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Former Iowa resident

Mountain Home, AR

#24620 Apr 21, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
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I think he was referring to fuel.
I agree that is a logical possibility an one that I considered, however we only know for sure what was written.

Judging from the lack of plausible opinion, also as you pointed out fact, leads me to question his understanding of the product ethanol.

Another ElDo Guy

El Dorado, AR

#24621 Apr 21, 2013
Former Iowa Resident: Of course I was talking about the fuels mandates. All of the applications you mentioned have been used for decades. All proof that ethanol can stand on it's own without government mandates and subsides where it makes sense.
You left out the most successful of these uses which is beverages. The beverage use of ethanol goes back thousands of years. It's been successful with out government subsides. In fact quite the opposite; its been successful inspite of heavy taxation. ;-)
Can you name any successful uses of ethanol as a fuel in the US that aren't government mandated and subsidized?
Another ElDo Guy

El Dorado, AR

#24622 Apr 21, 2013
Hmmm: The hydrogen in seawater is tied up in the water molecules. It takes electrolysis or a reforming reaction to get it available for use. Reforming using natural gas and steam as feed stocks. So not totally "green". Electrolysis takes lots of electricity. If we make hydrogen from seawater with power from coal fired or natural gas then it's not really renewable or green either. Green hydrogen from sea water will have to be made by using electricity from solar.
Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#24623 Apr 21, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
You are obviously proof that one can come to that conclusion. I will also be so bold as to say, in my opinion, you have to be blind in one eye and can not see good out of the other, to reach that conclusion.
Odd that you say something like that when the Orgnazation is loosing some of its elite members.
Another prominent member of the NRA, Adolphus Busch IV, heir to the Busch family brewing fortune, decided to resign his membership on Thursday.
"The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established," he wrote in a letter to NRA President David Keene. "Your current strategic focus clearly places priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members."
To compare a handful of government employees who made some bad
and very ignorant choices,(were held accountable for their actions) by leadership, to a public org. with four million members, you have to be blind in both eyes.
The Bible verse- if that is what he meant, why did he not just say what he meant.
If what he said is to be interpreted, as you just did, how are you so sure your interpretation is a correct one?
You don't think Mr. Busch's resignation has anything to do with beer sales and perception from those people who consume their product yet are on the President's side of the gun issue? The black market has existed for years and you don't find it odd that now that it is front and center in the public eye Mr. Busch decides to make a public resignation? Maybe even had some "friendly advise" from somewhere high up on the liberal ladder. Furthermore, why and more importantly how do you think that letter became public if it were not attached to a motive?
The GSA stories are plentiful and there were many people involved. Plus this has been going on for a few years and was not an isolated incident. You still haven't provided ANY evidence that shows the NRA to have any interest in keeping the black market thriving or even alive. The reason you don't interpret 1 Timothy 6:10 properly is because you are not a Christian. The Bible is clear about those who are not saved not being able to understand the meaning of many of the verses. Judgment Day IS going to happen and I pray you are on the right side of it when it happens because you apparently are not on the right side of it now. I am going to add you to my prayer list that I may pray that God opens your eyes so you may be saved. I really hope you give God a chance to work in your life. I've been on both sides of God and I can tell you that with Him is a lot better than against Him.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24624 Apr 21, 2013
Another ElDo Guy wrote:
Hmmm: The hydrogen in seawater is tied up in the water molecules. It takes electrolysis or a reforming reaction to get it available for use. Reforming using natural gas and steam as feed stocks. So not totally "green". Electrolysis takes lots of electricity. If we make hydrogen from seawater with power from coal fired or natural gas then it's not really renewable or green either. Green hydrogen from sea water will have to be made by using electricity from solar.
Thanks for the explanation, still it would seem currently using that process would more than offset the carbon print vs. burning gasoline to power our transportation needs.
Former Iowa resident

Mountain Home, AR

#24626 Apr 21, 2013
Another ElDo Guy wrote:
Former Iowa Resident: Of course I was talking about the fuels mandates. All of the applications you mentioned have been used for decades. All proof that ethanol can stand on it's own without government mandates and subsides where it makes sense.
You left out the most successful of these uses which is beverages. The beverage use of ethanol goes back thousands of years. It's been successful with out government subsides. In fact quite the opposite; its been successful inspite of heavy taxation. ;-)
Can you name any successful uses of ethanol as a fuel in the US that aren't government mandated and subsidized?
"The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates"

"All of the applications you mentioned have been used for decades. All proof that ethanol can stand on it's own without government mandates and subsides"

Excuse me, bit of a contradiction don't you think?

