Ark. lawmaker proposes new abortion restriction

Jan 29, 2013 Full story: KTHV-TV Little Rock 357

Arkansas would ban abortions if a fetal heartbeat is detected under a bill introduced by a Republican senator Monday, a proposal that would prohibit the medical procedure as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

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“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#46 Feb 3, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
And it's the same for a man. If a woman becomes pregnant, he too is liable for meeting the needs of that baby until it reaches adulthood.
HE is NOT liable for anything until AFTER birth which she is also reliable. For nine months he does NOTHING.

You are a perpetual dumb azz.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#47 Feb 3, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell it to the men who impregnate women as rapists, and then, in some states, retain the right to visitation with the product of THEIR selfishness. As long as there are men who are selfish enough to force women to have sexual intercourse, there will be abortion. As long as pregnancy poses grave risks to a woman's health, there will be abortion. As long as women miscarry, there will be abortion - actually, spontaneous abortion ('miscarriage') affects one out of three pregnancies, worldwide. Not every pregnancy comes to term, with or without 'help' from the woman carrying it.
Fact.
<quoted text>No, thankfully, she does not. Any more than you do. Because in this country, we don't punish people for their choices, by withholding necessary medical treatment. Newsflash: women are people.
Deal with it.
<quoted text>Really. Show me the biological / health risks he takes when he impregnates a woman. Show me the law, any law, anywhere, which mandates that a man take ANY responsibility for a pregnancy.
He is only responsible AFTERWARDS, and then only if the pregnancy results in a live birth.
Period.
A man risks exactly NOTHING during a woman's pregnancy. The woman takes all the risk, ALL OF IT, and she has the right to decline it all, as well.
(and as we all know, that chaps your ass...)
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You, my friend, are the classic fetus sniffer...you couldn't care less about LIFE. The only thing concerning YOU is the contents of someone else's uterus. What happens once it exits that uterus, is immaterial to you, as long as it comes out according to YOUR timeline, and in a manner of which YOU approve.
Selfish much?
<quoted text>Fine. Next time you choose to exit your home, knowing full well that buses exist, I reserve the right to deny you life-saving medical treatment when one runs over you, crushing your pelvis, and turning your ribs into toothpicks. We can't have you avoiding the consequences to your choices...
Next time you have a work-related illness or injury, I reserve the right to deny you medical treatment of any kind... because you freely chose to perform the work, knowing it was possible to be injured or become ill as a result. We can't have you avoiding the consequences to your choices...
If you choose to use a gas stove, and you catch your shirt on fire in the process, I reserve the right to deny you cosmetic treatment for your burn scars, because you knew fire could burn you, but you made the choice to use it anyway. Face the consequences to your choices, because 'I' don't approve of the choices you make.
Are you getting my drift here, or do I have to dumb it down even further?
<quoted text>
We've been over this. You're incorrect. Murdering babies is already illegal, and it still happens all the time. Please try to keep up.
BRAVO!!

Though I do think you will be subject to "dumbing it down" even further for this perpetual dumb azz.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#48 Feb 3, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
BRAVO!!
Though I do think you will be subject to "dumbing it down" even further for this perpetual dumb azz.
Ain't THAT the truth.

Mornin' Morg.

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“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#49 Feb 4, 2013
And (apparently) my work here really IS done.

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the real guest

United States

#50 Feb 4, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
The whole thing is, that I don't HAVE to 'justify' my rights to self-defense, personal risk assessment, or bodily autonomy, any more than YOU do.
No, but you are compelled to continue posting your baseless justifications on this thread because you know that slaughtering unborn babies is sick. You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
AND IT CHAPS YOUR ASS.
It doesn't chap my ass at all. However, when you sick puppies come to a public forum and start blathering about how it's okay to rip the arms and legs off of helpless little babies and crush their tiny skulls, as a normal, thinking individual with more than an ounce of conscience, I will respond with truth and facts.

And that chaps YOUR ass, because you know I'm right.
the real guest

United States

#51 Feb 4, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
And abortion is not murder - it is LEGAL killing, exactly as it's legal to kill an intruder into one's home.
What crime has the baby committed to earn the death penalty?
That right begins when the fetus becomes a baby.
The fetus is a living human being. Abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being, the very definition of murder.
Read the Constitution: a citizen is BORN or naturalized in the United States.
Citizenship has nothing to do with it. You're saying murder is okay unless one is a U.S. citizen. That's just as ridiculous an assertion as everything else you tried, and it fails just as miserably.

