a mutant tree or if of the old species. So some medicines can kill and children miss-use of the plant for the High" can die almost instantly if they pick the wrong plant.
In US lawsuits are climbing against home owners from neighbors due to health effects from pollen or death. Now with worldwide calls for destruction of this plant with apeals to the UN, cost of eradication may be in the Trillions of US dollars, perhaps even surpassing the US national Debt, and worldwide the fingers are pointing at the US. Painful, after all the motherplant was from Asia. The best laid plans, and great intentions, well all sorts of sayings come to mind when considering this manmade freak monster plant.
Consider how many edible plants have been created with genes from this n that, and only now 60 years after this shade tree was created, we are starting to understand what a horrible thing we have let loose upon our Earth.

As long as marijuana has not been tampered with, it should be safe for medical use, even safer than many chemical drugs created in recent years that have not been around long enough to see side effects. But if the marijuanna has been genetically altered, then think twice. We know not, what we do.

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Here we go with unintelligent statements, ugh.
In mid 1950s the United States created a new tree that had never existed before. They neutered a white mulberry so it could have no fruit or seed, and yet provide shade. Just a shade tree right? Well they didn't note that the original tree had mild poison in the sap and created hallucinations in people who injested it. It has been sold all over the Earth now as a "Male Fruitless Mulberry Tree", the plant had been genetically stable before it was modified, now many genetic mutations are passing from a single parent plant. That is only way this tree should be able to spread, and yet it is spreading into the wild in means unknown. One scientist suggests that due to increased flooding worldwide perhaps the trees are being broken up and spread in pieces to areas where they can take root. Another option is possible genetic pollen that enables it to change other related species into what it is. Good intentions but this thing was not unserstood.
Now the trees produce more pollen than any other plant on Earth in size ration. Some people have died within 3 minutes of contact with the pollen, with almost everyone effected to some degree. Deaths are only estimated since cause was unknown until a test was created, even now the test is rarely performed on corpses. Number dead ranges from 10,000 on the low side to 10,000,000 on high side worlwide. Many botanists are calling on destruction of all of these trees whether in cities or those trees that have spread into the wild. The sap of the original tree had small amounts of poison, but some mutations now have enormous amounts of toxic substances that can kill almost any living creature on Earth, especially birds. When nested in these trees bird nests have only about a 10% survival rate causing some bird species to have multiple broods. In some areas of Asia, this sap was used as a medical compound in medications, without a genetic test it is hard to tell if it is a mutant tree or if of the old species. So some medicines can kill and children miss-use of the plant for the High" can die almost instantly if they pick the wrong plant.
In US lawsuits are climbing against home owners from neighbors due to health effects from pollen or death. Now with worldwide calls for destruction of this plant with apeals to the UN, cost of eradication may be in the Trillions of US dollars, perhaps even surpassing the US national Debt, and worldwide the fingers are pointing at the US. Painful, after all the motherplant was from Asia. The best laid plans, and great intentions, well all sorts of sayings come to mind when considering this manmade freak monster plant.
Consider how many edible plants have been created with genes from this n that, and only now 60 years after this shade tree was created, we are starting to understand what a horrible thing we have let loose upon our Earth.
As long as marijuana has not been tampered with, it should be safe for medical use, even safer than many chemical drugs created in recent years that have not been around long enough to see side effects. But if the marijuanna has been genetically altered, then think twice. We know not, what we do.
I didn't think or say that marijuana was
unsafe for medical use. I was commenting on Kevin McDermott's statement
that (to paraphrase)- Drugs harm no one but the user . Do you agree with Kevin ? Say one way or the other and then we can determine if the rest of your statement has any merit.
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NeuterGirl wrote:
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Here we go with unintelligent statements, ugh.
In mid 1950s the United States created a new tree that had never existed before. They neutered a white mulberry so it could have no fruit or seed, and yet provide shade.---
Consider how many edible plants have been created with genes from this n that, and only now 60 years after this shade tree was created, we are starting to understand what a horrible thing we have let loose upon our Earth.
