Has Michael Schumacher's legacy been ...

Has Michael Schumacher's legacy been damaged by his less than glittering F1 comeback?

There are 66 comments on the TalkSport story from Aug 24, 2011, titled Has Michael Schumacher's legacy been damaged by his less than glittering F1 comeback?. In it, TalkSport reports that:

Ex-Formula One boss Eddie Jordan has said that driving supremo Michael Schumacher is an old fart who has "had his time." He also warned that his legacy could be affected if he does not get his exit from the sport bang on.

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Ralf

Klosterneuburg, Austria

#41 Sep 12, 2011
redneck Bob from Atlanta wrote:
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yip every time .. Canada Spa and now Monza ..
... thank goodness the FIA changed the rules or Alonso might have gone the same way, as it is he had to cheat in 2006 to win his second WDC ...
the only one that matters is the winner, and Alonso has won nothing for 5 yrs new ... Alonso is nothign more than lying cheating coward ... or have you forgotten Spygate and Crashgate ...
EVERY time; yeah, you're right, there'd been just three races this season and MS was great at each...
Look at the stats: Nico was quicker EVERY time in qualy - according to your logic (Monaco no chance for another run and Monza with harder tires)
But you're right again, the only thing that matters is the winner. Did MS win? Has he even been on the podium with Mercedes?
Cheating. We talked about this already. MS "won" his first championship by cheating and tried it again with Villeneuve...
About Alonso's part in Singapore or the spygate knows no one for sure, but MS's cheating is/was obvious...
But I admit, MS made a great show in Monza - I really enjoyed watching the fight with Hamilton.
Ralf

Klosterneuburg, Austria

#42 Sep 12, 2011
redneck Bob from Atlanta wrote:
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... but Schumie losing his wheel nut in Quali in Spa that was his fault ... you stupid blind Schumie hater ...
??????????
Where did you read this?
This question refers to both the wheel nut accusation and that I am a Schumi hater.
Show me the statements!
I have no reason to hate that guy; I don't even know him.
You love him so much that every negative comment about him is a sign of hatred...
kanna

Mumbai, India

#43 Sep 17, 2011
mallamoozoo wrote:
The article fails to expose the fraud that is the Schumacher myth – the guy's statistical record is utterly meaningless since no one else had $5 BILLION spent on building the best team around them and them alone – as Schui did from 1996 to 2006. To answer a previous comment; YES – your mother COULD have won those 7 titles and 91 races also – in the privileged circumstances Shui fell into.
2010,2011 has shown the true standard of Schumacher with unique privileges removed and forced to compete on the same level as everyone else – ie – MEDIOCRE AT BEST!– beaten almost every race by a guy who has never won a race!
Not merely not as good as the mighty and unparalleled Ayrton Senna – not even in the same Universe! Not a pale shadow – a mere pea next to the Senna mountain!(whose stats [combined strikerates for quallifying and race wins] are actually BETTER anyway – despite vastly inferior cars and vastly stronger competition)
- absolute bull shit - Schumi is the greatest & best driver ever - He is the supreme master & Senna a student - The way at this age of 42 the way he handled Hamilton he proved beyond a doubt why he is simply the greatest & best ever. Even today if he drives a car which is equvivalent to Ferrai,Red Bull or Maclaren Mercedez he could possibly even now win a title . Senna never drove a inferior car Schumi beat him hollow in his first season itself & he had the guts to go to Ferrari which was not even finishing races & Senna would have never even dreamt of doing this. If you look at the anti Schmi people most of them are Britisher's because they can't digest the success of a German. 95
5 of F1 writers , commentators are British .Schumi still haunts them. When Senna is a student compared to the supreme master Schumi - guys like Hamilton & Button are peanuts
kanna