Besides, our rights don't come from the Constitution, it merely recognizes rights that were already in existence.
It's hard for me to imagine anyone bent on preventing a woman from saving her life with a necessary medical procedure.
Cases of abortions to save the life of the mother are extremely rare, only a fraction of 1%. That doesn't justify slaughtering 1.5 million.

And abortion is not a "medical procedure". Let's call it what it is - a violent, barbaric, gruesome murder.
I don't regret my abortion, and if faced with the same circumstances, I'd have another one.
Ah, so we see the reason for your fierce support of abortion. You're trying to live with the guilt for what you have done.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts. You need counselling, both spiritual and professional. I fear my comments to you may hinder any chance you have at recovery.
the real guest

United States

#52 Feb 4, 2013
Bitner wrote:
No one needs to justify making their own medical decisions.
Slaughtering babies isn't a medical decision.
As far as sex, consent to have sex is not consent to carry a resulting pregnancy to term.
Consenting to engage in sexual intercouse is acceptance of every possible resulting consequence, including pregnancy.
What constitutes dealing with the consequences is up to the pregnant woman, not you.
When it comes to committing crime to avoid those consequences, then it's up to society.
Abortion is not murder.
Yes it is. Take a look at what abortion actually is, then come back here and tell me those babies were not the vicitims of murder:

http://www.abortioninstruments.com/
the real guest

United States

#53 Feb 4, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
What is the difference between you murdering me in a robbery?
Are you serious? Uh, the difference is that you would be committing a violent crime. And unborn baby has done nothing wrong. Its completely innocent.

What crime has an unborn baby committed that earns him the death penalty?
Obviously you consider women void of all rights.
Not at all. I just believe a human being's right to life supercedes a woman's selfishness in avoiding the consequences of her own choices. It really is just that simple.
the real guest

United States

#54 Feb 4, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
You just DID demean any woman/girl who became or becomes pregnant by rape. You eliminated her ENTIRELY from the rape scenario as though she does not exist. You have made her into a inanimate object.
You are a perpetual dumb azz.
Nope. But YOU and the others who support slaughtering little babies are the ones who demane unborn babies and act like they don't exist. YOU are the ones who turn them into inanimate objects.

That's why I posted the link to the abortion website so you and others could see what abortion actually looks like. There are so many lies proffered by the pro abortion crowd that it has caused widespread ignorance.

Take a look at the truth:

http://www.abortioninstruments.com/

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#55 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but you are compelled to continue posting your baseless justifications on this thread because you know that slaughtering unborn babies is sick. You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
<quoted text>
It doesn't chap my ass at all. However, when you sick puppies come to a public forum and start blathering about how it's okay to rip the arms and legs off of helpless little babies and crush their tiny skulls, as a normal, thinking individual with more than an ounce of conscience, I will respond with truth and facts.
And that chaps YOUR ass, because you know I'm right.
Oh thou beleagured one..........you wouldn't know 'conscience' if it leaped at your throat and strangled you...but I gotta give you props for knowing what 'cognitive dissonance' means.

In your case, it means you are cognitively dissonant.
That fact is borne out by the position you've taken, namely that the potential for life a woman willingly (or unwillingly, doesn't matter to you,) gestates, is more important to the universe than the woman herself.

I notice you haven't mentioned the many times you've sacrificed your life, health, or well-being to an entity feeding off your organs...

Why not, pray tell?

Could it be you believe that 'privilege' is granted only to gravid females?

In that case, here's a tip:

I'm as much a person as you are, and I'm a mother two times over.

FUCK YOU, JACK.
Ocean56

AOL

#56 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
Consenting to engage in sexual intercouse is acceptance of every possible resulting consequence, including pregnancy.
OPINION, not fact. What ticks YOU off is that no woman has to live by your regressive opinions. Too bad, for YOU that is.

The fact remains that motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, and a woman can REJECT pregnancy and motherhood for any reason. Whether YOU approve of her doing so is irrelevant.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#57 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
I posted the link to the abortion website so you and others could see what abortion actually looks like.
Looks like 'bodily autonomy, personal risk assessment, and self defense, to me.

Take a look at the truth:
Women are NOT merely vessels for other vessels, or for the fillers thereof.

