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Did Chinese mariners reach Australia before the Europeans?

There are 105 comments on the The Washington Post story from Aug 12, 2014, titled Did Chinese mariners reach Australia before the Europeans?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

In Australia these days, China seems to shadow the antipodean nation's future. China's appetite for natural resources has reshaped Australia's economy , and the disruptive threat of its expanding navy has led Australian officials to approve the deployment of U.S. marines on Australian soil.

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Ban Big Vibrators

Greenacre, Australia

#42 Aug 12, 2014
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
you talk too much buddy
China’s Innovation Has Outstripped Its ‘Follow Fast’ g the example of the U.S. tech industry, it is now home to four of the world’s ten largest internet and technology companies ssion of its leaders are something to be taken seriously. The opportunity is certainly there — the market cap for China’s biggest Internet companies sits at more than $400 billion — the only thing that needs to change is foreign perception of Chinese innovation.
Whatever the stereotypes that have followed around the Chinese economy (fake iPhones, bootleg DVDs, rapidly produced imitations of every popular game on the App Store, etc), these are all background noise to the country’s actual world impact. Perceptions of China as a country that “follows the leader” have been blown out of proportion for a while, and now it is clear that the nation is an innovator that has in many ways defined markets like search, commerce, social, entertainment, and advertising. With surging growth and a huge untapped market both internally and in neighboring Asian countries, China is well positioned to continue innovating within technology and outside of it. The following are a few examples of how China is blazing new trails that the US hasn’t yet approached.
China Is Ahead on Mobile and Commerce
Mobile commerce users can manage their money, order taxis, and even invest in money market funds, all from their phones. In the US, these kinds of activities aren’t even close to as widespread on mobile.
Alibaba is the ecommerce giant of China, accounting for about 80 percent of China’s retail traffic. Just this month, soon before its potentially huge US IPO, it launched 11 Main, an invitation-only US retail website featuring a huge range of specialty items, from clothing to antiques to flashy bicycles, and one of the first China-led ecommerce plays in the US. And since adding mobile money market fund investment capabilities, Alipay, Alibaba’s third-party ht.
This type of success is pushing some analysts to believe that Alibaba’s market cap could soar to multiple of $100 billion by its IPO — this would place it in the top 5 on the US top 10 list, behind only Apple, Google, and Microsoft and ahead of IBM and Facebook. Clearly, they are the key example that innovation is streaming out of China.
Innovation in China Can Be Tough, But It’s Worth It
While it’s generally cheaper for companies to operate in China, both in terms of production and human capital, the actual software engineering and development is much harder. This is because China’s market has evolved much differently than the US did, moving more aggressively into mobile. As a result, China’s ecosystem and its users’ behavior are much more complex than that of the US. On top of the sheer volume of users, their maturity cycle makes for a much more difficult landscape. As a result, it’s generally the case that if you can build a successful product in China, expertly navigating challenges such as extreme localization, you can really build a product anywhere, although go-to-market strategies will differ geographically. That’s why innovating in China is doubly important — it strengthens a company’s ability to operate all over the world.
I'll be the judge of whether I talk too much. So far , it's your word cout which is maxing out.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#43 Aug 12, 2014
we can talk and talk... or we can do some research

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Let’s start with what we know about China’s ASAT capabilities today. And we know quite a bit.

Because there are few, if any, secrets in space. Amateurs around the world track most, if not all, of the classified US military satellites from their backyards, posting their positions on the internet. NORAD,is capable of tracking objects as small as four inches across. In fact, NORAD’s measurements of the debris caused by China’s January 2007 test were posted on the web. In the case of the Chinese test, the orbital tracks of that debris can be used to reveal the capabilities and limitations of China’s ASAT weapon by reconstructing the collision — much like forensic scientists reconstruct a crime scene.

By backtracking the debris to the point where they all converge, we can determine the two most important aspects of the Chinese ASAT: how China destroyed that satellite, and just how capable its satellite-killer really is.

The interception was almost head on at a combined speed of almost 18,000 miles per hour.

The pieces of debris wound up with the greatest speeds—much higher than the original satellite.

