Floyd Landis calls pro cycling 'organ...

Floyd Landis calls pro cycling 'organized crime'

There are 174 comments on the KARE-TV Minneapolis story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Floyd Landis calls pro cycling 'organized crime'. In it, KARE-TV Minneapolis reports that:

Three years after his doping admission exposed the rampant performance-enhancing drug use of Lance Armstrong and other American pro cyclists, Floyd Landis will step back into the bicycle world this spring.

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My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#88 Mar 1, 2013
Gus wrote:
I think Regis le cycliste...is a poster from the early Landis days named Raymond.
And that hit my memory cells when he first showed up here as well.

Cheers
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#89 Mar 2, 2013
MOEPT...frankly, if cycling wants to repair their image, the RIGHT thing to do would be to get rid of the UCI out of the anti-doping testing, and have another independent body do the testing of samples. The TDF era between 1999-2005 should be left open, for the people, that do their research, in order to sequester the clean riders from the dirty riders, to lay their claim to whom should be the winner of those years of the TDF.

So...in Daniele Nardello's case, someone has indicated that Daniele Nardello was the highest cyclist that wasn't implicated in any drug doping scandal, and that was not found to have doped. When a rider has been nominated, and attempts to step up as a potential CLEAN and RESPECTABLE champion, during that time period during the TDF (and other riding events), from 1999-2005, that rider's samples should be rigorously tested AGAIN, to see if that cyclist WAS actually clean when they were riding. If all checks out, then this cyclist (or cyclists) should be crowned champions of this era, which would bring about a positive outlook for cycling, after all the dirt that has ben dumped on the sport. It will give other CLEAN cyclists confidence that they can be recognized for their training, hard work, dedication to the sport, and their ability to resist cheating and doping to win. Without this being done, I believe that cycling is doing itself a HUGE disservice, because the message cycling is saying, by wiping out all the results from the TDF, from 1999-2005, is that even if you are a clean cyclist, in the midst of a bunch of dirty, cheating riders, you STILL won't get your due, when the other cheaters are discovered. With the lack of punishment being dropped down on the cheating riders, the message being sent out there is that if you cheat, you can win enough money, that IF you get tripped up in a doping scandal, the punishment won't fit the crime, so, in essence, cheaters always prosper. And if you are a clean rider, you can't win if you are honest, and you can't be recognized for being a clean and honest rider IF a whole bunch of cheaters are caught in your sport. So, basically, if you are a clean rider, you are damned for riding a honest ride, in a crowd of juiced up waterheads, and you are dismissed as an insignificant rider, if a score of dirty riders are discovered in your sport!

Totally NOT fair towards the heroic riders in that era of 1999-2005! I think it is the responsibility of the public, and the sport of cycling, to pinpoint the CLEAN riders, and to award the TDF championships (and other international championships in that era), to the CLEAN champions! What do you think about that?
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes indeed BTS, I did forget your point and question about Daniele Nardello. My Apologies amigo! You would have to ask the ASO who own the TDF as to why they had left him out and went with the decision of keeping those years blank witout any winners.
I have seen the listings of all the top 5 riders for each of the blanked out years showing all too many riders who had also doped and it was some what bind boggling at best.
I can only guess that maybe the ASO wanted history recorded and seen that this was indeed a very black era in cycling.
I can see your point if you felt that Daniele Nardello should have been awarded the wins. But, how would he be feeling at this time in being awarded those wins with all of that garbage up front and that took place along with robing him and the other clean riders?
All the more reason that Pat McQuiad and company in UCI need to be physically removed permenantly. But, it has also been said that the individual most likely to replace Pat McQuaid wouldn't be any better.
I say get rid of the UCI entirely and allow each country to organize their own racing events, while coordinating with one another.
As for discussing politics, that isn't going to happen simply because this is a cycling forum.
Cheer All
Regis le cycliste

Cers, France

#90 Mar 3, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
J'essaye chaque fois quand je repond sur cette page pour parler la verite, Regis, mon ami!
I know, I know...my French NOW is HORRIBLE, compared to what it was before I met up with resistant, ignorant, redneck North Americans.
Now, I would be lucky if I don't have more than two mistakes in a sentence that I write in French! Damn stupid North Americans...couldn't they have simply cheated in French spelling bees instead?
S'il vous plait...pourriez-vous corriger mes erreurs en mes phrases, Regis?
Merci!
;)
My English is also sometimes lacking in clarity but I do try to keep my posts in English. Your remark about rednecks is interesting, although I am sure they are the minority. I am aged 26 and have been cycling since my school days. Bonne chance.
Regis le cycliste

Cers, France

#91 Mar 3, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
No argument there. You do the crime, you're going to eventually get caught.
Do you have any suggestions on how cycling can change this?
Cheers
A very good question! But my only thought is that Americans just made this problem worse! My reserch shows that the pricipal proven dopers in the past 12 years have been Americans. Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton and others?

