Column: What's up with China's swimming success?

There are 17 comments on the SavannahNow story from Jul 30, 2012, titled Column: What's up with China's swimming success?. In it, SavannahNow reports that:

When Chinese swimmers started blowing rivals out of the water in London's Olympic pool, whispers quickly followed.

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whatsthatsmell

Bryn Mawr, PA

#2 Aug 1, 2012
It's Olympic breeding. The Chinese and other communist countries have been known to pick kids out for the national team when they are children cultivating them for Olympic success by their early to mid teens.

Besides a history of being prolific dopers they look for athletic traits when they are little children. Apparently this swimmer has big hands and feet just like Phelps which supposedly helps him. Combine ideal genetics with state of the art training techniques,facilities and the best coaches your country can produce dominant athletes like a factory.

They say it's her coaching. Now is she being coached to train & win or how to beat tests. For now she should get credit until proven guilty. It was pointed out that Phelps started breaking records at 15 years old. Throw in the raging hormones and growth of a teenager it's only natural to expect physical improvements wether it's strength and/or time.

Also heard something like they are going to keep her urine sample for 8 years so if they find a test to test for what ever they think she did she could have that medal pulled anyway. For now though she is innocent until proven guilty.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Netherlands

#3 Aug 1, 2012
yes this girl is a world Champion... and people talk as if she was hiding under a truck all these years...
Olympian

San Francisco, CA

#4 Aug 1, 2012
The Western countries are the worst dopers, look at the Tour de France and all the track athletes. They just know how to mask it better. Back in the 1990s forty Chinese swimmers were banned because they did not know how to mask it and some were framed.
Fishes

Mountain View, CA

#5 Aug 1, 2012
Ye Shiwen was the reigning world champion in the 200IM, and from what I've read... her race in the world championships was similar (very fast last leg) and with a similar race time... but no one made any complaints back then (I think mainly because the only people were paying attention are true swim fans...)

Her 400IM performance is unusual... but so was Jason Lezak's 100m freestyle relay split to win the gold medal for Michael Phelp's eigth, where at the age of 32 he beat his own personal best by over 1.5 seconds with a time of 46.06, which is the still the fastest 100 split in history by over half a second. It is still faster than the current 100m world record (46.91) by almost a second.
whatsthatsmell

Bryn Mawr, PA

#6 Aug 1, 2012
Fishes wrote:
Ye Shiwen was the reigning world champion in the 200IM, and from what I've read... her race in the world championships was similar (very fast last leg) and with a similar race time... but no one made any complaints back then (I think mainly because the only people were paying attention are true swim fans...)
Her 400IM performance is unusual... but so was Jason Lezak's 100m freestyle relay split to win the gold medal for Michael Phelp's eigth, where at the age of 32 he beat his own personal best by over 1.5 seconds with a time of 46.06, which is the still the fastest 100 split in history by over half a second. It is still faster than the current 100m world record (46.91) by almost a second.
An that's the thing everybody jumps all over a 16 year old still maturing full of natural hormones while a 45 year old women with declining hormones misses the current team by a hair. Oh goody for the old folks. Nobody seems to question the doctors and nutritionist/nutrients an American athlete has access to and yet will jump all over the commies for state sponsored doping.
whatsthatsmell

Bryn Mawr, PA

#7 Aug 1, 2012
Forgot to ad I don't necessarily think either cheated and if you have a passion AND understanding of your sport, body and training above and beyond the average athlete you will excel. To many athlete rely on natural talent. That's why many first round draft pick pros flop because they never developed or took their natural talent to the next level.
Olympian

San Francisco, CA

#8 Aug 1, 2012
My hats off to the Chinese they are improving a lot in swimming thanks to the help of the Australians who have coached them and train them for the last several years. We Americans need to learn a thing or two from the Aussies.
Italain Stallion

