Lost in the alleged rape and then suicide of a MU swimmer is the duty to protect all students

Jan 29, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Kansas City Star

The apparent shrugging off of university responsibility quickly became one of the most overlooked aspects of the complicated and troubling story of Sasha Menu Courey.

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so sad in away here is a case that never should have happen... no excuse for it , the rape .. but a sense of common sense should prevail as we..one lone female doesn't jog at dusk in the woods ....

relax not blaming her ... just thinking.. some people should be thinking... she didn't
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so sad in away here is a case that never should have happen... no excuse for it , the rape .. but a sense of common sense should prevail as we..one lone female doesn't jog at dusk in the woods ....
relax not blaming her ... just thinking.. some people should be thinking... she didn't
We as a society should strive to make it safe for ANY American to be anywhere, at any time, and not be raped, robbed, assaulted, or killed by others.

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We as a society should strive to make it safe for ANY American to be anywhere, at any time, and not be raped, robbed, assaulted, or killed by others.
yes as a society we do , but common sense must prevail as well

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aka ....not thinking

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Drunk, you're clearly blaming her at the very least for not "thinking."
Why can't you see that?
see .......case in point some people don't think ...
EX: Christ alibanned again ....

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yes as a society we do , but common sense must prevail as well
And we should make it safe to go out at 5 AM, even if you were born with a vagina, or live as someone who does.

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And we should make it safe to go out at 5 AM, even if you were born with a vagina, or live as someone who does.
crime has been going on since according to my belief, someone3373 took an apple

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Drunk, you didn't address the content, because your mind never was sharp and now the years of alcohol have ruined what little was there.
Only a cretin would post they aren't placing any blame while they were placing blame in the very same sentence. That was the point. Okay, drunk?
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And we should make it safe to go out at 5 AM, even if you were born with a vagina, or live as someone who does.
Sure we "should make it safe", but the reality is we "haven't".

I am not sure how we actually can make it safe. But I am open to suggestions.
Evil will always be around us. How do you ferret it out? It seems for every one we put in prison, 3 more take his/her place.

Be safe, travel in packs or in public.

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crime has been going on since according to my belief, someone3373 took an apple
Was it a Mac, IIe, iPad, PowerPC or what?

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Sure we "should make it safe", but the reality is we "haven't".
I am not sure how we actually can make it safe. But I am open to suggestions.
Evil will always be around us. How do you ferret it out? It seems for every one we put in prison, 3 more take his/her place.
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While I would say execute the rapists, there are at least two problems with that approach. Sometimes non-rapists would get executed, and upping the ante that high may mean that the rapists would make sure they kill all their victims.

But to bring it back to the story, they need to make college campuses safer. I mainly mean the culture. So many campuses sweep it under the rug or let someone's position or value to the university cloud their judgement. "He can't be a rapist, see, he's a fine upstanding church member, tenured professor, great with youth, and a wonderful coach." Hey, that is the perfect cover to hide.

Of course, procedures, devices, and amenities can help. Some universities offer valet services. Plus there are guarded gates. Cutting a lot of the party atmosphere might help. Drunken parties are good for slipping into unnoticed, and if everyone is drunk they will not have as good judgment. If they want to jog around the campus, maybe the schools could construct an enclosed trail and station a guard at the entrance/exit. Phone boxes and panic buttons can be a help. They could have self-defense and survival classes too.

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I wish we lived in a perfect world, but we do not. I recommend having situational awareness, learn to use a firearm and carry concealed and perhaps pepperspray and a taser where legal. It is never right to rape, always heinous. Refuse to be a victim. The fastest growing segment of new shooters: women. True.
I myself, being a few thousand pounds of metal, avoid the neighborhood of "scrappers" who have blowtorches, electromagnets, winches and flatbed haulers, who eyeball me and lick their lips.
The sick twisted fck that did this probably watched her patterns, set up an ambush. I agree, campuses need to amp up prevention and security. The statistics for campus rape are very high, even though it is under reported. Just sayin'

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Was it a Mac, IIe, iPad, PowerPC or what?
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Sure we "should make it safe", but the reality is we "haven't".
I am not sure how we actually can make it safe. But I am open to suggestions.
Evil will always be around us. How do you ferret it out? It seems for every one we put in prison, 3 more take his/her place.
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I agree with you, as it isn't an ideal
world, nor has it been from the beginning of time..
so we must make the best of what we have and use common sense
where necessary..or live in a fools paradise.

I know we should all be able to run freely thru' the parks
[male/female] from dawn to dusk, alone..
but reality states otherwise...

same as.. one ought not feel the need to lock their car
or house at night,
but, the society we live in states otherwise.

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Even Obama highlighted the high incidence of rape on campuses. Of course his answer is to chastise all young men and to blame young women getting drunk, and that we need to all be disarmed of semi-automatic rifles since less than 2% of all violent crime is committed with any rifle and criminals will look at the new laws and obey them as they ignore the old laws. How about enforcing the current laws, use the DOJ and other mechanisms to prosecute these rapes instead of chasing made up crimes. Maybe stricter penalties for rapists and increase police presence around campus. Maybe let honest law abiding citizens carry concealed and protect themselves, a few rapists shot in the nuts or killed might discourage some would be attackers, especially repeat offenders. The media should investigate and publish a ranking of campuses.

