Russia's success in Sochi Olympics is imported

There are 31 comments on the Mid-Day Mumbai story from Feb 17, 2014, titled Russia's success in Sochi Olympics is imported. In it, Mid-Day Mumbai reports that:

Sochi: After years of making little impact on Russia's sporting fortunes, foreign-born athletes poached from abroad are finally making an impact at the Winter Olympics.

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#1 Feb 17, 2014
After years of making little impact on Russia's sporting fortunes, foreign-born athletes poached from abroad are finally making an impact at the Winter Olympics. Russia has been much criticised at the Sochi Games as several athletes who were born or brought up in Russia won gold for other countries.

But the reverse has also come true in the last few days where a South Korean-born short track skater won a historic gold for Russia, a Ukrainian-born pairs skater won double gold and another Ukrainian-born short track skater win silver.

Such athletes from abroad, who take Russian nationality are known in Russian as 'legioneri'(legionnaires), a reference to the French Foreign Legion of soldiers hired from abroad.

After the disaster of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Games where Russia won just three golds, Russia's sports bosses wanted to win more.

In the boldest move, short track speed skater formerly known Ahn Hyun-Soo, who won three golds for South Korea in 2006, was granted Russian citizenship in 2011 and immediately became Russia's No 1 short track star.

Under his new name, Victor Ahn won gold in the 1,000m in Sochi to follow his bronze in the 1,500m. He was followed across the line by teammate Vladimir Grigorev, another "legionnaire," who was born in Ukraine.

"Should we really be happy (for their victory)?" asked the Sovietsky Sport daily. "Where are our guys?" Another non-Russia born winner is Ukraine-born Tatiana Volosozhar, who won team gold with her partner Maxim Trankov and then a sensational gold in the pairs competition itself.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#2 Feb 18, 2014
just a guy i knew wrote:
After years of making little impact on Russia's sporting fortunes, foreign-born athletes poached from abroad are finally making an impact at the Winter Olympics. Russia has been much criticised at the Sochi Games as several athletes who were born or brought up in Russia won gold for other countries.
But the reverse has also come true in the last few days where a South Korean-born short track skater won a historic gold for Russia, a Ukrainian-born pairs skater won double gold and another Ukrainian-born short track skater win silver.
Such athletes from abroad, who take Russian nationality are known in Russian as 'legioneri'(legionnaires), a reference to the French Foreign Legion of soldiers hired from abroad.
After the disaster of the Vancouver 2010 Winter Games where Russia won just three golds, Russia's sports bosses wanted to win more.
In the boldest move, short track speed skater formerly known Ahn Hyun-Soo, who won three golds for South Korea in 2006, was granted Russian citizenship in 2011 and immediately became Russia's No 1 short track star.
Under his new name, Victor Ahn won gold in the 1,000m in Sochi to follow his bronze in the 1,500m. He was followed across the line by teammate Vladimir Grigorev, another "legionnaire," who was born in Ukraine.
"Should we really be happy (for their victory)?" asked the Sovietsky Sport daily. "Where are our guys?" Another non-Russia born winner is Ukraine-born Tatiana Volosozhar, who won team gold with her partner Maxim Trankov and then a sensational gold in the pairs competition itself.
I wonder what Stefanya thinks of this? She was always accusing the West of poaching Russian sports stars, I Expect she'll keep quiet about it or be a total hypocrite and say 'Good for Russia!'
polly parrott

Lake Worth, FL

#3 Feb 18, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder what Stefanya thinks of this? She was always accusing the West of poaching Russian sports stars, I Expect she'll keep quiet about it or be a total hypocrite and say 'Good for Russia!'
Since when are Ukrainian born Russian athletes considered foreign?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#4 Feb 18, 2014
polly parrott wrote:
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Since when are Ukrainian born Russian athletes considered foreign?
Always.

Do you also think South Koreans aren't foreign?
polly parrot

Lake Worth, FL

#5 Feb 18, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Always.

Do you also think South Koreans aren't foreign?
I would not care if Dennis Rodman played for North Korea's Olympics basketball team. Are you a racist?