Kanata, Canada

#9 Aug 4, 2012
whatsthatsmell wrote:
It's Olympic breeding. The Chinese and other communist countries have been known to pick kids out for the national team when they are children cultivating them for Olympic success by their early to mid teens.
Besides a history of being prolific dopers they look for athletic traits when they are little children. Apparently this swimmer has big hands and feet just like Phelps which supposedly helps him. Combine ideal genetics with state of the art training techniques,facilities and the best coaches your country can produce dominant athletes like a factory.
They say it's her coaching. Now is she being coached to train & win or how to beat tests. For now she should get credit until proven guilty. It was pointed out that Phelps started breaking records at 15 years old. Throw in the raging hormones and growth of a teenager it's only natural to expect physical improvements wether it's strength and/or time.
Also heard something like they are going to keep her urine sample for 8 years so if they find a test to test for what ever they think she did she could have that medal pulled anyway. For now though she is innocent until proven guilty.
" Besides a history of being prolific dopers ". Yes and the Americans are so straight!!!!!! Most of the successful American track athletes have been caught and served their sentence or admitted to doping despite not being caught i.e. Carl Lewis. I almost threw up when I saw Marion Jones confess a couple of years back after lying in front of a grand jury saying she didn't take steroids then admit later she lied. What a f*&^ing joke.
lizzard25

Wolfeboro, NH

#11 Aug 4, 2012
whatsthatsmell wrote:
It's Olympic breeding. The Chinese and other communist countries have been known to pick kids out for the national team when they are children cultivating them for Olympic success by their early to mid teens.

Besides a history of being prolific dopers they look for athletic traits when they are little children. Apparently this swimmer has big hands and feet just like Phelps which supposedly helps him. Combine ideal genetics with state of the art training techniques,facilities and the best coaches your country can produce dominant athletes like a factory.

They say it's her coaching. Now is she being coached to train & win or how to beat tests. For now she should get credit until proven guilty. It was pointed out that Phelps started breaking records at 15 years old. Throw in the raging hormones and growth of a teenager it's only natural to expect physical improvements wether it's strength and/or time.

Also heard something like they are going to keep her urine sample for 8 years so if they find a test to test for what ever they think she did she could have that medal pulled anyway. For now though she is innocent until proven guilty.
ikr
whatsthatsmell

Bryn Mawr, PA

#12 Aug 4, 2012
Italain Stallion wrote:
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" Besides a history of being prolific dopers ". Yes and the Americans are so straight!!!!!! Most of the successful American track athletes have been caught and served their sentence or admitted to doping despite not being caught i.e. Carl Lewis. I almost threw up when I saw Marion Jones confess a couple of years back after lying in front of a grand jury saying she didn't take steroids then admit later she lied. What a f*&^ing joke.
Oh, I'm not saying the Americans are squeaky clean but until proven guilty you have to give the benefit of the doubt. I think there is alot of wink wink look the other way doping going on with most Olympic teams and athletes.

Even Victor Conte(BALCO, Bonds, Jones etc) recently said the current doping technique could very well be an old one-EPO. Said if you taper from a normal 3 day week of dosing down to one EPO could be undetectable in as little as 19 hours. So if these athletes got off the dope just days before their first drug test at the Olympics themselves they could probablyh get away with it.

At this level of competition the athletes AND coaches/support staff want it just as bad for job security reasons alone. All parties have a vested interest in the outcome. On the flipside I saw where one of US track women said her races were for all that supported her.

Sometimes I think doping is the norm, the dirty little or big secret of international Olympic sport. My guess is the next big doping scandal in swimming anyway will wind up bringing down a large chunk of their program with it. Time, just like the liars to courts and congress got theirs so will these 'medalists'.
Italain Stallion

Kanata, Canada

#13 Aug 5, 2012
whatsthatsmell wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I'm not saying the Americans are squeaky clean but until proven guilty you have to give the benefit of the doubt. I think there is alot of wink wink look the other way doping going on with most Olympic teams and athletes.
Even Victor Conte(BALCO, Bonds, Jones etc) recently said the current doping technique could very well be an old one-EPO. Said if you taper from a normal 3 day week of dosing down to one EPO could be undetectable in as little as 19 hours. So if these athletes got off the dope just days before their first drug test at the Olympics themselves they could probablyh get away with it.
At this level of competition the athletes AND coaches/support staff want it just as bad for job security reasons alone. All parties have a vested interest in the outcome. On the flipside I saw where one of US track women said her races were for all that supported her.
Sometimes I think doping is the norm, the dirty little or big secret of international Olympic sport. My guess is the next big doping scandal in swimming anyway will wind up bringing down a large chunk of their program with it. Time, just like the liars to courts and congress got theirs so will these 'medalists'.
I would say that Americans are far the worst dopers. The favourite in the 400M was an American who just served a 21 month ban for doping. Looks good on him that he pulled a hamstring in the preliminary heats. Karma my friend!!!!!! And you are correct that doping seems to be the norm and not the exception. Gone are the days when the Olympics were solely about competition, dignity, drama, sportsmanship etc. The Olympic motto of swifter, higher, stronger now simply means who are the best cheaters. Very very sad.
Italain Stallion

