Tibet Monks Disrupt Tour by Journalists

A group of monks disrupted a government-managed tour by foreign reporters to Tibet's capital on Thursday, screaming there was no religious freedom and that the Dalai Lama was not to blame for recent violence ...

[FWsouthsider]

Tibet is part of China... Communist China. I, like many others don't like that fact but it's a fact just the same.

On the other hand, Tibet was to be 'highly autonomous'. But Communist China has proven time and again that in areas it controls... it will basically do what it wants even if it takes crushing military force used within it's own borders.

Many Tibeten citizens have been unhappy with Chinese rule for years or even decades, and this is an opportune time for them to demonstrate to the world (or at least the world media) that they want pressure by other nations on China in order to bring change.

Communist China violated the terms of their agreement in Tibet no matter what else has happened. They're big enough and strong enough to let Tibet have the original freedoms agreed upon.

[CaptJack]

Commies will be commies

[Mohegan]

Tibet is NOT a part of China until the red army invaded in early 1950's. Free Tibet!

[Fan]

The solid truth are that:
1.Tibet is part of China 800 years ago
2. Dalai Lama accepted that Tibet is part of China at 1950
3.at 1959, When PRC goverment was going to change the salvery system in Tibe, Dalai Lama and those aristocratic are unhappy because they lost their benefits.Then they fled to india.
You can find them all on this pdf published by a research group supported by US congress
Plus the protest is not peaceful.
Please try to know China a bit more than add your comments

[sunshineor]

Fan wrote:

The solid truth are that:
1.Tibet is part of China 800 years ago
2. Dalai Lama accepted that Tibet is part of China at 1950
3.at 1959, When PRC goverment was going to change the salvery system in Tibe, Dalai Lama and those aristocratic are unhappy because they lost their benefits.Then they fled to india.
You can find them all on this pdf published by a research group supported by US congress
Plus the protest is not peaceful.
Please try to know China a bit more than add your comments

Fan,I am quite agree with you !
So please do not make the irresponsible comments if you are not clear about the fact.

[Traveller]

The Dalai Lama has recently been reported as saying that the Tibetans had been reduced to a minority "in his homeland".
The Han Chinese have taken over Tibet no doubt.
The Ukraine was lucky despite a very long Russian domination they got there independance Tibet did not get so lucky.

[CaptJack]

Traveller wrote:

The Dalai Lama has recently been reported as saying that the Tibetans had been reduced to a minority "in his homeland".
The Han Chinese have taken over Tibet no doubt.
The Ukraine was lucky despite a very long Russian domination they got there independance Tibet did not get so lucky.

Pretty soon they will all be relocated as in Mao's Cultural Revolution. Isn't this ethnic cleansing?

[Fan]

Traveller wrote:

The Dalai Lama has recently been reported as saying that the Tibetans had been reduced to a minority "in his homeland".
The Han Chinese have taken over Tibet no doubt.
The Ukraine was lucky despite a very long Russian domination they got there independance Tibet did not get so lucky.

The local indian lived in America for thousands years.Their land also unluckily became the territory of Canada and America. When will they get their land back?

Tibet is part of China. Saying Tibetan is a minority in China is the same as saying Irish people is a minority in UK. What is the problem?

Cultural revolution is far gone! Even in cultural revolution, there is no ethnic cleansing.

Please guys, show some respect to the history!

[CaptJack]

Fan wrote:

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The local indian lived in America for thousands years.Their land also unluckily became the territory of Canada and America.

Yes, that's it, Tibetans are just unlucky. Thanks Fan.

[Fan]

Not at all.

Tibet is part of China for 800 hundred years. United states took the land from local Indian people about 400 years ago.

Please give the land back to Indian people before you ask China to give Tibet back.

[Fan]

By the way,are we talking about the "unlucky"?
I am sorry I forget you, the Iraq people.

Please say "hi"to those USA soldiers who work very hard in Iraq.

[CaptJack]

Fan wrote:

Not at all.
Tibet is part of China for 800 hundred years. United states took the land from local Indian people about 400 years ago.
Please give the land back to Indian people before you ask China to give Tibet back.

By your statements you are admitting then that China is taking away land from Tibetans.

[Mohegan]

Fan wrote:

The solid truth are that:
1.Tibet is part of China 800 years ago
2. Dalai Lama accepted that Tibet is part of China at 1950
3.at 1959, When PRC goverment was going to change the salvery system in Tibe, Dalai Lama and those aristocratic are unhappy because they lost their benefits.Then they fled to india.
You can find them all on this pdf published by a research group supported by US congress
Plus the protest is not peaceful.
Please try to know China a bit more than add your comments

Tibetans have their own language, alphabets, and their own culture such as songs, writings, and most of all, a religion. You Chinese can't destroy their spirits as long as they have their religion, and the communists knows about it and you (people without any religion) never get it.

[Walter Eggars]

Tibet is and will remain a part of China whether the West likes it or not. Whether it was a part of China is no longer the point. I appreciate the debate but absent a violent invasion the Tibetans from outsiders they will never freedom from Communist rule. They simply don't have the military force to support their claims.

Killing the Han Chinese who have relocated there won't help the cause. The Chinese people are not like the Chinese government. Chinese citizens actually have a soul and they have big hearts. They are there to help. Many genuinely believe they are doing the right thing. They are teaches and small business owners looking for a better life. Just like many of the pioneers who helped settle the Western portion of the US.

