White Sox really could look young again

White Sox really could look young again

There are 58 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 27, 2008, titled White Sox really could look young again. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Is there any way we can leave open the possibility, small as many seem to think it is, that Ken Williams is correct? That maybe the White Sox will be pretty good in 2008? I know, insanity.

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Mike P

Saint Louis, MO

#23 Jan 28, 2008
I hope your're right. I want to believe your're right. You are right on one point for certain - we have to play the games.
Tony

Tampa, FL

#24 Jan 28, 2008
Here's a couple of more straws for the rotation: Sisco and Masset...
Joe C

Vernon Hills, IL

#25 Jan 28, 2008
Hey I got an Idea, maybe we should cancel all the games in the central and just have the Tigers and Indians play since all these haters are already crowning them champions. Get real, its baseball anything can happen. Sports is very unpredictable. who would of thought the Giants would be in the superbowl. Really??
No Neck in Left

Berkeley, IL

#26 Jan 28, 2008
Gotta give Kenny credit, he seems to always be in the thick of the battle. For everyone except George Bush and George Steinbrenner, there has to be a limit on how much, and Kenny seems to do a pretty good job figuring out when to hold and when to fold. Like my dear old dad used to say "Sometimes a bargain ain't a bargain."
Joe C

Vernon Hills, IL

#27 Jan 28, 2008
maybe we should all call up bud selieg and ask him to cancel the whitesox season since all you experts are crowning detroit and cleveland.
Patrick

United States

#28 Jan 28, 2008
Jim wrote:
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I agree with literally every single thing you said! I've actually said that very thing about Gavin Floyd.
I don't know if Rick noticed, but the Tigers improved, and the Indians are fast becoming THE team to beat in the AL Central. I also noticed that while Rick wanted to trot out Cabrera's age, why didn't he mention the very consistent, significantly younger starting pitcher that Williams gave away for a washed up 2-spot hitter (and I don't want to hear that garbage about how he's a "great fielder"; Royce Clayton was no savior either).
The only move I liked in the offseason was the acquisition of Swisher. I think that he can provide some of that light-heartedness and dedication to the game that seemed to be lacking on last year's team. But nonetheless, this isn't the same team.
Any team with Gavin Floyd in their starting rotation is grasping at straws. Perhaps Kenny can try to get his former golden goose, Todd Ritchie, to return to baseball. In case Kenny forgot over the last couple of years, strong pitching was as important as having an effective lead-off hitter in winning the 2005 World Series.
Yes it is truly amazing how no one is talking about pitching because they know it is too painful. Debating about Dye and Konerko returning to form is like complaining about the food on the Titanic...big picture people!!

And someone talking about the bullpen as a weakness? Give me a break, with our starters the bullpen is irrelevant.
Jerry Krause we need you

United States

#29 Jan 28, 2008
this team is built around konerko. He buckled under pressure because he is not the man. Move him. Leave Crede at third and put Fields at first. Posednic had the dynamic that fueled the 2005 team but even then he wasn't very healthy with Ozzie resting him constantly. Then williams changed the chemistry in the Rowand for slow-guy-cub-fan-thome deal letting Thomas go for nothing. Thomas and thome's numbers have been a toss-up for the past two years. Add williams' letting Ordonez go for nothing and constantly paying too much for carl everett, the alomar boys, etc. and you have a depleted farm system.
Jay Dubs

Buffalo Grove, IL

#30 Jan 28, 2008
I have to agree with Morrissey that the core players (Konerko, Dye, Pierzinski, Thome, Crede) will return to form if healthy. Baseball history shows that established players will bounce back to their previous level of play. The Sox were not nearly as bad as their record indicated last year. After the All Star break, the management committed to playing the Charlotte Knights (Richard, Owens, Gonzales, Fields, etc.) just to see what they had. The team erroneously got rid of Igushi and Mackowiac. We still have no second baseman. Without Garland, I am afraid we are one starter short. At least Kenny Williams addressed the biggest problem--relief pitching. Our middle relievers and setup men lost 21 games in June of last year.
Joe C

Vernon Hills, IL

#31 Jan 28, 2008
ok lets wait till spring training and the first couple of weeks before we crucify the starting pitching.
chico17

Eau Claire, WI

#32 Jan 28, 2008
From little league to MLB pitching has always been and obviously will continue to be the element that ultimately decides who wins and loses in most games. The White Sox will generally compete with Detroit and Cleveland and for that matter, the rest of the league. This lineup will rebound from bad season offensively,guaranteed. This team has something to prove to themselves first(because they have pride and are professional athletes) and to their peers and to their fans. Pitching is also (with some exceptions) the most unpredictable of positions in the game. Anybody who has ever genuinely pitched at a HS level or higher knows the routine: Some days and even whole seasons are a mystery: Bad or good days with no real explaination! Seasons the same way. If you are a pitcher or were one you know what I mean. The Central will be won on the mound. Sox are successful ultimately on the hill! I agree with Joe: Let's play the season and hope Don Cooper and the staff all have great years. You never know. Also: Which staffs STAY HEALTHY!
chico17