Mumbai, India

#44 Sep 17, 2011
Michael Schumacher is the greatest sports personality ever no other sportsman or woman has dominated a sport like Schumi . Had Schumi continued to drive for Benneton he would have won at least one or two more championships & also with Ferrari during one season he got injured ina accident due to which he could not take part in four races & had he continued he would have won that year also. The man has enormous guts that why he chose Ferrari which were not even finishing races. He built up the taem , instilled confidence in them & the rest is history.Schumi's driving skills was is & will never be matched by any driver all drivers past , present & future are mere students in front of the supreme genius & master. There have been several occasions where he has proved why is he is the greatest & best . There have been races when he started last & finished first.He lost his mother & went on to win the grandprix the next day this shows his determination. 91 race wins & 7 championship titles are not just gifted to a person. He has repaid Rubens Barrichelo twice once in Brazil & the other ime in USA for the once team order & the shameless British commentators & writers conveniently forget to mention this & wen Ralph Schgumacher was given team orders to let go a Brithish Driver nothing was commented on that. Unlike Schumi who won with cars that were not even second Senna always drove the best cars possible. Ferrari became Ferrari because of Schumi. In the Italian Grandprix - 2011 he just showed the pretender Hamilton his class as the supreme master.Rules in the past were framed to stop Schumi yet he responded by smashing those by winning one after another.It is important to note that if any British driver makes a faulty move or would have done exactly what Schumi does than it would be termed as proper racing? shameless British hypocracy & sadism Teams or team owners don't listen to every Tom , Dick & Harry they only listen to those who are supreme & that was the Schumi-the mightiest,greatest ,best,most talented,most articulate , the supreme genius ever. It is important to note that the jealousy towards Schumacher is mainy because of his supreme domination of F1 which no driver past , present or in the future can even dream of.British origin surveys or polls are more than 90% replied by Britishers only who are extremely jealous of Schumi. Schmi's performances will continue to haunt them even in their dreams. Schumi's dominance of F1 is beyond adjectives which all other drivers can not even dream of. Never ever would mankind see a God like Schumi in any sport. Let the shameless sadists continue to be haunted by Schumi forever in their dreams also.
Ralf

Vienna, Austria

#45 Sep 17, 2011
kanna wrote:
...Had Schumi continued to drive for Benneton he would have won at least one or two more championships &

...had he continued he would have won that year also

...He built up the taem , instilled confidence in them & the rest is history.Schumi's driving skills was is & will never be matched by any driver all drivers past , present & future

...It is important to note that if any British driver makes a faulty move or would have done exactly what Schumi does than it would be termed as proper racing? shameless British hypocracy & sadism
Would I, could I, come on, what's that?
WOULD Senna not have died than he WOULD be the one with 7 or even 8 titles and Schumi not even one...
Senna always drove the best car? Come on again. Do you have any clue what kind of car the Toleman was? Austria 1984 was my second time to visit the track and all of us wondered who's that guy on place ten on the grid. Toleman? Senna? Never heard of...
Lotus another example for a great car. Lotus' glorious time was over with the 1978 season.

And one more come on for that myth that Schumi built up Ferrari. He sure contributed a lot, but he cannot get the whole credit for the job. Lauda came to Ferrari and won his title in his second year, Ferrari's first since 11 years, people used to say that he made Ferrari great again; that's as much crap as if one would say that Vettel built Red Bull...

And one last come on for the comment toward's British jealousy. Hamilton is the best example. Look at that guy, he's so similar to Schumi in this eagerness to win. To him a second place means already failure. That makes him fight and drive at the limit. And that brings him penalties and critics in the press...

Love makes one blind...
the blind love for the great Schumi, the bestever, the ultimate driver takes the ability to be objective and reasonable;
You guys don't get it, do you?
It's common knowledge what Schumi achieved and that leaves him vulnerable...expectation is high...
I don't believe that any real F1 fan can hate Schumi. What I hate is, that the guy always is presented as the bestever and that's simply NOT true.
Nico is the example that I can use to show that Michael can be beaten.