This means that China accomplished the most sophisticated of space maneuvers: a hit-to-kill interception, the equivalent of hitting a bullet with a bullet.

This is equivalent to what the US is TRYING to develop in its national missile defense system and is much more sophisticated than the ASAT the Soviet Union was working in the 1980s: little more than a space mine that slowly snuck up on its target and detonated near by.

We also know that the ASAT was highly maneuverable. Yes, the target satellite’s orbit was known well ahead of the interception. However, that does not mean that the satellite’s position was known well enough that the ASAT did not need to steer itself to hit the target. In fact, it is very likely that the interceptor needed to maneuver at high speeds, perhaps as much as six times the acceleration of gravity, to hit its target.

The orbital speed of the target satellite, which is determined by its altitude, also provides us with significant insight into the interceptor’s capability. The closing speed of the interception, which is a combination of the target satellite’s orbital speed and the speed of the interceptor, determines how much time is available to make final adjustments. For instance, just one second before the collision on January 11th, the interceptor and target were five miles apart. During that one second, the interceptor had to make any final adjustments to its trajectory to hit a target smaller than six feet across. Any decrease in the closing speed makes the attack that much easier. Since orbital speeds decrease with increasing altitudes, the Chinese interceptor would find it considerably easier to hit a target in higher orbit.

Finally, the interceptor needed to track its target, so that it could determine where it should move to place itself in front of the obsolete weather satellite; we have a good sense of how that was done, too. The most likely method it employed to track the oncoming satellite was an on-board telescope using visible light.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#44 Aug 12, 2014
I can keep going... but im going to let you open your mouth some more

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Bankrolled and bioengineered, China races to forefront of world’s paper industry

At a time when U.S. paper mills are already fighting off death from a digital world, China has become a sudden, potent adversary.

By John Schmid
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL

A worker at the Asia Pulp & Paper nursery center in Hainan province, China, tends to 3-month-old acacia trees. Government subsidies and bioengineering have helped turn China into the world’s biggest paper maker.

JIN JILING, China – In silent temperature-controlled labs in a desolate part of Hainan, China’s most tropical province, rows of women in medical masks and lab coats clone trees that grow freakishly fast.

The trees have official names, such as APP-22 or DH32-29.

But Wending Huang, chief forester in China for Asia Pulp & Paper (APP), calls them his “Yao Mings,” after the towering Chinese basketball star.

The tiny green tissue samples, methodically implanted in petri jars, will become hardwood eucalyptus trees that need only four to six years to reach full height, up to 90 feet or more.

“And then we harvest,” said Huang.

Each year, Huang’s labs clone 190 million ready-to-plant “cutlings,” which APP grows on 790,000 acres of managed timberland spread over eight Chinese provinces. The company cultivates fiber-rich hardwood as intensively as U.S. agribusinesses grow gene-optimized corn and wheat.

The “ test-tube” forests have helped undo the longstanding advantage of U.S. papermaking states, where hardwood trees are plentiful but can take up to 10 times as long to reach harvesting height.

What’s more, boosted by billions in government subsidies, China has been building massive new mills with automated machines that can produce a mile of glossy publishing-grade paper a minute.

At a time when U.S. paper mills were already fighting off a digital death, China has become a sudden, potent adversary — a threat even greater than the rise of laptops and the iPad.

China came to dominate the manufacturing of electronics hardware and touch-screen technologies by marrying cheap labor with sophisticated engineering and automation. It is able to adopt design changes and adjust to demand shifts virtually overnight.

In a move that has attracted far less attention, China has brought that same approach to paper.

Over the past decade, China tripled its paper production and in 2009 overtook the United States as the world’s biggest papermaker.

Paper is an exceedingly unlikely focus. After decimating its natural forest cover decades ago, China lacks a fundamental necessity for printing-quality paper: wood pulp.

So it created the industrial-scale plantations.

And it created the world’s biggest and most efficient recycling scheme. It now buys some 27 million tons of scrap paper and used cardboard from around the world each year, then de-inks and re-pulps it for about two-thirds of its own paper and cardboard production.