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#6 Feb 19, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder what Stefanya thinks of this? She was always accusing the West of poaching Russian sports stars, I Expect she'll keep quiet about it or be a total hypocrite and say 'Good for Russia!'
Stefanya has been busy living her life and watching the Sochi, Olmpics because they are taking place in Russia.
In the first place: According to the law former citizens of the Soviet Union who now live in areas, which thanks to the bad advice from the greedy Wonderful west, now live in areas no longer considered the Soviet Union, can choose to be on the team for the Russian Federation, or the territory, ie, country they now live in. That is why many people from all parts of the former Soviet Union, which was merely called Russia, long before it became the Soviet Union, a government, have moved to Russia for better opportunities.
So Tatiana , the skater from Kiev, always considered to be Russia and who is a Russian has every right to choose which part of the former Russia/ Soviet Union she wants to be a sportswoman for.
As it is Tatiana was training in Russia by the Russians. When she changed partners she decided to skate for Russia, as she no doubt had planned to do all along. Many skaters and other athletes of the territory of Russia before the breakup skate for other sports teams while they wait for a spot on the Russian team.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#7 Feb 19, 2014
Why aren’t you complaining about Oksana Baiuls coach and all the rest of the figure skating coaches going to Canada and the US to get jobs and are laboring to train the spoiled rotten kids of the wonderful west, who end up teaching the brats of the entire world whether they come from China, Japan, Europe or north America? They have left the Ukraine denuded of Olympic coaches in every sport. Just like Russias coaches have been spirited away to North America where every figure skater on earth except the ones from Russia get to buy their time leaving Russia without coaches,.
Sounds like you are the typical hypocrite who ignores the gigantic log in his eye while complaining about the tiny splinter.
Russia has only one athlete, Victor Ahn from South Korea, who became a Russian citizen, because his South Korean team refused to give him a spot on the team and he felt he was still good enough to win. If Ahn was coming in 9th or tenth, or even fourth, you would not be complaining.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#8 Feb 19, 2014
Sounds like you are the typical hypocrite who ignores the gigantic log in his eye while complaining about the tiny splinter.
Russia has only one athlete, Victor Ahn from South Korea, who became a Russian citizen, because his South Korean team refused to give him a spot on the team and he felt he was still good enough to win. If Ahn was coming in 9th or tenth, or even fourth, you would not be complaining.
I think only two athletes have ever come to Russia to take citizenship and play for Russia. The Japanese skater who had trained with Tamara Moskvina and then chose to become a citizen and become a Russian citizen. The Japanese nearly had heart attacks whining and moaning, all the while accepting the Russian athletes who skated on their team in the past.
Your hypocrisy knows no end.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

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#9 Feb 19, 2014
They stole the artists and performers from the Bolshoi and Kirov ballet, the remarkable singers and dancers the musicians and scientists to bolster their so-called perfect and better arts and sciences which weren’t so wonderful or top notch as it was necessary to steal those wonderful scientists and artists from Russia.
all the Moisev dancers, and put them in their own countries copy of the wonderful Moiseev dancers after watching all 39 tours of the Moiseev dancers and copying those ideas. The corps of the River dance troup from Ireland is actually Moiseev dancers, and their repertoire which in Irelands case depends on the stealing of ideas from Moiseev and taking the Riverdance dance from them, as It was Igor Moiseev and you put his unique choreography and ideas raising Irish dance to an art.:
Moscow Circus performers and put them into the Cirque du Soleil which they stole from the Moscow circus to begin with. It was the high level of the Moscow Circus and their performances which made the Canadian steal their ideas for Cirque du Soleil along with the impoverished performers. the figure skating and gymnastics and the rest of the Olympic sports they could get their hands on just to elevate their wonderful western performers just so they could compete. Hence the success of the gymnastics and the figure skating up to the present, as Russian coaches toiled to whip the western brats into shape.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

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Somewhere in Colorado

#10 Feb 19, 2014
It was akin to the Russians rebuilding 70,000 towns and villages with three quarters of its country in ruins, yes three quarters, as most people lived in the European part of the country, and minus 27 million people, murdered by the Germans. With millions of orphans and the learned people murdered off as the Germans made sure to kill those learned people and artists and still a decade later Russia came up with skaters and athletes which stood the world on its ear. And Russia is starting from scratch again.
You are such a hypocritical person to ignore the facts of history and pretending that the USA or others in the western world are on an even par with Russia. Russia is the underdog, losing territory and its learned people and half of it population.
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\But Russia has a heart and a soul which will always produce the best and the wonderful west will want to steal that which doesn’t b elong to them. The wonderful artists, scientists and people of Russia will always remain true to their traditions and their tradiiton of artistry and producing the best in sports and the arts will return.……..
IN spite of the Olympics padded with skateboarders and moguls etc. and other idiotic sports to pad the medals with medals the west can win.
There is no miracle on ice. The USA Can da and Europe has had the Russians on their teams and even Tretiak was forced to teach the Americans to suirvive.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