“Is that Banjo Music I hear ...”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#46 Sep 18, 2011
Ralf wrote:
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Would I, could I, come on, what's that?
WOULD Senna not have died than he WOULD be the one with 7 or even 8 titles and Schumi not even one...
Senna always drove the best car? Come on again. Do you have any clue what kind of car the Toleman was? Austria 1984 was my second time to visit the track and all of us wondered who's that guy on place ten on the grid. Toleman? Senna? Never heard of...
Lotus another example for a great car. Lotus' glorious time was over with the 1978 season.
And one more come on for that myth that Schumi built up Ferrari. He sure contributed a lot, but he cannot get the whole credit for the job. Lauda came to Ferrari and won his title in his second year, Ferrari's first since 11 years, people used to say that he made Ferrari great again; that's as much crap as if one would say that Vettel built Red Bull...
And one last come on for the comment toward's British jealousy. Hamilton is the best example. Look at that guy, he's so similar to Schumi in this eagerness to win. To him a second place means already failure. That makes him fight and drive at the limit. And that brings him penalties and critics in the press...
Love makes one blind...
the blind love for the great Schumi, the bestever, the ultimate driver takes the ability to be objective and reasonable;
You guys don't get it, do you?
It's common knowledge what Schumi achieved and that leaves him vulnerable...expectation is high...
I don't believe that any real F1 fan can hate Schumi. What I hate is, that the guy always is presented as the bestever and that's simply NOT true.
Nico is the example that I can use to show that Michael can be beaten.
hahaha hey ROFL you retard, 7 or 8 WDCs for Senna, yea right. You're about as ignorant as your half breed bum chum Billybob. Sad really I bet if you ever asked an F1 driver how good second place is they would laugh at you. I guess that comes with living in a pissy socialist place, everyone is a winner hey, even the bloke who comes last should get a trophy. You hate Schumie you dumbass, don't try the buttering up bullcrap, you hate him because he won, because he is the gretaest driver ever, and no matter which way you look at it that won't change. You Alonso worshitting morons thought when he went to Ferrrari that he would destroy everyone and break all of Schumies remarkable records and achievements, hahah how's that all working out for you haters ... sorry to say but there will always only ever be one king at Maranello ... it is so childish Alonso threw his toys out the cot when Schumie was invited to have lunch with them last year ... El Cheato at his best ... he's eating my pasta boo hooo ... what a joke. In your eyes it has to be a myth that Schumie helped build up Ferrari, it's the only way you justify your hatred for the guy ... keep dreaming dumbass, keep drinking the koolaid, and keep chasing Nico to get a wiff of his butt hole so you can go home and throttle that one eyed wonder weazel .. you stupid git ...
Ralf

Vienna, Austria

#47 Sep 18, 2011
redneck Bob from Atlanta wrote:
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...Sad really I bet if you ever asked an F1 driver how good second place is they would laugh at you.

...I guess that comes with living in a pissy socialist place...

...You hate Schumie you dumbass, don't try the buttering up bullcrap, you hate him because he won,
reading comprehension improves usually by READING a lot...try it. Look again at what I said about being second about myths and about hate. Read and think, write a draft, throw it out and write another; throw that out too and never write again!!!

Don't try to guess, try thinking for a change...

The one who is hating here is you...you hate Alonso and every other driver who beats your dear Schumi...

I just wonder why you're responding now. Why didn't you comment about the wheel nut, the three races and that Nico is better in qualifying. If your hero is that good, why doesn't he show it more often?

“Is that Banjo Music I hear ...”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#48 Sep 18, 2011
Ralf wrote:
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reading comprehension improves usually by READING a lot...try it. Look again at what I said about being second about myths and about hate. Read and think, write a draft, throw it out and write another; throw that out too and never write again!!!
Don't try to guess, try thinking for a change...
The one who is hating here is you...you hate Alonso and every other driver who beats your dear Schumi...
I just wonder why you're responding now. Why didn't you comment about the wheel nut, the three races and that Nico is better in qualifying. If your hero is that good, why doesn't he show it more often?
you must be one of those boring little school teachers with the bullet proof glasses hey ROFL ... you're always going on and on and on about comprehension ... sadly I think it's you my little Anustrian who is incapable of reading or comprehending .... PS my hero showed it better than all the rest out there ... or have you forgotten 7 WDC's, 91 wins ... umm more WDC's than the entire current field. more WDC's than your heroes Senna and Alonso combined .. 7 more WDC's than your butt buddy Nico Rosberg ... where would you like me to stop ... he doesn't show it more often, he has shown it for 20 yrs now, sadly you chose to ignore it, because you hatred overshadows your ability to understand ... you're pathetic, you're stupid, and most of all your a horses ass of an F1 fan ... dumbass
Ralf

Vienna, Austria

#49 Sep 18, 2011
redneck Bob from Atlanta wrote:
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... you're always going on and on and on about comprehension ... sadly I think it's you my little Anustrian who is incapable of reading or comprehending ....

...PS my hero showed it better than all the rest out there ...

... he doesn't show it more often, he has shown it for 20 yrs now

...or have you forgotten 7 WDC's, 91 wins ... umm more WDC's than the entire current field. more WDC's than your heroes Senna and Alonso combined ..
Going on and on and on with the SAME old tune - 7/91...; blah, blah, blah...

...he surely did show, for 20 years and now he's tired of showing EVERY time. Showing little Nico who never won a race, showing all of us how much better he is in the SAME car.