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I wish we lived in a perfect world, but we do not. I recommend having situational awareness, learn to use a firearm and carry concealed and perhaps pepperspray and a taser where legal. It is never right to rape, always heinous. Refuse to be a victim. The fastest growing segment of new shooters: women. True.
I myself, being a few thousand pounds of metal, avoid the neighborhood of "scrappers" who have blowtorches, electromagnets, winches and flatbed haulers, who eyeball me and lick their lips.
The sick twisted fck that did this probably watched her patterns, set up an ambush. I agree, campuses need to amp up prevention and security. The statistics for campus rape are very high, even though it is under reported. Just sayin'
The under reporting thing connects to the culture problem I mentioned. Lots of underage drinking goes on at frat parties, so if anything happens there, it is unlikely anyone will tell. And the victims may be afraid of being expelled, and the attackers hold that over them. Then the ones who do report to the campus authorities either get dissuaded from pressing real charges, because it makes the school look bad, forbidden to go to the real police, or the school decides to "handle it internally". Handling it internally is just a slap on the wrist, and worse, it can set up the victim for retaliation. They are either bullied into leaving or committing suicide, or they are outright assaulted or killed. So I agree that most probably go unreported.

The attackers, if they are not students, may be creeps who choose to live right off-campus for easy access to victims, and they may try to blend with their surroundings. Probably anyone can go to the college bookstore and purchase a sweatshirt with the school's logo. They might get some books, maybe an iPod, and they might blend in. They might also have things that creeps might have on them, like cameras, recorders, notepads, etc. ID cards and stuff can be fairly easy to fake, or they might steal a real one and put their picture in it and maybe get in some doors they are not supposed to for a while.

Then some of the crimes are more crimes of opportunity. Lets say a brotha and his crew wants to score some drugs. They get to thinking about "rich White youth" and their advantages and decide to try to get onto a college campus for a kidnapping and robbery. Then they see it isn't going to be easy, and if they are going to go down for robbery, they might as well get a little "piece of action," and then figure if they will go down for rape, they might as well get a kill thrill too and make it worth their time.
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The under reporting thing connects to the culture problem I mentioned. Lots of underage drinking goes on at frat parties, so if anything happens there, it is unlikely anyone will tell. And the victims may be afraid of being expelled, and the attackers hold that over them. Then the ones who do report to the campus authorities either get dissuaded from pressing real charges, because it makes the school look bad, forbidden to go to the real police, or the school decides to "handle it internally". Handling it internally is just a slap on the wrist, and worse, it can set up the victim for retaliation. They are either bullied into leaving or committing suicide, or they are outright assaulted or killed. So I agree that most probably go unreported.
The attackers, if they are not students, may be creeps who choose to live right off-campus for easy access to victims, and they may try to blend with their surroundings. Probably anyone can go to the college bookstore and purchase a sweatshirt with the school's logo. They might get some books, maybe an iPod, and they might blend in. They might also have things that creeps might have on them, like cameras, recorders, notepads, etc. ID cards and stuff can be fairly easy to fake, or they might steal a real one and put their picture in it and maybe get in some doors they are not supposed to for a while.
Then some of the crimes are more crimes of opportunity. Lets say a brotha and his crew wants to score some drugs. They get to thinking about "rich White youth" and their advantages and decide to try to get onto a college campus for a kidnapping and robbery. Then they see it isn't going to be easy, and if they are going to go down for robbery, they might as well get a little "piece of action," and then figure if they will go down for rape, they might as well get a kill thrill too and make it worth their time.
Wow, you paint some pretty ugly pictures. Though I do not doubt any of your scenarios can happen.

I do have to wonder why anyone would worry about being expelled for reporting a rape.
If that were to happen the institution doing the expelling would be raked over the coals and people would demand heads roll at that university/college.

If the crime can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, I say hang em in a public square.
It is beyond time we make the punishment fit the crime. And rape affects one for life.
Kill someone, not accidentally, and your life should be forfeited.

As is, the system will turn a violent criminal loose much quicker than drug users.

There always seems to be plenty of blame to go around for the act, only one to blame if the crime isn't reported. In this story I can't find blame for the school. When a crime as this happens, to hell with the school, report it to the police immediately. Schools don't have the seasoned investigators and, as you say, leave anything out that would shine a bad light on the school.

Since we as a society can not stop these crimes from happening, it is up to us as individuals to be ever vigilant for own safety.

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Wow, you paint some pretty ugly pictures. Though I do not doubt any of your scenarios can happen.
I do have to wonder why anyone would worry about being expelled for reporting a rape.
If that were to happen the institution doing the expelling would be raked over the coals and people would demand heads roll at that university/college.
If the crime can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, I say hang em in a public square.
It is beyond time we make the punishment fit the crime. And rape affects one for life.
Kill someone, not accidentally, and your life should be forfeited.
As is, the system will turn a violent criminal loose much quicker than drug users.
There always seems to be plenty of blame to go around for the act, only one to blame if the crime isn't reported. In this story I can't find blame for the school. When a crime as this happens, to hell with the school, report it to the police immediately. Schools don't have the seasoned investigators and, as you say, leave anything out that would shine a bad light on the school.
Since we as a society can not stop these crimes from happening, it is up to us as individuals to be ever vigilant for own safety.
The expulsion fear would come from having done something wrong, like an 18-year-old breaking state law to get drunk, and may also run afoul of school policy. So it is not over the rape, but over things like being drunk, violating some curfew if there is one, etc. The attackers would choose victims who are doing something wrong to hold over them. Would someone report a crime if doing so would implement them in another one?(Though there was a case where a man accused of burglary confessed to a different burglary as their alibi to show they didn't commit the other one.)

Oh, reporting to the cops is not much better. They do their own victim-blaming thing too. But if it makes it to trial, then the other side will certainly pain her up to be very awful things and ruin her reputation. And what school would have her if she is big enough of a "trouble maker?" The press could get hold of school B for having a student who made a lot of "trouble" for school A. Nobody really wants a "snitch" around them.

And what you say about vigilance is a last resort stop gap measure, and often the only one we have.

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