Fucking deal with the FACT that just because we CAN give birth doesn't mean we HAVE to.

Ain't that about a bitch?

Next?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#58 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Slaughtering babies isn't a medical decision.
<quoted text>
Consenting to engage in sexual intercouse is acceptance of every possible resulting consequence, including pregnancy.
<quoted text>
When it comes to committing crime to avoid those consequences, then it's up to society.
<quoted text>
Yes it is. Take a look at what abortion actually is, then come back here and tell me those babies were not the vicitims of murder:
http://www.abortioninstruments.com/
No one is talking about "slaughtering babies". Whether or not to continue a pregnancy is a medical decision, like it or not.

I said nothing about getting pregnant. Consent to have sex is not automatic agreement to carry any resulting pregnancy to term. No more than getting behind the wheel of a car is automatic agreement to live with an injury caused by an accident.

Having sex is not a crime. Having an abortion is not a crime. Neither decision is yours to dictate for anyone else.

I know what an abortion is. It is not murder. Murder is a legal term for illegal killing. Abortion is legal. Since you cannot have killing that is both legal and illegal at the same time, abortion is not murder.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#59 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. But YOU and the others who support slaughtering little babies are the ones who demane unborn babies and act like they don't exist. YOU are the ones who turn them into inanimate objects.
That's why I posted the link to the abortion website so you and others could see what abortion actually looks like. There are so many lies proffered by the pro abortion crowd that it has caused widespread ignorance.
Take a look at the truth:
http://www.abortioninstruments.com/
Do you really believe you are the first person to post such a link, or that it really needed doing? How naive.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#60 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, so we see the reason for your fierce support of abortion. You're trying to live with the guilt for what you have done.
I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts. You need counselling, both spiritual and professional. I fear my comments to you may hinder any chance you have at recovery.
AH!!

So you are admittedly against life saving abortions! Again women are not entitled to self defense or self protection while you are claiming mysterious rights in existence prior to the Constitution probably regarding some freakish male misogynistic god worship who deems women his transportation system void of free will and not entitled to protections?

She hasn't a fcking thing to feel guilt about but, but male phallic worshipping freaks like you have nothing without religious brainwashing and guilt tripping the backbone of your religion. Smart men and women don't buy your draconian archaic backwards misogyny.

You are a perpetual dumb azz.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#61 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
What crime has the baby committed to earn the death penalty?
Home invasion. I live in my body. No one has the right to take up residence in my body, unless I decide they can. If I decide they can't, they're OUTTA THERE.

With a quickness.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>The fetus is a living human being. Abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being, the very definition of murder.
Wrong. The fetus is a fetus. It has no Constitutional rights, and there is a very good reason for that.

Its mother has them, and its cannot trump hers.
Suck it up, Buttercup.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>Citizenship has nothing to do with it. You're saying murder is okay unless one is a U.S. citizen. That's just as ridiculous an assertion as everything else you tried, and it fails just as miserably.
Besides, our rights don't come from the Constitution, it merely recognizes rights that were already in existence.
And it recognizes that women are BORN.

Fetuses..........not so much.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>Cases of abortions to save the life of the mother are extremely rare, only a fraction of 1%.
Cases of ignorance on the scale you exhibit were once extremely rare. Now these cases are becoming more and more prevalent. You, fetus sniffer, are a prime example.
What was your point again?

the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't justify slaughtering 1.5 million.
Tell it to Blackwater. Tell it to Phizer Pharmaceutical, Shell Oil, and Monsanto.

Then get back to me.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>And abortion is not a "medical procedure". Let's call it what it is
Ok. It's a medical procedure. It's just not a medical procedure you will ever need to use.

You probably won't ever use a speculum either, but that doesn't make it any less valid as a medical tool.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, so we see the reason for your fierce support of abortion. You're trying to live with the guilt for what you have done.
I saved my own life. If you think I feel 'guilt' over that, you are very much mistaken.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts.
Like so much else, this is also bilgewater. You'll respond or not....I couldn't POSSIBLY care any less.
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text> You need counselling, both spiritual and professional. I fear my comments to you may hinder any chance you have at recovery.
Physician, heal thyself.

Abortion is none of your business, unless you are the pregnant woman considering abortion.