Perhaps the American ideal of what sport is about should change. Is this possible? I do not know raymond. Did he post from France?
turtle

Huddersfield, UK

#92 Mar 3, 2013
such harmony and goodwill is so nice to see
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#93 Mar 3, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
And that hit my memory cells when he first showed up here as well.
Cheers
...he's 26,can't be Raymond,maybe his Grandson!:-)
In The Know

Mansfield, LA

#94 Mar 3, 2013
Regis le cycliste wrote:
<quoted text>
A very good question! But my only thought is that Americans just made this problem worse! My reserch shows that the pricipal proven dopers in the past 12 years have been Americans. Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton and others?
Perhaps the American ideal of what sport is about should change. Is this possible? I do not know raymond. Did he post from France?
If Landis and Armstrong did criminal actions then the sport of pro cycling is the God Father of the crime spree. You can not tell me that the powers that be in pro cycling did not have the same information about Armstrong for the seven years he dominated their little sport and when he made his comeback attempt. Fact is that when Armstrong no longer was of value to the organization they ALL OF A SUDDEN had the proof to show? Your little sport is the most dirty sport in the world and most people understand this. I am not an Armstrong fan, however, this belated attack on him by the criminals in charge of pro cycling is stupid and makes them look worse than Armstrong.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#95 Mar 3, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
MOEPT...frankly, if cycling wants to repair their image, the RIGHT thing to do would be to get rid of the UCI out of the anti-doping testing, and have another independent body do the testing of samples. The TDF era between 1999-2005 should be left open, for the people, that do their research, in order to sequester the clean riders from the dirty riders, to lay their claim to whom should be the winner of those years of the TDF.
So...in Daniele Nardello's case, someone has indicated that Daniele Nardello was the highest cyclist that wasn't implicated in any drug doping scandal, and that was not found to have doped. When a rider has been nominated, and attempts to step up as a potential CLEAN and RESPECTABLE champion, during that time period during the TDF (and other riding events), from 1999-2005, that rider's samples should be rigorously tested AGAIN, to see if that cyclist WAS actually clean when they were riding. If all checks out, then this cyclist (or cyclists) should be crowned champions of this era, which would bring about a positive outlook for cycling, after all the dirt that has ben dumped on the sport. It will give other CLEAN cyclists confidence that they can be recognized for their training, hard work, dedication to the sport, and their ability to resist cheating and doping to win. Without this being done, I believe that cycling is doing itself a HUGE disservice, because the message cycling is saying, by wiping out all the results from the TDF, from 1999-2005, is that even if you are a clean cyclist, in the midst of a bunch of dirty, cheating riders, you STILL won't get your due, when the other cheaters are discovered. With the lack of punishment being dropped down on the cheating riders, the message being sent out there is that if you cheat, you can win enough money, that IF you get tripped up in a doping scandal, the punishment won't fit the crime, so, in essence, cheaters always prosper. And if you are a clean rider, you can't win if you are honest, and you can't be recognized for being a clean and honest rider IF a whole bunch of cheaters are caught in your sport. So, basically, if you are a clean rider, you are damned for riding a honest ride, in a crowd of juiced up waterheads, and you are dismissed as an insignificant rider, if a score of dirty riders are discovered in your sport!
Totally NOT fair towards the heroic riders in that era of 1999-2005! I think it is the responsibility of the public, and the sport of cycling, to pinpoint the CLEAN riders, and to award the TDF championships (and other international championships in that era), to the CLEAN champions! What do you think about that?
<quoted text>
I cannot argue with your posting here my Northern brother. You make a very good argument all around.

I can only suggest that you ask the ASO who own the Tour de France and see what they provide you in feedback.

As for the UCI, I'd like to see all countries ban them, but I rather doubt that will happen when I no longer trust anyone in my own government and I sure as hell have no faith in the international side of sports, much less the national sides.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#96 Mar 3, 2013
Regis le cycliste wrote:
<quoted text>
My English is also sometimes lacking in clarity but I do try to keep my posts in English. Your remark about rednecks is interesting, although I am sure they are the minority. I am aged 26 and have been cycling since my school days. Bonne chance.
Do you have an older cycling relative by the name of "Raymond?"