BTW-the ethanol subsidies expired at the 2011 and was not renewed by Congress.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24627 Apr 22, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think Mr. Busch's resignation has anything to do with beer sales and perception from those people who consume their product yet are on the President's side of the gun issue? The black market has existed for years and you don't find it odd that now that it is front and center in the public eye Mr. Busch decides to make a public resignation? Maybe even had some "friendly advise" from somewhere high up on the liberal ladder. Furthermore, why and more importantly how do you think that letter became public if it were not attached to a motive?
The GSA stories are plentiful and there were many people involved. Plus this has been going on for a few years and was not an isolated incident. You still haven't provided ANY evidence that shows the NRA to have any interest in keeping the black market thriving or even alive. The reason you don't interpret 1 Timothy 6:10 properly is because you are not a Christian. The Bible is clear about those who are not saved not being able to understand the meaning of many of the verses. Judgment Day IS going to happen and I pray you are on the right side of it when it happens because you apparently are not on the right side of it now. I am going to add you to my prayer list that I may pray that God opens your eyes so you may be saved. I really hope you give God a chance to work in your life. I've been on both sides of God and I can tell you that with Him is a lot better than against Him.
I have no idea what motivated Mr. Bush, other than what he said.
Anheuser-Busch sold to Belgian brewer InBev for 52 billion dollars, and that makes your argument weak in my opinion.
NRA AND BLACK MARKET, no one said a damn thing about the two being connected. However the gun industry profits from the black market. The NRA is owned by the Gun mfg. industry.(speaking figuratively)
If gun manufactures came out for extended back ground checks, do you think the NRA would switch positions as well?
Do you think gun Manufactures would be in favor of background checks if a law passed in 2005, strongly pushed By the NRA, did not exist.
THIS ONE:
The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act bans lawsuits against gun dealers and manufacturers "for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm product.
Do you not feel a bit hypocritical calling yourself a Christian then telling me,
"you apparently are not on the right side of it now"
I appreciate the offer of prayer, however I do find you pray for me, a paradox.
Something in Luke 3.7 and JOHN 8.7 or Romans 2.1, Romans 14.10, Romans 14.13, my favorite Corinthians 4.5, how about James 4.11,
makes me say that.
Since you have judge me to be a non Christian, perhaps I do not understand these verses as well.
Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#24628 Apr 22, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
OH yes, I forgot, that (GSA) members thing, would you apply that same theory to the leadership in the Republican majority house.
A Republican congressman representing Kansas has apologized for embarrassing his supporters by skinny dipping at the holy site of the Sea of Galilee while on a fact-finding mission to Israel.
Freshman U.S. Rep. Kevin Yoder, 36, has not been charged in the Aug. 18, 2011, incident in which he and about 20 other lawmakers and staff members jumped into the water. Politico reported Sunday that he was the only one among them who wore no clothes.
(Related: FBI Investigates GOP Members After Nude Swim Incident in Israel)
“It’s an embarrassing situation, and I regret it,” Yoder said during an interview on public radio station KCUR-FM in Kansas City, Mo.“I know that many constituents out there are sort of scratching their heads, saying,`What is this guy up to? What was he doing? What was he thinking?’”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/20/ma...
You know of the BLAZE, THE ONE RUN BY GLEN BECK?
Or maybe even State level republicans,
The Benton County (Arkansas) Republican newsletter contained a call for Republican legislators who voted to expand Obamacare in the state to be shot.
Chris Nogy, the husband of the county Republican Party secretary, was so upset at Republican state legislators that he called for them to be shot in the county party newsletter
I agree that those acts make those representatives an embarrassment to the office BUT unlike the lavish wild parties in upscale hotels, the act of skinny dipping cost tax payers nothing. They didn't rent the Sea of Galilee then go skinny dipping. I would have had a problem with that. As for the other incident, I am not familiar with it but if it did happen as you say (which will have to be determined) then I would have a problem with it IF that newsletter is paid for with tax dollars and not membership dues or donations. Otherwise, it just falls under the heading of a stupid act by someone that isn't even in office. I would say that neither incident is of the magnitude of the chronic misbehaving the GSA did on our tax dollars. Not even close.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24630 Apr 22, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Leave it to a dumbass like you to try to make political hay out of pain and suffering...even a new low for you.
Look it's Barney's alter ego the Valedicktorian of Salem Jr. high.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24631 Apr 22, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow the money..........
NRA- annual budget 250 million dollars.
Money Spent to Influence Federal Elections
*•NRA + Pro Gun Groups =$53 million
•Brady + Gun Control Groups =$3 million
That equals this-
One out of four gun owners called their elected official.
One out of ten non gun owners called their elected officials on the issue of, extended back ground checks.
As for the black market..........
Fact: The Criminal market = 25% of the gun industry’s annual sales.*•The NRA fights to protect this market share.
They must defeat any law that would make it harder for criminals to get guns e.g. laws to stop gun trafficking, close the gun show loophole, etc.
THEN SAY
“You need a gun with you at all times to protect you from armed criminals.”
Why do you have guns?
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24632 Apr 22, 2013
There are over 3,000 counties in the United States of America. 75% of all gun violence occurs in only 90 of those counties, that's right 75% of all gun violence happens in 90 counties. That is 90 counties out of over 3,000. America is a very safe gun country. Enforce the laws on the books, we don't need anymore.