Kanata, Canada

#14 Aug 5, 2012
Fishes wrote:
Ye Shiwen was the reigning world champion in the 200IM, and from what I've read... her race in the world championships was similar (very fast last leg) and with a similar race time... but no one made any complaints back then (I think mainly because the only people were paying attention are true swim fans...)
Her 400IM performance is unusual... but so was Jason Lezak's 100m freestyle relay split to win the gold medal for Michael Phelp's eigth, where at the age of 32 he beat his own personal best by over 1.5 seconds with a time of 46.06, which is the still the fastest 100 split in history by over half a second. It is still faster than the current 100m world record (46.91) by almost a second.
Many countries dope but the Americans are by far the worst. Carl Lewis, Marion Jones, Flo Jo, Flo Jo's husband, most of the men's track athletes ( past and present ), the favourite for the 400M who just finished serving a 21 month ban etc. etc. Even Jessica Hardy on the US swim team got nailed but made some excuse and got the penalty reduced to one year.
Italain Stallion

Kanata, Canada

#15 Aug 5, 2012
Olympian wrote:
My hats off to the Chinese they are improving a lot in swimming thanks to the help of the Australians who have coached them and train them for the last several years. We Americans need to learn a thing or two from the Aussies.
Yes I saw that piece last night how Sun Yang from China, who won the 200 and 1,500, is being trained by the legendary Aussie coach who says he is one of the best swimmers he has ever coached. Pretty sad that the Aussie swimmers don't like that he is coaching swimmers from a competing country. Sucks to be them I guess.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#16 Aug 5, 2012
when you have coaching and money.... and 1.3 billion people to choose from...

who are starting to become richer and better nutrition...and are known to be hard workers...

I find it hard to believe you need drugs too...

innocent until proven guilty...

just like half the US track team

lol
Italain Stallion

Kanata, Canada

#17 Aug 5, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
when you have coaching and money.... and 1.3 billion people to choose from...
who are starting to become richer and better nutrition...and are known to be hard workers...
I find it hard to believe you need drugs too...
innocent until proven guilty...
just like half the US track team
lol
Hey my fellow Canadian, I agree with all the stuff you said about the Chinese athletes, however, I would suspect most of the US track team is juiced. Their 400M runner just came back from a 21 month doping ban and pulled his hamstring in preliminary heats. Karma I guess lol. Carl Lewis, Marion Jones, Flo Jo etc. etc. All juiced.
whatsthatsmell

Bryn Mawr, PA

#18 Aug 7, 2012
Italain Stallion wrote:
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I would say that Americans are far the worst dopers. The favourite in the 400M was an American who just served a 21 month ban for doping. Looks good on him that he pulled a hamstring in the preliminary heats. Karma my friend!!!!!! And you are correct that doping seems to be the norm and not the exception. Gone are the days when the Olympics were solely about competition, dignity, drama, sportsmanship etc. The Olympic motto of swifter, higher, stronger now simply means who are the best cheaters. Very very sad.
An example of the resources needed to compete in the Olympics would that Gabby Douglas now a 16 year old had to go live with another family to get what she needed to try for the Olympic for the last two years. If these athletes are willing to sacrifice family life or even a social life I guarantee you they'll sacrifice integrity/the rule book.

In others words win at all costs or the ends justify the means. Doesn't mean everyone is like that but that's the mindset that is all but required to become an Olympic medalist.
PTown Funk

Euless, TX

#19 Aug 8, 2012
This is slightly ridiculous.

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