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#97 Mar 3, 2013
In The Know wrote:
<quoted text>
If Landis and Armstrong did criminal actions then the sport of pro cycling is the God Father of the crime spree. You can not tell me that the powers that be in pro cycling did not have the same information about Armstrong for the seven years he dominated their little sport and when he made his comeback attempt. Fact is that when Armstrong no longer was of value to the organization they ALL OF A SUDDEN had the proof to show? Your little sport is the most dirty sport in the world and most people understand this. I am not an Armstrong fan, however, this belated attack on him by the criminals in charge of pro cycling is stupid and makes them look worse than Armstrong.
No dirtier then any of the US sports. At least we haven't had had legal or police reports of some male cyclist(s) beating the crap out of his wife like we've had out of the NFL. Let's also not forget just how great all of those NFL teams are about covering all of that up as well and all the steroid usage as too.

Cheers All Sports Fans
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#98 Mar 3, 2013
Regis le cycliste wrote:
<quoted text>
My English is also sometimes lacking in clarity but I do try to keep my posts in English. Your remark about rednecks is interesting, although I am sure they are the minority. I am aged 26 and have been cycling since my school days. Bonne chance.
Alors, mon ami...en votre phrase, ou vous disez

'I am aged 26...'

c'est plus acceptable si vous disez

'I am 26 years of age...'

ou

'I am 26...'

Il y a BEAUCOUP de 'rednecks' en Alberta, la ou je vivre, Regis! Ici, en la provence d'Alberta, les 'rednecks' son la majorite!!!

Votre Anglais est tres bon, pour un person ou Anglais n'est pas son premiere langue!

;)

SALUT!
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#99 Mar 3, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot argue with your posting here my Northern brother. You make a very good argument all around.
I can only suggest that you ask the ASO who own the Tour de France and see what they provide you in feedback.
As for the UCI, I'd like to see all countries ban them, but I rather doubt that will happen when I no longer trust anyone in my own government and I sure as hell have no faith in the international side of sports, much less the national sides.
Cheers
LMFAO!

Well, MOEPT, all I can hope for is that Jamaica qualifies for the World Cup of Football in Rio in 2014! Now THERE'S another sport that is shrouded in controversy, corruption, match fixing, drama (accentuated with the diving...oh, so graceful!), and the like. Could it be that cycling has now surpassed international football as the most corrupted sport in the international circuit of international sports???

Hmmmmm...
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#100 Mar 3, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
No dirtier then any of the US sports. At least we haven't had had legal or police reports of some male cyclist(s) beating the crap out of his wife like we've had out of the NFL. Let's also not forget just how great all of those NFL teams are about covering all of that up as well and all the steroid usage as too.
Cheers All Sports Fans
Maybe the cyclists are too busy doping to cheat, then doping some more to help them beat the anti-doping exams, that these cyclists have no life beyond doping...they would be like the guys that would pack into a crowded basement, full of other men, dressed up in nothing more than spandex and wife-beaters, in order to smoke grains of crystal meth FOR WEEKS at a time, while they have an attractive girlfriend, like Mila Kunis, crying her eyes out in the upstairs bedroom, because for these cyclists, being cooped up with fellow doping cyclists, that are sweaty, barely clothed, and stabbing juice in other cyclists's rear ends, while taking hits of E.P.O. through a bong (note that I'm being sarcastic here, for posters that just don't get my humour, and want to get technical) is more important to them than spending even one hour in the company of a beautiful woman!

NFL should be ashamed of how they handled the 'Spygate' debacle...Bill Belicheck should have NEVER been allowed to coach in the NFL, and the New England Patriots should have been stripped of their 3 Super Bowl victories, and those years should have been etched out as showing that there was NO winner in those years where New England clearly cheated, and New England's franchise should have been disbanded into the other 31 teams, and San Antonio should have been given permission to become the 32nd team in the league!

If you don't nip rule violations in the bud with SCATHING consequences, then what is to deter athletes from cheating again, or showing the public that even if you cheat once, and then get caught, and from then on you never cheat again, the consequence doesn't fit the crime, so you are STILL a Super Bowl champ...ain't the Patriots grand?

Oh...but we should stick to cycling, right MOEPT? I know...talking about cycling and Lance Armstrong, and his team of cheaters, can get boring at times...Alright, I'm out for now...