Eau Claire, WI

#33 Jan 28, 2008
I'm with you JoeC! GO SOX!
Finally

United States

#34 Jan 28, 2008
It's about time someone in the media is actually considering the fact that Kenny Williams might have done a decent job this off-season. The man has improved the Sox tremendously. He added a great shortstop (Orlando Cabrera), an extremely productive offensive player (Nick Swisher), an outfielder with a ton of potential (Carlos Quentin), two solid set-up relievers (Scott Linebrink and Octavio Dotel) and a utility player (Alexei Ramirez) and all he gave up were some prospects and Jon Garland, one of the most overrated pitchers in the American League. Nobody in their right mind would give Torii Hunter $75 million. And Aaron Rowand is one of the most overrated player in baseball. Swisher is younger than both of them, a better hitter than both of them and he's cheaper than both of them. If Williams should have been ripped, it should have been before the 2007 season when he did practically nothing to improve the team. This has been one of his best off-seasons since he became the GM.
Greg

United States

#35 Jan 28, 2008
Crede's a proven winner. That's why he shouldn't play for the Sox anymore. They should play Fields and trade Crede for two pitching prospects that you'll never hear from again until one shows up on the Cubs.
Ondafarm

Wheeling, IL

#36 Jan 28, 2008
Good article, Rick!!
Jumpin in Colo Spgs

Pueblo, CO

#37 Jan 28, 2008
Thanks for saying you would rather have Crede at 3rd base. I have been saying that all winter. Not only is he a gold glover but a clutch hitter. He's one of the guys I want up with runners on and 2 outs in the late innings. That ability seems to be under-appreciated.
Patrick

United States

#38 Jan 28, 2008
Finally wrote:
It's about time someone in the media is actually considering the fact that Kenny Williams might have done a decent job this off-season. The man has improved the Sox tremendously. He added a great shortstop (Orlando Cabrera), an extremely productive offensive player (Nick Swisher), an outfielder with a ton of potential (Carlos Quentin), two solid set-up relievers (Scott Linebrink and Octavio Dotel) and a utility player (Alexei Ramirez) and all he gave up were some prospects and Jon Garland, one of the most overrated pitchers in the American League. Nobody in their right mind would give Torii Hunter $75 million. And Aaron Rowand is one of the most overrated player in baseball. Swisher is younger than both of them, a better hitter than both of them and he's cheaper than both of them. If Williams should have been ripped, it should have been before the 2007 season when he did practically nothing to improve the team. This has been one of his best off-seasons since he became the GM.
Kenny I didn't know you were in Reno vacationing. Hey genius..Cabrera has 1 year left on his deal and you think KW is going to re-sign him for 8MM or more per? Of course not, that means we gave away Garland for a 1 yr rental in a year where we won't even compete. Oh Garland is overrated?? You are really going to miss 200 innings, 4.2 era in the best hitters park in the majors, in his prime and never injured. Yeah those guys are a dime a dozen.

I also love your argument about not spending money for Torii or Rowand. I'm so happy the Reinsdorf family and partners will be so much richer. Do you see them spending that money anywhere else? There is no cap in baseball.

Is there anyone that understands that Reinsdorf is running a larger version of the Florida Marlins or D-Rays? You guys are being fleeced and you're thanking KW for doing it.
rockymtn sox

Denver, CO

#40 Jan 28, 2008
BLAH BLAH BLAH LETS JUST PLAY THE SEASON
PERSONALLY i THINK THINK THEY WILL PLAY WELL AS A TEAM AND REBOUND THE PITCHING IS ALWAYS THE KEY NONE THE LESS SWISHER LOOKS LIKE THE KEY HE SHOULD MAKE IT FUN AGAIN
AND THEY WILL DEFINITELY HIT A TON OF BOMBS! MAYBE 250! AND WIN SOME GAMES 90-96 PERHAPS GO SOX
Jim

Buffalo Grove, IL

#41 Jan 28, 2008
Joe C wrote:
maybe we should all call up bud selieg and ask him to cancel the whitesox season since all you experts are crowning detroit and cleveland.
I'm a die hard Sox fan, but I'm not jaded. The fact is, how many years did we watch a power-hitter-oriented team threaten the division leader, but never actually overtake them? That's really what this team is. I'm hoping beyond hope that Jerry Owens comes into his own as a de facto lead-off hitter. I also hope that someone, be it Alexi Ramirez, Orlando Cabrera or whomever, steps into that #2 hitter role with even a degree of the effectiveness that Iguchi had. I'm not even one of those people hugely on the Torii Hunter bandwagon - he's another power hitter who's had reliability issues over the past couple of years.

The problem is, while the Tigers and Indians are demonstrably better teams than they were in the past, sending off Garland for what the Sox got in return, ignoring Iguchi on the market and not adding a legitimate arm to the starting rotation did not improve the team that we had. I think Danks may well be another Garland over time; it's not like Garland busted out of the gate a guaranteed Cy Young award winner, but relying on Gavin Floyd, whose MLB-worthiness is questionable IMO, and Contraras does not exactly instill confidence in their starting staff. And again, as 2005 showed, and as other championship teams have shown, success starts with a strong starting squad. We found out a few years ago that rotating people into that fifth spot is not exactly a formula for success.
Jim

Buffalo Grove, IL

#42 Jan 28, 2008
Side note: I read in "that other paper" that Brian Anderson is going to be traded to a National League team. Does anyone know if there's truth to that, or is it just wishful thinking?
Ron

Chicago, IL

#43 Jan 28, 2008
Jumpin in Colo Spgs wrote:
Thanks for saying you would rather have Crede at 3rd base. I have been saying that all winter. Not only is he a gold glover but a clutch hitter. He's one of the guys I want up with runners on and 2 outs in the late innings. That ability seems to be under-appreciated.
Perhaps if Crede hit like a third baseman instead of a bench shortstop in innings 1-6, the Sox wouldn't need that aspect of his game.

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