Restive Xinjiang: China's Next Troubl...

Restive Xinjiang: China's Next Trouble Spot After Tibet?

There are 60 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Apr 17, 2008, titled Restive Xinjiang: China's Next Trouble Spot After Tibet?. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

The two young women trying on headscarves at a dusty market stall have heard of the recent unrest in Tibet's capital Lhasa, but they say the same could never happen here in China's border region of Xinjiang.

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yugung

Puchong, Malaysia

#1 Apr 17, 2008
Using the same tactic as in Tibet, the CIA is funding various Xinjiang separatist organizations via the NED.
Examples are Uyghur American Association, World Uyghur Congress. CIA's Radio Free Asia broadcast 2 hours a day with all kinds of bizarre stories about Xinjiang. RFA also provides employments for a large number of separatists leaders.
Mark

Shenyang, China

#2 Apr 17, 2008
Can you prove that, Yugung? Or is that would your masters in Beijing tell you to say?
yugung

Puchong, Malaysia

#3 Apr 17, 2008
go! check it up at the ned.org .
Tibetan Human Rights

Hattiesburg, MS

#4 Apr 17, 2008
yugung, no offense but that is nuts. There are many Islamic radicals, including al-Qaeda elements, working in Xinjiang. Al-Qaeda's goal of having all Muslims governed by Muslim law cannot be met as long as Uigyurs live under the rule of Beijing. So your scenario essentially asserts that the CIA is funding al-Qaeda and its friends. The CIA did help to fund the Afghan insurgency in the 1980's, parts of which later became al-Qaeda, but current CIA funding for al-Qaeda is unthinkable. In Xinjiang, the CIA and Beijing have many of the same goals.
Twin Tower

Eugene, OR

#5 Apr 17, 2008
China will drawn into the conflict with Islamic extremist states. That's prophesized.
yugung

Ipoh, Malaysia

#6 Apr 17, 2008
Tibetan Human Rights wrote:
yugung, no offense but that is nuts. There are many Islamic radicals, including al-Qaeda elements, working in Xinjiang. Al-Qaeda's goal of having all Muslims governed by Muslim law cannot be met as long as Uigyurs live under the rule of Beijing. So your scenario essentially asserts that the CIA is funding al-Qaeda and its friends. The CIA did help to fund the Afghan insurgency in the 1980's, parts of which later became al-Qaeda, but current CIA funding for al-Qaeda is unthinkable. In Xinjiang, the CIA and Beijing have many of the same goals.
If Uyghur can be mobilized to kill Chinese, Bush will fund them. NED is funding UAA (Uyghur American Association) US$216,000 a year. Visit their website ned.org see for youself.

There are a few Uyghur al-Qaeda members detained at Guantánamo. One of them, Huzaifa Parhat, was ordered released by 3 US judges. He refused to returned to China (Xinjiang) and is applying to settle down in USA.

The Olympic torch protest in Turkey recently was the work of World Uyghur Congress another NED funded Uyghur separatist organization.
tom selleck

Ürümqi, China

#7 Apr 18, 2008
yugung wrote:
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If Uyghur can be mobilized to kill Chinese, Bush will fund them. NED is funding UAA (Uyghur American Association) US$216,000 a year. Visit their website ned.org see for youself.
There are a few Uyghur al-Qaeda members detained at Guantánamo. One of them, Huzaifa Parhat, was ordered released by 3 US judges. He refused to returned to China (Xinjiang) and is applying to settle down in USA.
The Olympic torch protest in Turkey recently was the work of World Uyghur Congress another NED funded Uyghur separatist organization.
Did you read the article? Start to end? The U.S. has declared the East Turkestan independence group as a terrorist organization. The U.S. is essentially at war with Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.

The Uighurs may be grumpy about a few things, but Uighur culture and Han culture are similar in that both believe in letting sleeping dogs lie. In other words, aside from the rare extremist, the Uighurs are not prone to violence and causing disturbances. They chase the almighty buck in equal lockstep with the Han.

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#8 Apr 18, 2008
I wish, yugung, that you follow tom selleck's advice and read it from start to finish. Be better informed before you write things. Perhaps when you write on Chinese-based web forums you can say whatever you want without a debate, but not here.
yugung

Ipoh, Malaysia

#9 Apr 18, 2008
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
I wish, yugung, that you follow tom selleck's advice and read it from start to finish. Be better informed before you write things. Perhaps when you write on Chinese-based web forums you can say whatever you want without a debate, but not here.
There are numerous xinjiang separatist groups, 100s of them, in Turkey, Germany, Uzebek, USA.
USA has so far designated only one of them as Terrorist inorder to gain Beijing's assistance in war against terrorism. That group is called East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM).
yugung

Ipoh, Malaysia

#10 Apr 18, 2008
tom selleck wrote:
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Did you read the article? Start to end? The U.S. has declared the East Turkestan independence group as a terrorist organization. The U.S. is essentially at war with Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.
Yes I read the whole article.
You thought there is only one Uyghur Islamic group when in fact there are 100s of them with overlapping membership. NED of course will claim that they support the peaceful groups. It is wishful thinking. May be some of them have priority in killing Chinese first and American later. I don't know.

Since: Mar 08

Shenzhen, China

#11 Apr 18, 2008
yugang, it's useless to talk with these typical China-bashers! They're flunkies of CIA and their mission is only to weaken China and split China off eventually.
What we should do is to strengthen our power and clear these bastards of CIA off!
Han

Beijing, China

#12 Apr 18, 2008
I fully agree with UNCleaner's comment, even if it is sarcastic in intent.