As long as marijuana has not been tampered with, it should be safe for medical use, even safer than many chemical drugs created in recent years that have not been around long enough to see side effects. But if the marijuanna has been genetically altered, then think twice. We know not, what we do.
I cut some quote.
Sure sounded nuts, but checked it out. WOW
Some could not find, but did see a video of one of these trees killing a rat. Rat was just climbing on the bark and then there was a blur, rat stopped like it noticed something, then started climbing again. It stopped in mid climb with one foot reaching out and it was like the eyes glazed over and it fell, Plop. Video noted that the rat was dead before it hit the ground. Awesome, but it scared my girlfriend. Nasty looking black gray rat with crooked nose.They said the tree was the fastest plant known now. It can flick the pollen pod faster than a rattlesnake can strike, around 600 mph, faster than takeoff speed for a jet fighter. Pictures of the pollen were nasty too when blown up , all hooks and barbs. Long list of poisons in that tree including a neurotoxin similar to a cobra. No way I believe that tree was created by some nerd with a clay pot from Homes and Garden. Had to be a military project, guess they wanted a plant that would act like a mine field. Showed that rat hit in slow motion, 50 times slower than real time and it was still a blur, they told about the speed being so great that it could embed the pollen in the skin of the rat despite the rough hair on the rat. WOW again. Why is this not being shown on some nature show, would make a great horror movie, but it is real. These trees are all around Kingman would hate to prune one during pollination period, in fact it changes the way I look at all trees. Spooky, like "Night of the Mulberry" This needs it's own topic, and you need to use a spell checker, but the info was good as far as I can tell.Keep finding references to created in US, but nowhere can I find the name or company that made em. Has to be military or some 3 letter agency. Spooky stuff.
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Tea Party Patriot wrote:
Right the Feds don't step in when we need them to enforce one of their Federal laws on Boarder security. They even sue us when we vote to enforce boarder laws that they are doing a piss poor job of! However that is how most of you are getting your pot so I am sure you don't like the border security laws!
Then another Federal law that says you may not use or possess Marijuana in the U.S.A is overlooked for now my the Feds! That is messed up!
Whats next? If AZ voters want other illegal drugs, Cocaine, Meth, many will argue they "need it" it helps them, and they use daily! Where does this train-wreck stop? Where is the line drawn?
The Feds still do go bust "Pot Shoppes" in California now and then,I hope they do it plenty times here!
This law was passed,by corrupt voting. In Phoenix thousands who voted on this never had to show any legal ID, so how do we know if they were valid Arizona voters? We don't!... If it was flipped the other way and did not pass because of voters who were not even proven legal valid citizens or living in Arizona, I bet all the Mary Jane lovers would be freaking out!
Probably be a recount!
I enjoy all of you showing your ignorance and tainted views against what I stand for. You want to wrap yourselves in the American flag and light up a fatty! Some sorry people you are have to get high to even live! That is really respectable!
People who agree with legalizing drug laws,and the other far out thinking that goes along with this liberal agenda is taking out country down, fast!
Basic Tea Party nonsense, holler small Government all the way up until it is what they want regulated, biggest bunch of confused hypocrites in the States, but at least they come by it honestly, as all religious people are the same way. Bible thumping hypocrites are the bane of Society, and the sooner we rid this Planet of their nonsense the better. Palin was believed to have mental problems by the people in her own Party. Watch some of the you tube videos where her fans are asked simple questions. Seems even the fans suffer mental problems. Personally, I think it is from years of inbreeding among a certain group that identify themselves as tea party loons. An embarrassment to the entire Country.
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I hate when people wake up in the morning and Put on their thick skull. Our first president smoked pot and and Albert Einstein was a drop out in school yet he was one of the smartest people that ever lived. He was by far smarter than any of us. He smoked pot. You people piss me off. You open your big mouths and quote shit that isn't true. Pots far from dangerous. And shouldn't be considered a drug. and as far the marijuana and driving I've asked at least 5 cops how many people have gotten in accidents from ONLY pot. As is it turns out the only things all the cops said was people who smoke pot and drive; driive slower and more cautiously. The ones who get in accidents had other substances in their system like pills and alcohol. You people need to actually do your research, Before making claims like you do. If your against pot and say to others and yourself I'll never try pot, pots a drug. Yea well have fun drinking because alcohol IS A LEGAL Poison. Being drunk or even drinking at all is stupid and you antipot people I bet drink because it's legal.. And guess what it used to be illegal. Do your research a bit better because.