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Somewhere in Colorado

#11 Feb 19, 2014
But the joke is the wonderful west, because now Russians see what the wonderful west is all about and they will not give up their country nor trust the wonderful west to continue destroying their country.
They learned the hard way after they trusted the west after the fall of the soviet Union, and discovered that the wonderful was was nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing, who would take all they could for themselves and demand more, and more.
Russia will continue to produce the athletes and artists to stun the world and this time they will remain in Russia and help their own country instead of molly codding the wonderful west. The west will still be trying to steal more athletes and artists.
You hypocrite, you whine about one south Korea Athlete and one Japanese athlete,(who never won anything) who took Russiabn citizenship, while the wonderful west has stolern 99and 44/100s of Russias learned people. I said all this fifteen years ago and it is beginning to happen. The medals the Russians are winning are their own and is not dependent on foreign athletes, Russian figure skating is rejuvenating in spite of idiots like MarinaZueva who has mollycoddled the Canadian and Amercan ice dancers for some twenty years while the Russians went through a long period of nobody to teach their athletes and train them for figure skating and other sports. But cream rises to the top and so will the Russians inspite of the injustices done them.
It was akin to the Russians rebuilding 70,000 towns and villages with three quarters of its country in ruins, yes three quarters, as most people lived in the European part of the country, and minus 27 million people, murdered by the Germans. With millions of orphans and the learned people murdered off as the Germans made sure to kill those learned people and artists and still a decade later Russia came up with skaters and athletes which stood the world on its ear. And Russia is starting from scratch again.
You are such a hypocritical person to ignore the facts of history and pretending that the USA or others in the western world are on an even par with Russia. Russia is the underdog, losing territory and its learned people and half of it population.
\But Russia has a heart and a soul which will always produce the best and the wonderful west will want to steal that which doesn’t b elong to them. The wonderful artists, scientists and people of Russia will always remain true to their traditions and their tradiitin of artistry and producing the best in sports and the arts will return.……..
IN spite of the Olympics padded with skateboarders and moguls etc. and other idiotic sports to pad the medals with medals the west can win.
There is no miracle on ice. The USA Can da and Europe has had the Russians on their teams and even the Grea Russian GoalieTretiak was forced to teach the Americans to survive.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#12 Feb 19, 2014
Steffy, please tell us all about that great Russian hockey team...LOL
Avenger

Cambridge, Canada

#13 Feb 19, 2014
SWG wrote:
Steffy, please tell us all about that great Russian hockey team...LOL
Sweet bye bye Ovie Hehe

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#14 Feb 19, 2014
Was typical Ovie. Can't deliver when it counts.

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#15 Feb 19, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder what Stefanya thinks of this? She was always accusing the West of poaching Russian sports stars, I Expect she'll keep quiet about it or be a total hypocrite and say 'Good for Russia!'
If I were you I wouldn't care much what Ruskis or pro Ruskis have to say. Even when you're right they'll come up with a different story. Putinko taught them well.
Stefanya

