Ariz. immigration law a legal minefie...

Ariz. immigration law a legal minefield for police

There are 11 comments on the The Marion Star story from Sep 6, 2012, titled Ariz. immigration law a legal minefield for police. In it, The Marion Star reports that:

More than two years after it was signed into law, the most contentious part of Arizona's landmark immigration legislation is expected to finally go into effect following a federal court ruling issued late Wednesday.

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Really

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Sep 6, 2012
So can white visitors in AZ also call the hot line, after being stalked, followed and harassed by Hispanic L.E. Officers? It happens, this isn't a one-sided situation at all.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Sep 6, 2012
This is just the pro-illegal organizations making all order of threats and overblowing their own importance.

Once a few stops are made, people rightfully deported and the courts see that police can enforce the law without prejudice, we'll all go back to normal.
El Chingon

Mountain View, CA

#3 Sep 6, 2012
Free is free wrote:
This is just the pro-illegal organizations making all order of threats and overblowing their own importance.
Once a few stops are made, people rightfully deported and the courts see that police can enforce the law without prejudice, we'll all go back to normal.
All it takes is one, just one, "paper please" type stop of a legal Hispanic American citizen and, bang, civil rights violation test case.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Sep 6, 2012
El Chingon wrote:
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All it takes is one, just one, "paper please" type stop of a legal Hispanic American citizen and, bang, civil rights violation test case.
If an officer makes legal contact and has reasonable cause for suspicion, the legal status of the person detained is immaterial. There are scenarios in which a person who is here legitimately can arouse the suspicion of any reasonable person; in such a scenario, a cop is completely justified in detaining that person.

Some seem to think that an officer merely stopping a person who's here legally is cause to dismiss a law; it just isn't so. Good luck overreacting, though..
LMAO

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Sep 6, 2012
The 3 Arizona illegals on the Undocubus get caught entering AZ. They've already stated "we're illegal and we have no documents." lol
Undocubus

De Soto, KS

#6 Sep 7, 2012
If I were on the return trip and have no documents, I'd keep going....
El Chingon

United States

#7 Sep 7, 2012
Free is free wrote:
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If an officer makes legal contact and has reasonable cause for suspicion, the legal status of the person detained is immaterial. There are scenarios in which a person who is here legitimately can arouse the suspicion of any reasonable person; in such a scenario, a cop is completely justified in detaining that person.
Some seem to think that an officer merely stopping a person who's here legally is cause to dismiss a law; it just isn't so. Good luck overreacting, though..
Okay, take this "scenario": A van driving down the road over the speed limit, cop stops the vehicle and notices 10 dark-skinned passengers with baggage. No argument that the cop is right to make the stop and perhaps to question the driver. But what about the passengers? If they sit still, say nothing, and do nothing to arouse the cop's suspicion then what should the cop do in this case.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Sep 7, 2012
El Chingon wrote:
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Okay, take this "scenario": A van driving down the road over the speed limit, cop stops the vehicle and notices 10 dark-skinned passengers with baggage. No argument that the cop is right to make the stop and perhaps to question the driver. But what about the passengers? If they sit still, say nothing, and do nothing to arouse the cop's suspicion then what should the cop do in this case.
Idunno. I'm not a cop and I'm not gonna play one. Have fun putting together strawmen and knocking them down.
El Chingon

United States

#9 Sep 7, 2012
Free is free wrote:
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Idunno. I'm not a cop and I'm not gonna play one. Have fun putting together strawmen and knocking them down.
You're the one that brought "strawmen" into the discussion in post 4. Just playing along.

BTW: I'm not a cop either but being dark-skinned myself (Native American), I've been subjected to unwarranted harassment by Arizona Le, but probably being white-skinned, you know nothing of what I speak. Therefore, no knowledge = shut yap, yes?
Thmb Down

De Soto, KS

#10 Sep 8, 2012
El Chingon wrote:
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You're the one that brought "strawmen" into the discussion in post 4. Just playing along.
BTW: I'm not a cop either but being dark-skinned myself (Native American), I've been subjected to unwarranted harassment by Arizona Le, but probably being white-skinned, you know nothing of what I speak. Therefore, no knowledge = shut yap, yes?
Actually I'm white and I've been followed by Phoenix P.D. Officers every time I drive. Did I mention the officers have been either black or Hispanic? A friend of mine told me the other day she too was followed in Phoenix.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Sep 8, 2012
El Chingon wrote:
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You're the one that brought "strawmen" into the discussion in post 4. Just playing along.
BTW: I'm not a cop either but being dark-skinned myself (Native American), I've been subjected to unwarranted harassment by Arizona Le, but probably being white-skinned, you know nothing of what I speak. Therefore, no knowledge = shut yap, yes?
Actually, what I said was that there are valid scenarios in which a cop might suspect someone. I didn't start assembling strawmen and asking someone else to comment on them. If you don't know the difference between that and your ham-handed attempt to play along, perhaps you need to go sit at the kiddie table.

Regarding the rest of your tripe, would you like me to call the Waaahhhhmmmbulance for you? Sounds like a case of victimitis.

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