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#13 Apr 18, 2008
UNCleaner wrote:
yugang, it's useless to talk with these typical China-bashers! They're flunkies of CIA and their mission is only to weaken China and split China off eventually.
What we should do is to strengthen our power and clear these bastards of CIA off!
Why do you need to resort to name-calling? Can you not debate a topic like an adult?

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#14 Apr 18, 2008
yugung wrote:
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Yes I read the whole article.
You thought there is only one Uyghur Islamic group when in fact there are 100s of them with overlapping membership. NED of course will claim that they support the peaceful groups. It is wishful thinking. May be some of them have priority in killing Chinese first and American later. I don't know.
Maybe you can offer some news stories showing when terrorists in Xinjiang killed Chinese. Or offer us some actual substantial information regarding the other organizations that no one has ever heard of.
MyView

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Apr 18, 2008
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
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Maybe you can offer some news stories showing when terrorists in Xinjiang killed Chinese. Or offer us some actual substantial information regarding the other organizations that no one has ever heard of.
Maybe you can explain why the president of united states visited China during the darkest period in China ?

Since: Mar 08

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#17 Apr 18, 2008
2002
* May 11, Xiamen: Unsuccessful hijacking of an airliner by a man with two knives.
* October 2, Guilin: Suicide bombing injures 18.
2003
* August 13, Guangzhou: Car bomb in hotel lobby kills one, injures three. Masked bomber escapes.
2004
* January 22/23, Zhengzhou: Railway station bomb kills 2 and injures 4.
* July 17, Shenzhen: Pipe bomb kills 2 and injures 2 outside a movie theatre.
2005
* March 17, Jiangxi Province: Bus explosion kills 30 and injures 7.
* June 23, Handan: Garage explosion kills 3 and injures 16.
* August 8, Fuzhou: Cancer sufferer commits suicide bombing on a bus, injuring 31.
* November 25, Guanzhou: Bus bombing injures 3.
2006
* January 7: Suicide bombing kills five at courthouse.
* January 20, Renshou County, Sichuan: Gas pipeline explosion kills 10, injures 50. Cause not known.
* April 6, Guangyuan: Suicide bombing injures judge at courthouse.
* April 10, Yuanping: Blast at the staff hospital of Xuangang Coal and Electricity Co. kills 31.
* May 6, Hefei,: Bombs at two internet cafes kill 2 and injure 4.
* October 18, Huangmaoling: Father and son allegedly throw homemade bombs into crowd, killing 2 and injuring 17.
* October 28, Karamay, Xinjiang: Oil tank explodes, killing 17 and injuring up to 12. Cause “under investigation”, but sabotage by separatists is possible.
* December 16, Urumqi: Bomb at children’s hospital injures two.
2007
* January 3, Shenzhen: Roadside bomb kills two children.
* January 5, Xinjiang: One policeman and 18 suspected terrorists killed during a raid on a “terrorist camp”. 17 more were captured.
* January 9, Shenzhen: Another child seriously injured by a small bomb.
http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/18/major-...

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#18 Apr 18, 2008
Most of those have nothing to do with Xinjiang seperatists.

Like this one:

* August 8, Fuzhou: Cancer sufferer commits suicide bombing on a bus, injuring 31.

He was a Chinese man suffering from cancer and he pitied himself.

How many more of your examples are actually not the work of terrorists but rather Chinese killing themselves?

Lots.

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#19 Apr 18, 2008
Over 20,000 coal miners killed by greedy coal mine bosses who pay off local police to turn a blind eye to safety checks.

Which is more dangerous to the people of China? Your example of possibly 20 people killed, or my example of 20,000 killed?

Maybe China needs to stop focusing on it's ethnic minorities and start focusing on it's own people killing themselves for money.
LOL

Alhambra, CA

#21 Apr 18, 2008
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
Over 20,000 coal miners killed by greedy coal mine bosses who pay off local police to turn a blind eye to safety checks.
Which is more dangerous to the people of China? Your example of possibly 20 people killed, or my example of 20,000 killed?
Maybe China needs to stop focusing on it's ethnic minorities and start focusing on it's own people killing themselves for money.
i believe US and Europe went through the same phase of development where pollution is rampid and worker's rights were being abbused during the early part of 1900s. Read "the Jungle" and you will understand. So China is going through the same phase of development, India will too along with every other developing nation if they want to reach developed nation status. Its a transition, so why is US putting up with troops in Iraq getting killed now instead of worrying about economy?

“Freedom isn't Free”

Since: Apr 08

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#22 Apr 18, 2008
LOL wrote:
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i believe US and Europe went through the same phase of development where pollution is rampid and worker's rights were being abbused during the early part of 1900s. Read "the Jungle" and you will understand. So China is going through the same phase of development, India will too along with every other developing nation if they want to reach developed nation status. Its a transition, so why is US putting up with troops in Iraq getting killed now instead of worrying about economy?
This is not about America, this is about China. You guys seem to always try to shift the focus of the discussion back to another person or country.

The fact is, this is 2008, not 1808 or 1908. China has the ability now and today to stop it's coal miners from dying. But it does not. Money seems more important than anything else, including human life.

China should learn from America and England's mistakes, not repeat them.

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