And, of course going on and on with cursing because you don't have anything else. In fact there isn't anything new about Schumacher you could tell us...you told us many times over. Or is there?
Go, light a candle at your MS altar and pray that Nico will be taken out again and Michael can beat him once more, cause that's the only way he'll beat his team mate.
You're not a F1 fan, you are a sorry little example of a worshipper of a waning star.
Herman Munster

Plymouth, UK

#50 Sep 19, 2011
I dont think he legacy has been damaged, not with me anyway.

I always knew he was a cheating twat who only got 7 WDCs cuz bernie got ferrari to spend billions on him - and no one was allowed to race him. when montoya got close they engineered a tyre rule change to ensure the WDC went to schumacher.

Even the benetton had illegal traction / launch control, they knew and let them get away with it.

The whole scumacher thing was a huge PR stunt by the FIA and Bernie. Schumacher is a fraud.
Joshua

South Africa

#51 Sep 20, 2011
Herman Munster wrote:
I dont think he legacy has been damaged, not with me anyway.
I always knew he was a cheating twat who only got 7 WDCs cuz bernie got ferrari to spend billions on him - and no one was allowed to race him. when montoya got close they engineered a tyre rule change to ensure the WDC went to schumacher.
Even the benetton had illegal traction / launch control, they knew and let them get away with it.
The whole scumacher thing was a huge PR stunt by the FIA and Bernie. Schumacher is a fraud.
..My son laughed at this post and he's only 7 years old..

..Wow, what a lot of crap..and conspiracy theories !!

Grow up !

Bernie engineered this, bernie wrote this script..PR my ass !
Ralf

Vienna, Austria

#52 Sep 20, 2011
Joshua wrote:
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..My son laughed at this post and he's only 7 years old..
..Wow, what a lot of crap..and conspiracy theories !!
Grow up !
Bernie engineered this, bernie wrote this script..PR my ass !
Your son's nickname is Bob and he's in a special needs school in Atlanta, right?

Since: Apr 07

United States

#53 Sep 20, 2011
Those who say that no one has dominated a sport like Schumacher, never heard of Richard Petty.
Google that name, see the stats and get back to me.

The longer Schumacher loses, the more Ayrton Senna's legend continues to grow. At the time of Schumacher's forced retirement, he had his record to stand on and few could argue, now it looks that his career is built on the corporate power of Ferrari. A team that he joined a year after they won the World Championship has not allowed him to win one race since the comeback. That cannot help but hurt his legacy.

But to his credit, he must have taken that under consideration before he decided to. He wanted to drive and that is in essence what MS is about. He did not wish to retire in the first place, and his showing flashes of brilliance in a car that does not rate with the performance of RedBull, Ferrari and McLaren is laudable. The fact that his younger, just as quick teammate has not won as well also speaks to what the Silver Arrow cannot do.

In the end, his numbers will still stand. To many he is still the best, and I'm sure that he will have no trouble sleeping at night because he at least went out on his own terms.
Ralf

Vienna, Austria

#54 Sep 25, 2011
Has Michael Schumacher's legacy been damaged by his less than glittering F1 comeback?
Even more as he damaged his own car only in this season...
Most of these errors are rookie errors or the errors of an old man, go home Shumi, there's enough damage done...
heiki kulta live

Chester, UK

#55 Sep 25, 2011
MarkL5 wrote:
Those who say that no one has dominated a sport like Schumacher, never heard of Richard Petty.
Google that name, see the stats and get back to me.
The longer Schumacher loses, the more Ayrton Senna's legend continues to grow. At the time of Schumacher's forced retirement, he had his record to stand on and few could argue, now it looks that his career is built on the corporate power of Ferrari. A team that he joined a year after they won the World Championship has not allowed him to win one race since the comeback. That cannot help but hurt his legacy.
But to his credit, he must have taken that under consideration before he decided to. He wanted to drive and that is in essence what MS is about. He did not wish to retire in the first place, and his showing flashes of brilliance in a car that does not rate with the performance of RedBull, Ferrari and McLaren is laudable. The fact that his younger, just as quick teammate has not won as well also speaks to what the Silver Arrow cannot do.
In the end, his numbers will still stand. To many he is still the best, and I'm sure that he will have no trouble sleeping at night because he at least went out on his own terms.
and your point is very long winded senna like all authors painters ind sportsman are always better than their living but as the stats proovvee senna is all hype andto late gud will on the deseist pity he wasnsnt appreiciated when al;ive micheal will never be beaten wether u or i like it the silverspooned kid has a big headache rite now when he entered f1 in was it 07 hes still there now and now paying for it what a boring little twat its bak fired on him micheal said it to the beast in monza thou shall not pass ha haaaaaaaaa jenson come on son bring bak kimi to williams lol