SALUT!
In The Know

Mansfield, LA

#101 Mar 4, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
No dirtier then any of the US sports. At least we haven't had had legal or police reports of some male cyclist(s) beating the crap out of his wife like we've had out of the NFL. Let's also not forget just how great all of those NFL teams are about covering all of that up as well and all the steroid usage as too.
Cheers All Sports Fans
Like many, your ability to understand what you read is somewhat limited. I stated that your little sport is dirty and you come back with examples of bad people in sports. My contention is that as long as Lance Armstrong was bringing money and interest in your little supposed sport that the powers that be cast a blind eye and deaf ear to the under current rumors about his use of drugs. Hell, they had over nine years between the time he DOMINATED your little sport and his comeback attempt and they did N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Funny thing is that right after he stopped being a money maker for them the powers that be suddenly got smarter and could connect the dots?

Face it, your little sport is the butt of many jokes across the world about a needle, an ass and a well placed shot.

It is also very obvious that your little supposed sport has taken a stance with an American Bias when it comes to proving that a rider is on the juice. I do not deny that Landis and Armstrong used, however, I do contend that your little dirty officials of your little dirty sport want to have a European dominated sport and the same blind eye and deaf ear that protected Armstrong for almost ten years is not in the protection business for European riders.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#102 Mar 4, 2013
In The Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Like many, your ability to understand what you read is somewhat limited. I stated that your little sport is dirty and you come back with examples of bad people in sports. My contention is that as long as Lance Armstrong was bringing money and interest in your little supposed sport that the powers that be cast a blind eye and deaf ear to the under current rumors about his use of drugs. Hell, they had over nine years between the time he DOMINATED your little sport and his comeback attempt and they did N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Funny thing is that right after he stopped being a money maker for them the powers that be suddenly got smarter and could connect the dots?
Face it, your little sport is the butt of many jokes across the world about a needle, an ass and a well placed shot.
It is also very obvious that your little supposed sport has taken a stance with an American Bias when it comes to proving that a rider is on the juice. I do not deny that Landis and Armstrong used, however, I do contend that your little dirty officials of your little dirty sport want to have a European dominated sport and the same blind eye and deaf ear that protected Armstrong for almost ten years is not in the protection business for European riders.
...albiet as you say a Dirty Little Sport,it still brings out Spectators and Supporters by Thousands upon Thousands each and every year,much more interesting than some of the other Crap out there!
Regis le cycliste

Cers, France

#103 Mar 4, 2013
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have an older cycling relative by the name of "Raymond?"
Cheers
No. He could be one of 5 million cycliste's in France. Sorry I cannot help you.
Regis le cycliste

Cers, France

#104 Mar 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
Alors, mon ami...en votre phrase, ou vous disez
'I am aged 26...'
c'est plus acceptable si vous disez
'I am 26 years of age...'
ou
'I am 26...'
Il y a BEAUCOUP de 'rednecks' en Alberta, la ou je vivre, Regis! Ici, en la provence d'Alberta, les 'rednecks' son la majorite!!!
Votre Anglais est tres bon, pour un person ou Anglais n'est pas son premiere langue!
;)
SALUT!
Merci mon ami, pour vos remarques gentilles.( Thank you my friend, for your kind remarks)
Regis le cycliste

Cers, France

#105 Mar 4, 2013
In The Know wrote:
<quoted text>
If Landis and Armstrong did criminal actions then the sport of pro cycling is the God Father of the crime spree. You can not tell me that the powers that be in pro cycling did not have the same information about Armstrong for the seven years he dominated their little sport and when he made his comeback attempt. Fact is that when Armstrong no longer was of value to the organization they ALL OF A SUDDEN had the proof to show? Your little sport is the most dirty sport in the world and most people understand this. I am not an Armstrong fan, however, this belated attack on him by the criminals in charge of pro cycling is stupid and makes them look worse than Armstrong.
I cannot agree. Nobody told Lance to cheat, he did it himself and therefor defrauded those who did not cheat. Fraud is a criminal offence in France. Floyd Landis also knows this.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#106 Mar 4, 2013
Regis le cycliste wrote:
<quoted text>
No. He could be one of 5 million cycliste's in France. Sorry I cannot help you.
En votre phrase au-dessus de mon reponse, vous doivez ecrire le mot "cyclists", pas "cycliste's", okay Regis?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#107 Mar 4, 2013
Regis le cycliste wrote:
<quoted text>
Merci mon ami, pour vos remarques gentilles.( Thank you my friend, for your kind remarks)
Avec plaisir, Regis!

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