People that died from alcohol(driving accidents and overdoses included)- millions
People that died from strictly pot( driving accidents and overdoses included)- 0
People are different

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"As is it turns out the only things all the cops said was people who smoke pot and drive; driive slower and more cautiously."

Not true at all with me.

Not all can use MJ and drive.
I couldn't and wouldn't.
I can't speak for others, but you need to do
more research yourself.
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Meth has no medicinal value, but answer me this know it all, WHY IS COCAINE. ON SCHEDULE II when it should be on schedule I?
Meth and crack will never be legalized. The shit kills people.
I agree with you in principle, but the facts are that Meth has been used as medicine perhaps since 60,000 years ago when it was burried in a tomb in Iraq in it's plant form. The plant form is Ephedra and is also known as Mormon-tea, the active ingredient is called Ephedrine, but quanities of Ephedrine in Mormon-Tea are much lower in the American plant than what is found in the Middle East or Asia. Altitude at which the plant is grown can effect the quanity as well. Ephedrine is very similar to adrenalin and is usually chemically identical and name is often used interchangibly by medical experts. Ephedrine or pseudoephedrine is used in perhaps hundreds of over the counter remedies, however is controlled in many states as to access because the ephedrine can be isolated and thereby strengthened into the more potent form we usually call Meth. Ephedrine is used in many asthma medications including epipens and in cases of heart attack when heart has stopped beating. It has perhaps saved more lives than any other drug when used properly.

The drug form called Methylin; Methylphenidate, also known as Ritalin has been used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in children and Narcolepsy in Adults. Ritalin is a very high concentration of the drug, but is designed to release (usually) over an extended period of time. Hence in this form it has very similar effects to Meth and Cocaine, lasting for a very long time period. I do question it's use in children for more than 6 months.

In a slightly changed form,(almost identical chemically) it is called Methamphetamine and was used in last century as a diet weight treatment, but for most part that use has ended.Oddly enough Obesity has now reached near epidemic proportions, but Methamphetamines do cause heart issues. In 60s - 70s street name was Speed.

All of these plant and chemical names can be searched on Wikipedia as well as various other sites. This drug can be a lifesaver or a killer, all depends on how it is employed. Miss-use as nick name Meth can destroy people's lives, or kill. Another problem with the street drug is people manufacturing it with improper care or wrong chemicals that are not properly extracted at the end of manufacturing process, that means that some batches of home cooked Meth can actually have very high amounts of POISON and not just Meth.

Meth Rhymes with Death, a good thing to remember. It does not seem possible to control, far too easy to make. Education may be the only tool that will work, but children do tend to remember when they are lied to by adults, so they may not listen when told the truth about the dangers of Meth. Catch 22.

