Relevance of Civil War Monuments Up f...

Relevance of Civil War Monuments Up for Debate

There are 95 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 17, 2013, titled Relevance of Civil War Monuments Up for Debate. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Organizers say the discussion was important after Vice Mayor Kristin Szakos faced strong criticism for questioning the relevance of the confederate statues.

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Jennifer

Charlottesville, VA

#83 Jan 23, 2013
If a black man is descended from slaves, so what. If a white man is descended from a slave owner, so what. The sins of the fathers aren't the sins of the sons. I doubt very seriously that most white people look at a black man and see a former slave Based on certain stero-types that do exist, they might see something they dislike or distrust, but it's not because they see a former slave. Sad to say, a lot of them probably aren't even aware slavery ever existed in Virginia. If it comes out of a book or on TV, it's not important. If a teacher says it, it's just blah, blah, blah that never sinks in. If it's not part of a video game, it's a waste of time. Same with far too many black kids and young adults. It doesn't matter where they came from and they don't really care where they're going. How this country came to be, good and bad, doesn't mean a thing to them. If we don't believe in the importance of the past, why should we believe in the importance of the future? What's going to happen if we ever have to depend on this could care less, so what or whatever generation to defend us?
Dude

Winchester, VA

#84 Jan 23, 2013
CvilleMechEngr wrote:
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My view is that we won't affect the outcome. I never contended that we couldn't mitigate it somewhat. I do believe that it would take as long to undo the damage as it did to create it. I see no real movement though. The crisis point between population and resource availability has arrived for much of the world. Do we think that we won't be affected? How many bad crop seasons do we think that our own country can withstand?
Who is going to affect the outcome, and when will they start? I hereby order the world to take a break from consuming and making babies and waste. I hope that helps, but I'm not convinced that the will exists to do anything drastically different.
I am very happy with my place on the planet. I wish it would continue, and I wish everyone the best. There are wise individuals on this planet, but we as a population have no common sense or foresight. The lack of will of the masses will decide the outcome.
You and I are very similar, though as cynical as I am, I still hope for us to wake up, and I still do my part. Hope was the last spirit to escape from Pandora's box. And I agree, realistically, we're too shortsighted and too weak willed to do what it takes to preserve ourselves as a species. The wisdom to most people are lost, as was Cassandra's. It think the best analogy is a fire on a ship, you better fight it, because where are you going to go? Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
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“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him.… We need not wait to see what others do.”

~Mahatma Gandhi
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or in bumper sticker fashion
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"Be the change you want to see in the world."
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Cheer's mate... I don't know if you drink, but I'll have one to you this evening.
CvilleMechEngr

Charlottesville, VA

#85 Jan 23, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>You and I are very similar, though as cynical as I am, I still hope for us to wake up, and I still do my part. Hope was the last spirit to escape from Pandora's box. And I agree, realistically, we're too shortsighted and too weak willed to do what it takes to preserve ourselves as a species. The wisdom to most people are lost, as was Cassandra's. It think the best analogy is a fire on a ship, you better fight it, because where are you going to go? Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
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Cheer's mate... I don't know if you drink, but I'll have one to you this evening.
I am not saying that humans will be wiped from the face of the earth. Even Lovelock thinks that a few million can survive in the northern latitudes. The human population was purportedly whittled down to a few hundred breeding humans about 195,000 years ago due to natural climate changes. We squeaked by. We'll get by again in some fashion.

We as individuals are all important and nothing at all. It may not even matter whether or not humans survive - nobody else may notice or miss us. We are part of something much larger. It will continue and never die. Cheers
What the Hell

Portsmouth, VA

#86 Jan 23, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>No, the effect is the same no matter the history of either. And when slavery was abolished, there was an effort to hang as many blacks as possible in an effort to achieve the same goal. Just ask your next door KKK neighbor.
You have got to be an idiot, to say that the current joke of a KKK has anything to do with what Nathan Bedford Forrest started to attempt to defend the rights of legal land owners in the South is the biggest joke. I would not urinate on a current KKK member if he were on fire, however, I would have ridden right beside NBF.

Many former slaver, although free, did not have any way of dealing with life on the outside of the plantation so some of them wanted to stay and live the only life they had ever known. Today that is called being institutalized.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#87 Jan 23, 2013
What the Hell wrote:
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You have got to be an idiot, to say that the current joke of a KKK has anything to do with what Nathan Bedford Forrest started to attempt to defend the rights of legal land owners in the South is the biggest joke. I would not urinate on a current KKK member if he were on fire, however, I would have ridden right beside NBF.
Many former slaver, although free, did not have any way of dealing with life on the outside of the plantation so some of them wanted to stay and live the only life they had ever known. Today that is called being institutalized.
Deny, deny, deny. Even Lincoln wanted to recolonize blacks.
Roger Pelletier

Chattanooga, TN

#88 Feb 11, 2013
I am rather appalled at the lack of knowledge exhibited by our liberal agendists. Most southerners opposed the splitting of our nation but after attacks by Federal troops into various states, threw their hat in to support and defend their homeland. My family was no different. One side fought for NC and the other side opposed until the war took one of their own.