Next........
the real guest

United States

#62 Feb 4, 2013
Bitner wrote:
No one is talking about "slaughtering babies".
Yes we are. What do you think abortion really is?
Whether or not to continue a pregnancy is a medical decision, like it or not.
Yeah, the pro abortion lobby likes to lie to you and claim it's a "medical decision", but the truth is that it is a violent, barbaric, gruesome murder. I deal in facts and reality, not lying propaganda. I suggest you do the same.
Consent to have sex is not automatic agreement to carry any resulting pregnancy to term.
Consenting to engage in sexual intercouse is willing acceptance of the possible consequences which include pregnancy. Murdering babies to avoid those consequences is unacceptable.
No more than getting behind the wheel of a car is automatic agreement to live with an injury caused by an accident.
If I choose to drive and cause an accident, I am responsible for those consequences. Killing the person I injured so I don't have to pay for their damages is a ridiculous.
Having an abortion is not a crime.
It's a moral crime that will be stopped in this country.
I know what an abortion is.
But you don't have the guts to look at the website I posted. Like every abortion supporter, you refuse facts and reality and choose instead to believe lies.
the real guest

United States

#63 Feb 4, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
She hasn't a fcking thing to feel guilt about.
She's obviously suffering severe emotional trauma. That's another disastrous effect of abortion that the pro abortion lobby tries to bury.
dpandproudofit

Talbott, TN

#64 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but you are compelled to continue posting your baseless justifications on this thread because you know that slaughtering unborn babies is sick. You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
<quoted text>
It doesn't chap my ass at all. However, when you sick puppies come to a public forum and start blathering about how it's okay to rip the arms and legs off of helpless little babies and crush their tiny skulls, as a normal, thinking individual with more than an ounce of conscience, I will respond with truth and facts.
And that chaps YOUR ass, because you know I'm right.
REAL GUEST NOT real SMART"if you would listen instead of slamming your JUSTIFICATIONS!!!!!on everyone!!!!!the bottom line is it is choice and not a government choice,and the websites or U-TUBE you need to stop viewing them and get the facts,particial abortions were out lawed back in late 90's so get over it and just like the GOP GET OUT OF OUR PANTIES!!!!!!!!!!the new meaning of GOP

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#65 Feb 4, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
"Yes we are. What do you think abortion really is?"

No, we are not. What abortion really is, is the termination of a pregnancy, whether spontaneous (miscarriage), or induced, by the removal of the products of conception.

"Yeah, the pro abortion lobby likes to lie to you and claim it's a "medical decision", but the truth is that it is a violent, barbaric, gruesome murder. I deal in facts and reality, not lying propaganda. I suggest you do the same."

You are not dealing in facts. You are the one spouting propaganda, melodramatically so.

Whether or not to remain pregnant is, in fact, a medical decision. I'm sorry you don't like that, but it's true.

"Consenting to engage in sexual intercouse is willing acceptance of the possible consequences which include pregnancy."

Again, I said nothing about getting pregnant. Of course having sex means the woman may become pregnant. I'm talking about remaining pregnant, which consent to have sex is not consent to do.

"Murdering babies to avoid those consequences is unacceptable."

Babies are not being murdered in such a decision to terminate the pregnancy.

"If I choose to drive and cause an accident, I am responsible for those consequences. Killing the person I injured so I don't have to pay for their damages is a ridiculous."

Not an apt comparison. Getting pregnant does not injure the embryo/fetus.

What I actually said, was that you don't have to live with your own injury if you have an accident just because you accepted the risk of such an accident by driving. Do try to focus on what is being said. Your strawman arguments are doing nothing for your cause.

"It's a moral crime that will be stopped in this country."

It is not a crime at all. Morals are subjective, and relative to the person/group holding them. Your morals don't dictate our laws.

Abortion will never be "stopped", not even if made entirely illegal, which will not happen. If illegal, as history, and the current reality in countries where it is illegal now, shows, abortion will simply be driven underground, making criminals a lot of money, and getting rid of the regulations regarding it's timing that we currently have. Believing otherwise is terribly naive. How young are you, exactly?

"But you don't have the guts to look at the website I posted. Like every abortion supporter, you refuse facts and reality and choose instead to believe lies."

I did look at your link. It was most certainly not the first time I've looked at it, either. Or many just like it. Again, did you think you were the only person to post it, or one just like it?

Abortion is not murder. It is a medical decision that is between a woman and her doctor. And no one is obligated to act according to your opinion of it. Those are facts.

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