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People disappoint me wrote:
I hate when people wake up in the morning and Put on their thick skull. Our first president smoked pot and and Albert Einstein was a drop out in school yet he was one of the smartest people that ever lived. He was by far smarter than any of us. He smoked pot. You people piss me off. You open your big mouths and quote shit that isn't true. Pots far from dangerous. And shouldn't be considered a drug. and as far the marijuana and driving I've asked at least 5 cops how many people have gotten in accidents from ONLY pot. As is it turns out the only things all the cops said was people who smoke pot and drive; driive slower and more cautiously. The ones who get in accidents had other substances in their system like pills and alcohol. You people need to actually do your research, Before making claims like you do. If your against pot and say to others and yourself I'll never try pot, pots a drug. Yea well have fun drinking because alcohol IS A LEGAL Poison. Being drunk or even drinking at all is stupid and you antipot people I bet drink because it's legal.. And guess what it used to be illegal. Do your research a bit better because.
People that died from alcohol(driving accidents and overdoses included)- millions
People that died from strictly pot( driving accidents and overdoses included)- 0
People that died from asking cops too many questions - hundreds.
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Well in the first place , drugs are a personal choice and affect no one but the user.
Don't you think it will hurt your family when you get busted in a pee test at work or get in involved in a traffic accident and the officer at the scene thinks you are wasted and has you checked and you get charged with DUI? You get a "drug related dismissal" on your work record that will follow you around like your shadow and your car insurance gets cancelled or goes on extra high risk rates. Hurts no one? Explain that to your wife and kids.

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<quoted text> Don't you think it will hurt your family when you get busted in a pee test at work or get in involved in a traffic accident and the officer at the scene thinks you are wasted and has you checked and you get charged with DUI? You get a "drug related dismissal" on your work record that will follow you around like your shadow and your car insurance gets cancelled or goes on extra high risk rates. Hurts no one? Explain that to your wife and kids.
First,I don't use them. But many people that do have to steal from you and I. Our insurance rates go up we have to pay D.E.A.. We have to pay for prisons. Let them have the drugs for free time will cure the problem.
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ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> Don't you think it will hurt your family when you get busted in a pee test at work or get in involved in a traffic accident and the officer at the scene thinks you are wasted and has you checked and you get charged with DUI? You get a "drug related dismissal" on your work record that will follow you around like your shadow and your car insurance gets cancelled or goes on extra high risk rates. Hurts no one? Explain that to your wife and kids.
Posted on Topix Asheville 12/15/2012
As if the child sexual molestations and union violence aren't enough up north, now we have an unbelievable mass murder in Connecticunt. And this is a cultural thing. Here in the South, we are family oriented and attend church Sundays and Wednesdays. We are moral. The northern states, on the other hand, are morally bankrupt with very low church attendance, rampant sexual perversion, rampant crime. The north could learn a thing or two from us Southerners.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/asheville-nc/...

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Posted on Topix Asheville 12/15/2012
As if the child sexual molestations and union violence aren't enough up north, now we have an unbelievable mass murder in Connecticunt. And this is a cultural thing. Here in the South, we are family oriented and attend church Sundays and Wednesdays. We are moral. The northern states, on the other hand, are morally bankrupt with very low church attendance, rampant sexual perversion, rampant crime. The north could learn a thing or two from us Southerners.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/asheville-nc/...
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Your moral compass statement is absolutely hilarious. A quick check of the CDC (Center of Disease Control) website shows that the south and south east of the United States leads the country in cases of AIDS, HIV, Chalmydia, Gonorrhea,and Syphillis. Quite a record for church going, morally rich people without rampant sezual perversions.
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Senseless...
Well, at least your name suits you.
I lived for almost 30 years in southeast Alabama.
Those people are the lowest of the low...the scum of the earth.
You go to church on Sunday and Wednesday and that makes you moral? What a load of shit.
You might go to church on Sunday and Wednesday but every other day of the week you are hateful bigoted racist misogynistic assholes.
You hate everyone and everything that is not a TRAITOROUS confederate waving that traitors flag.
The whole planet would be better off if you all just dropped off of it.
You foul up our air with your stench.
If a southerner was on fire, I wouldn't piss on it to put it out.
You all deserve to burn.

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WOW! Are we gonna let people smoke weed in a state that allows the purchase of AK-47s, AR-15s, and other assault rifles?
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*homies
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If it becomes legal than all my homeys and I could not make a good living growing and selling it! We would have to get a job!! What than?

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WOW! Are we gonna let people smoke weed in a state that allows the purchase of AK-47s, AR-15s, and other assault rifles?
After they smoke they eat and go to sleep. I worry about the drunks.

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*homies
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Thanks for the correction . It is a drop of rain in a desert of ignorance.

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