In many books written by fiction authors you come under the impression of the solid south. In my research I found no such thing. If you fought for the Confederacy you might die for the Confederacy. Did it occur to any of you they believed they were fighting for their country? That it was appropriate that they be buried under their chosen country's flag? That those honored soldiers deserve to have their efforts remebered? This isn't all about slavery. It is about beliefs and arrogant persons will try to change those.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#89 Feb 11, 2013
They have preserved Buckanwald? not to glorify the holocaust but to remind us of the evils of mans nature, not so the statues of Lee and and his ilk, they serve to remind idiots of a past glories and a lifestyle built on the suffering of others. Can't you dare to imagine what a black person feels everytime they lay eyes on a reminder of hate and ignorance?
real central va Marine

Crozet, VA

#90 Feb 11, 2013
sez you wrote:
They have preserved Buckanwald? not to glorify the holocaust but to remind us of the evils of mans nature, not so the statues of Lee and and his ilk, they serve to remind idiots of a past glories and a lifestyle built on the suffering of others. Can't you dare to imagine what a black person feels everytime they lay eyes on a reminder of hate and ignorance?
Only the blacks who persist in claiming victim status. The intelligent blacks I associate with have moved on from the continuation of claiming they must be given reparations. They don't need the pity. They are better than that.
Native

Charlottesville, VA

#91 Feb 11, 2013
sez you wrote:
They have preserved Buckanwald? not to glorify the holocaust but to remind us of the evils of mans nature, not so the statues of Lee and and his ilk, they serve to remind idiots of a past glories and a lifestyle built on the suffering of others. Can't you dare to imagine what a black person feels everytime they lay eyes on a reminder of hate and ignorance?
You will always be a victim if you think you are!
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#92 Feb 11, 2013
Native wrote:
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You will always be a victim if you think you are!
There you go, you look at these idols throught the eyes of white man and have a white mans perspective, This is not about victimology, this is about how one feels about their place on a culture. Yeh there are a lot of blacks who delude themselves into thinking playing the victim will improve their lot, let them dream on, this is about us as a nation and how we want All our citizens to feel impowered. Imagine yourself as 5 yr old asking your parents who that is on that horse, what do you say? What can you say that won't leave open a big question mark on that kids mind of how they should perceive themself.
Native

Charlottesville, VA

#93 Feb 11, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>There you go, you look at these idols throught the eyes of white man and have a white mans perspective, This is not about victimology, this is about how one feels about their place on a culture. Yeh there are a lot of blacks who delude themselves into thinking playing the victim will improve their lot, let them dream on, this is about us as a nation and how we want All our citizens to feel impowered. Imagine yourself as 5 yr old asking your parents who that is on that horse, what do you say? What can you say that won't leave open a big question mark on that kids mind of how they should perceive themself.
These are historical figures....treat them as such and speak the truth about them.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#94 Feb 11, 2013
Native wrote:
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These are historical figures....treat them as such and speak the truth about them.
So whats to understand? the south wanted to quit the union to preserve a lifestyle based solely on slavery. No slaves, no money, period. Lee left West Point to help save the slave trade. Lincoln really didn't give a rats behind about blacks but used that issue to help win the war and preserve the union. Making heroes out of southern generals is a joke. One has to keep in mind when these statues to ignorance were built, The KKK was having a ball and the south was gonna rise again. They're an insult to humanity.
Boodreau

Saraland, AL

#95 Feb 11, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>So whats to understand? the south wanted to quit the union to preserve a lifestyle based solely on slavery. No slaves, no money, period. Lee left West Point to help save the slave trade. Lincoln really didn't give a rats behind about blacks but used that issue to help win the war and preserve the union. Making heroes out of southern generals is a joke. One has to keep in mind when these statues to ignorance were built, The KKK was having a ball and the south was gonna rise again. They're an insult to humanity.
Maybe being proud of medals you won in Vietnam for the wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children is an insult to humanity
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#96 Feb 11, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>So whats to understand? the south wanted to quit the union to preserve a lifestyle based solely on slavery. No slaves, no money, period. Lee left West Point to help save the slave trade. Lincoln really didn't give a rats behind about blacks but used that issue to help win the war and preserve the union. Making heroes out of southern generals is a joke. One has to keep in mind when these statues to ignorance were built, The KKK was having a ball and the south was gonna rise again. They're an insult to humanity.
Lee was pro emancipation, pro-Black American confederate milita, and PRO ACS (Africa colonization Society). Lee also broke the law and risked prison by educating slaves, and prior to secession, Lee turned down command of the Confederate forces.
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If you take the context of history into account, state loyalty was as or stronger as nationality. It's why most nationalists make fun of Texans. He was no different in his love for Virginia. We cannot ignore historical context.

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"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

~Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#97 Feb 11, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Lee was pro emancipation, pro-Black American confederate milita, and PRO ACS (Africa colonization Society). Lee also broke the law and risked prison by educating slaves, and prior to secession, Lee turned down command of the Confederate forces.
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If you take the context of history into account, state loyalty was as or stronger as nationality. It's why most nationalists make fun of Texans. He was no different in his love for Virginia. We cannot ignore historical context.
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"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."
~Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856
Like Jefferson I suppose, he had slaves because he had to, he eventually died a pauper. Actions do speak louder than words.

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