Denver, CO

#16 Feb 21, 2014
SWG wrote:
Steffy, please tell us all about that great Russian hockey team...LOL
after a couple of decades of Russians playing in the USA andCanada and Russian coaches helping to whip the hockey teams of the west into shape. It is hardly a secret how theRussians train and how they do things.
As wonderful as the Russian people are they are like all people, they are people and not robots. Anyone can lose at any time, but the Russians hockey teams body of work past and present speaks for itself. The fall of the soviet Union brought a glut of thievery from the west and decimated Russia's population to theft ofRussia's resources, which thankfully, Vladimir Putin put a stop to,which will take a while to overcome. Russia needs to form a national team which will not play for anyone else in the world, and play the local teams.
Russia will figure it out and they are already managing to get some great figure skaters, even though they are drastically short of coaches, as the west continues to try to grab even retiring figure skaters to come teach their brats.But thankfully, there were skaters like Irina Sutskaya and Evgeni Plushenko who refused to come teach the American and western brats and remained in Russia to do what they could to restart a program of Skating for Russians.
Russia is the cream of the crop and will rise to the top and the hockey team is full of greats and still the team I stand by no matter what. This years tragedy will pass and the Russian hockey team will win again and again.
Go Russia, because in time the west will be attempting to steal from Russia its coaches and athletes. and I don't care what you or other biased hate-filled Russophobes say about Russians and their athletes. I know the conditions which have existed for the past two decades and the fact that it will take time to develop a new Olympic team.
Thanks to the wonderful west, for causing those dire conditions in Russia , but thanks even more to Vladimir Putin for putting a stop to the theft and chicanery of the wonderful west.
Russia will not only survive but thrive and they will do it on their own without any destructive help from the greedy and grubby hands of the wonderful west.
the wonderful west is a fraud. It needed, the fall of the Soviet Union, theft of its scientists, coaches and athletes and other artists, leaving Russia with only half of its population, difficult times, and a dire lack of coaches as well as good twenty years in order to finally produce a winning team from Canada and the USA in ice dance.
I am not impressed with the winnings of the wonderful west, and its glut of coaches and money.
I am more impressed with how Russia is rebuilding its country to be strong and independent of the devastating and greedy grubby grabbing hands of the wonderful west, who has shown its true colors with the way they treated Russia after the fall of theSoviet Union.
But no matter what, Russia will survive and be strong enough to withstand the nefarious schemes of the wonderful west and the lopsided advantage of the wonderful west with its glut of Russian coaches and athletes toiling for them. In a bit more time it will all change and Russia will be the winner, being its own boss and not losing what matters, the Country of Russia to the wonderful west and its machinations.

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Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#17 Feb 21, 2014
just a guy i knew wrote:
<quoted text>If I were you I wouldn't care much what Ruskis or pro Ruskis have to say. Even when you're right they'll come up with a different story. Putinko taught them well.
If I were you I would be sure I knew what I was talking about.

In the first place I am of Ukrainian heritage and I have lived in this country since I was five years old. All of my education, K through two university degrees has been in the USA. However, I think for my self. I use libraries to get my knowledge, and do not rely on public opinion or the very biased propaganda which passes for news in this country.

Good for Putin for saving Russia and stopping any further western theft of Russian lands.

Like most biased hate-filled Russophobes you are closed=minded, and ignorant of the facts.

Russia is an underdog in the process of overcoming the dire consequences and the loss of its learned and talented people and the loss of half of its population, some 150 million people.

It is exciting to see Russia rebuilding its country and its Olympic team, with the world in possession of its terrific athletes and coaches to coach them. But Russia and its people will persevere and develop more athletes and coaches to coach them. And will still be the cleanest country as to use of foreign athletes.

Good luck to Russia and Russians and to its Olympic athletes. YOu are terrific and doing great things considering the circumstances and that includes the Russian hockey team, which has has a long and great past and will have an equally great future.

You sir, can wallow in your prejudices and ignorance. It is of no nevermind to me.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#18 Feb 21, 2014
The Russians have managed to rebuild its figure skating team with some terrific athletes and their performances, much to the dismay of the biased hate-filled Russophobes. They have done it in spite of the vast 99 percent theft of Russian coaches and skaters, who are based largely in North America. Good for Russia! And the h*ll with those who are benefitting from Russias terrific coaches in several fields and Russian athletes who skate for or coach in America. where all athletes all over the world even red china can come and get Russian expertise while Russians are deprived.

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Somewhere in Colorado

#19 Feb 21, 2014
Just ask icedancers Meryl Davis and Charlie white and the Canadian ice dancing team who have had the benefit of top notch choreographers and coaches trained in Moscow for the past 20 years.

What a shame that the US and other nations, incljuding the Canadians, Chinese and the rest have have to depend on the much maligned Russians to get good enough to finally win a gold medal a the last Olympics and this one. Seems that l;ots of things that are the best in the world were not born or made in America. As well as Sikorski who invented the helicopter IN RUSSIA.

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Somewhere in Colorado

#20 Feb 21, 2014
iN A STORY IN THE NEWS: It seems that the members of the American hockey team agree with me as they admit that since ice hockey is now full of professionals all around that there is no :"miracle on ice" Intertestingly enough, the American hockey team admitted this after losing to Canada and being forced to play for bronze. Guess it humbled them a bit, and made them realize that anyone even the very best can lose at any time. lol

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