If you know Communists you know that they are like Borg - resistance if futile and if you attempt to resist you will disappear into a grave or a re-education through labor camp.

I can't read the article because the communists have blocked it. However it seems the real issue should be that we encourage China not to do what we did to the Native Americans when we slaughtered them and took their land.

It is a difficult thing but we are asking the Communist Aethists to behave better than the Capitalists Christians. I don't know which is worse at this point.

[Faith Chinese Lutheran]

CaptJack wrote:

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By your statements you are admitting then that China is taking away land from Tibetans.

over 92% people living in Tibetan are Tibetans.
over 80% Tibet government officers are Tibetans.
There are 3.8 children per Tibetan family in China, higher than oversea Tibetans.
Do not change concept beteen China and people's republic of China.
Does the Tibetans have less human rights than other Chinese? You have to consider these things in the context of China.
Do you think Tibetan's live is better than before, or worse than before. How free and peaceful a slavery system could be 50 years ago?
Did China culture revolution hurt only Tibet , or all other part of China?
Even Nepel invade Tibet many times in the history. Tibet's neighbor, India, was not unified by british until 18 centry. Before that, there were so many horesmen keeps attacking Tibet. How could a natio with such a small poppulation can survive? Given that Tibet only had 1.4 million people before 1950s. Because Tibet was and is not independent. Because Tibet was and is the nature barrier for China's national defense. Thoses invasion from horsemen were defeated by Chinese troops every time in history. British tried to seperate Tibet from China in 18 centry, what they did? They went to China's central government to threat China to give up Tibet. 8th Dalai Lama also reject british. At that time, China was weak but still decleared to go for war if british seperated Tibet and put Tibet into India. Brish was a very strong contry, however, even the strongest nation has very weak abilty in some place of the world. Also no other western counties would support british because they got no benefit from this. In 19 centry, British wanted to seperate Tibet once again and even cut a small piece of land to india by threating an officer who was send to Tibet by central government. At that time, both 13 th Dala Lama and central government refuse to recognize the deal made between british and that officer. China and India went for a war in 1960s because of that land.

[Faith Chinese Lutheran]

CaptJack wrote:

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By your statements you are admitting then that China is taking away land from Tibetans.

If you care about Tibetans, would you mind to read a book named "CIA's secrete war in Tibet"? This might tell you a different story from what you know from the media. CIA's involvement in 1959's Tibet "uprising" is not secrete and you can find it in many sources. Also I would like to remind you that current 14th Dalai Lama used to be Associate Chair of PRC's congress before he fled away from Tibet. He maintained very good relation between central government and Tibetan's uprising group who was supported by CIA after 1956 as part of cold war and this is not serete (Korea war just finished at that time). He could not make his decision until a secrete bomb dropped to the house close to where he lived the night before he flee away. This makes China's government mad; therefore blame CIA forced and cheated Dalai Lama to go out of country. China’s primer, Zhou enlai, went to India invite him back but Dalai Lama finally decided to stay abroad.
What kind of Tibetans leads Tibet "uprising" in 1959? During 1950s, China's commie started Land revolution all over the country because 70% Chinese farmers did not have land. CCP force large landowners to give the land to other poor farmers. Basically every farmer has land from that time. Also I have to say many large landowners were killed too. In Tibet, things were even much worse.20% of Tibetan male were monks. Tibetan monks were not permitted to get married at that time. Women had to work pretty hard to support monks. Even worse, 90% Tibetans were slaves before 1950. Who hate CCP most? Monks with powder and Landowners who were also slave masters. These people were people who really want to uprise and they finally get support from CIA after Korea war. CIA stopped to support Tibet exile after 1970s when America and China needed each other to against Soviet Union. Man, Politics is always dirty. Dalai Lama is a spiritual Lead and he should go back to Tibet, but should stay away from it.

Plus, China has over 5 million Tibetan now. Half of them live in Tibet and half of them live in all over the country. They sure have better average life than Tibet's neighboring countries, Nepal, India. Tibet cannot become independent in past and now because its military and economy depend on other part of China.

Finally, do you know who made most destructive thing to Tibet's religion during land revolution and culture revolution? Tibet Commie and red guards:). Who specifically Rules Tibet now? Over 80% Tibet local officers are Tibetans and they are corrupt as other officers in other parts of China. Do you think they want to share the powder with Dalai Lama? Humans are all the same in nature. Only God is perfect. Dalai Lama and Pop are all human, but not Jesus.

[Liu Qingyong]

when people discuss the freedom for tibetan people, we should make a comparison of the lives of people before 195o and now. Any one with a normal heart should say tibetan life has improved rapidly.

as for the fact more and more people from other parts of China coming to Tibetan for development, that is a very natural social phenomenon, how the united states of America was established? without the large number people from all over the world coming to amerca, there would not have been the USA!

This is also an indication Tibet needs to be developed. Without the exchange between Tibet and other places of China, Tibet can not be developed so rapidly. Learning from each other, tibet can develop.

[CaptJack]

Wow, the pro red chinese propaganda is really making it hard to walk in here!

[Faith Chinese Lutheran]

CaptJack wrote:

Wow, the pro red chinese propaganda is really making it hard to walk in here!

Could you pls present some "useful" information here to support your claim except your "the pro red chinese propaganda" comments. Is this what you can inform us? Grow up!

[Traveller]

Useful info here Tibetan Rights and Writers.
http://www.englishpen.org/writersinprison/cam...