Guess which party controls those 90 dangerous counties?
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24633 Apr 22, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea what motivated Mr. Bush, other than what he said.
Anheuser-Busch sold to Belgian brewer InBev for 52 billion dollars, and that makes your argument weak in my opinion.
NRA AND BLACK MARKET, no one said a damn thing about the two being connected. However the gun industry profits from the black market. The NRA is owned by the Gun mfg. industry.(speaking figuratively)
If gun manufactures came out for extended back ground checks, do you think the NRA would switch positions as well?
Do you think gun Manufactures would be in favor of background checks if a law passed in 2005, strongly pushed By the NRA, did not exist.
THIS ONE:
The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act bans lawsuits against gun dealers and manufacturers "for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm product.
Do you not feel a bit hypocritical calling yourself a Christian then telling me,
"you apparently are not on the right side of it now"
I appreciate the offer of prayer, however I do find you pray for me, a paradox.
Something in Luke 3.7 and JOHN 8.7 or Romans 2.1, Romans 14.10, Romans 14.13, my favorite Corinthians 4.5, how about James 4.11,
makes me say that.
Since you have judge me to be a non Christian, perhaps I do not understand these verses as well.
Funny how libs want to protect children once they leave the womb but if they get a chance to kill them before that they are fine with it!
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24634 Apr 22, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how libs want to protect children once they leave the womb but if they get a chance to kill them before that they are fine with it!
Too bad you weren't born a woman, then you would have a valid argument.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24635 Apr 22, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad you weren't born a woman, then you would have a valid argument.
How do you know I am not a woman? I guess a man has no say in whether his child is murdered or not?
huh

Conway, AR

#24636 Apr 22, 2013
Well, did u???
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#24637 Apr 22, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I must be one of least greedy people around.
And one of the stupidest..
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24638 Apr 22, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know I am not a woman? I guess a man has no say in whether his child is murdered or not?
You seem too stupid to be a woman.

Has your unborn zygote/child been murdered?
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24639 Apr 22, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>And one of the stupidest..
ROTFLMAFO

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24640 Apr 22, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how libs want to protect children once they leave the womb but if they get a chance to kill them before that they are fine with it!
NO we are not "fine with it",

nor are we fine with legislators playing God.

A woman's choice is between her and her creator.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24641 Apr 22, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
There are over 3,000 counties in the United States of America. 75% of all gun violence occurs in only 90 of those counties, that's right 75% of all gun violence happens in 90 counties. That is 90 counties out of over 3,000. America is a very safe gun country. Enforce the laws on the books, we don't need anymore.
Guess which party controls those 90 dangerous counties?
July 1994
The United States has over 3,000
counties, but more than half of all
murders occur in just 75 of them, the
Nation’s mort populous jurisdictions.
This report taps a rich source of murder
data — prosecutors’ files in a sample of
these large urban places — for detailed
information on the nature and extent of
a particular type of murder: those that
occur within families. In addition, the
report uses these files justice systems
respond to family murder.
This study was possible as a result of
the generous cooperation of urban
prosecutors and their staffs in jurisdictions
throughout the Nation. On behalf
of BJS, I want to express my sincere
appreciation.
Lawrence A. Greenfeld
Acting Director

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