Since: Apr 07

United States

#56 Sep 26, 2011
heiki kulta live wrote:
<quoted text>and your point is very long winded senna like all authors painters ind sportsman are always better than their living but as the stats proovvee senna is all hype andto late gud will on the deseist pity he wasnsnt appreiciated when al;ive micheal will never be beaten wether u or i like it the silverspooned kid has a big headache rite now when he entered f1 in was it 07 hes still there now and now paying for it what a boring little twat its bak fired on him micheal said it to the beast in monza thou shall not pass ha haaaaaaaaa jenson come on son bring bak kimi to williams lol
Ok.
Herman Munster

Plymouth, UK

#57 Sep 26, 2011
Scummy fans say hes won 7WDCs, 91 wins yakety yak. They dont look deeper than that the shallow idiots.

If you look into all those BS successes, you see he was a cheating twat. And he's lucky to be driving at his age, Senna didnt get the chance.

Scumacher only became successful after Senna had died, and if Damon Hill took him to the wire and would have won the 94 WDC if the cheating bastard hadnt crashed him out of the race, Senna would have wiped the floor with him.

Domination doesn't equal "sportsmanship", try You tubing the Rasscasse incident for an example of the low down dirty cheat.
I wish he'd broken his frikkin neck when he hit Perez, I'm still laughing at that one.
turin sunnymate ispoo

Wrexham, UK

#58 Sep 26, 2011
MarkL5 wrote:
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Ok.
micheal did and still does get away with murder the race stewards still seem to be inconsistant they do love lewy dewy ha haaa
turin sunnymate ispoo

Wrexham, UK

#59 Sep 26, 2011
Herman Munster wrote:
Scummy fans say hes won 7WDCs, 91 wins yakety yak. They dont look deeper than that the shallow idiots.
If you look into all those BS successes, you see he was a cheating twat. And he's lucky to be driving at his age, Senna didnt get the chance.
Scumacher only became successful after Senna had died, and if Damon Hill took him to the wire and would have won the 94 WDC if the cheating bastard hadnt crashed him out of the race, Senna would have wiped the floor with him.
Domination doesn't equal "sportsmanship", try You tubing the Rasscasse incident for an example of the low down dirty cheat.
I wish he'd broken his frikkin neck when he hit Perez, I'm still laughing at that one.
micheal overall in his first career has had a positive impact on the sport my veiws on how micheal acheives his goals have changed he has always been ruthless and sumtimes outcomes are counter productive yuo dont win at this level including rule and reg bending which all teams do until prooven of cheating love him or hate him i have many great memories in my small brain of him winning and fighting and being bad on track lol

“Is that Banjo Music I hear ...”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#60 Sep 28, 2011
Herman Munster wrote:
Scummy fans say hes won 7WDCs, 91 wins yakety yak. They dont look deeper than that the shallow idiots.
If you look into all those BS successes, you see he was a cheating twat. And he's lucky to be driving at his age, Senna didnt get the chance.
Scumacher only became successful after Senna had died, and if Damon Hill took him to the wire and would have won the 94 WDC if the cheating bastard hadnt crashed him out of the race, Senna would have wiped the floor with him.
Domination doesn't equal "sportsmanship", try You tubing the Rasscasse incident for an example of the low down dirty cheat.
I wish he'd broken his frikkin neck when he hit Perez, I'm still laughing at that one.
hmmm funny Senna would have only been a 2 x WDC if he hadn't crashed into Prost ... who's a cheating bastard now half breed ... oh and by the way I could see how Senna was wiping the floor with Schumie ... first 2 races of the season Schumie won and Senna scored no points ...race 3 was much the same ... fuck you are a dumb SOB ... oh by the way while you're youtubing Rascasse, try the same with some issue called crashgate ... Alonso organising his teamate to crash out so he could steal a win in 2008. talk about scum ... hey dumbass you're barking up the wrong tree, although I must give you credit, it is the same tree your mom and dad pee against every day when their master lets them out the house to run around ...

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