But that is still not enough for China’s needs or its ambition.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#45 Aug 12, 2014
this is my favourite one

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Chinese Physicists Smash Quantum Teleportation Record
BY WIRED UK 05.15.12 | 9:00 AM

By Mark Brown, Wired UK

A group of Chinese engineers have smashed the records for quantum teleportation, by creating a pair of entangled photons over a distance of almost 100 kilometers.

Quantum entanglement is the mysterious phenomenon where two particles become tightly intertwined and behave as one system — whether they are next to each other on a laboratory bench, or either sides of a galaxy.

If you examine one particle and measure a certain property — say, vertical polarization — then the other will instantly adopt the opposite property — in this case, horizontal polarization.

It’s crazy stuff. Albert Einstein described it as “spooky action at a distance,” when he was still struggling to get his brain around the ideas proposed by quantum theory. But it’s a powerful phenomenon, and one that physicists have long attempted to harness in the lab.

Trouble is, creating a pair of particles with any distance between them has always been a difficult hurdle to overcome. Imperfections in optic fiber glass, or air turbulence, means that the qubits become unentangled. Plus as the distance gets farther your beam gets wider, so photons simply miss their target.

Juan Yin at the University of Science and Technology of China in Shanghai claims to have cracked it. His team sent photons between two stations, separated by 97 km. Over a Chinese lake, to be precise. To pull off this feat, Yun and friends used a 1.3 Watt laser, and a clever optic steering technique to keep the beam precisely on target. With this setup, they were able to teleport more than 1,100 photons in four hours, over a distance of 97 kilometers.

The last quantum teleportation record was 16 km, and was set by a different set of Chinese researchers in 2010.

Using this mysterious phenomenon to teleport people and objects and kangaroos is a long ways off (and could remain exclusively in the domain of science fiction).

But quantum entanglement can also be used for the instantaneous swapping of information, and because the data doesn’t travel through space it can’t be snatched or intercepted while in transport — the ultimate form of encryption..
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#46 Aug 12, 2014
G'day mates

chat with you tommorow
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#47 Aug 13, 2014
okay just one last one before bed ... this one is really funny...

for all those folks talking Internet Microsoft and Apple

copying... well yeah Microsoft and Apple Copied but then they made it better

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America Is Letting China Steal Our Valuable Nuclear Innovations

Posted on March 14, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

The U.S. Is Letting China Steal Its Nuclear Innovations … Just Like Xerox Let Apple and Microsoft Steal Its Valuable Breakthroughs

Microsoft and Apple grew rich by using Xerox’s innovation.

Xerox’s research arm (called Xerox Parc) invented the “graphical user interface” used by all modern computers. Bill Gates famously admitted to Steve Jobs that both Microsoft and Apple had ripped of Xerox’s GUI.

Xerox could have made a fortune on its innovation. But it didn’t realize what it had … and failed to capitalize on its breakthroughs (Xerox tried to sue to protect its invention … but years too late, and the lawsuit was thrown out because Xerox had missed the deadline for suing).

The same dynamic is playing out in the nuclear industry.

Specifically, the U.S. created a safer, more efficient form of nuclear energy running on thorium. But – like Xerox Parc – America isn’t doing anything with its innovation, and China is running off with prize.

The Telegraph’s Ambrose Evans-Pritchard notes:

If China’s dash for thorium power succeeds, it will vastly alter the global energy landscape ….

China’s Academy of Sciences said it had chosen a “thorium-based molten salt reactor system”. The liquid fuel idea was pioneered by US physicists at Oak Ridge National Lab in the 1960s, but the US has long since dropped the ball. Further evidence of Barack `Obama’s “Sputnik moment”, you could say.

Chinese scientists claim that hazardous waste will be a thousand times less than with uranium. The system is inherently less prone to disaster.

“The reactor has an amazing safety feature,” said Kirk Sorensen, a former NASA engineer at Teledyne Brown and a thorium expert.

“If it begins to overheat, a little plug melts and the salts drain into a pan. There is no need for computers, or the sort of electrical pumps that were crippled by the tsunami. The reactor saves itself,” he said.

“They operate at atmospheric pressure so you don’t have the sort of hydrogen explosions we’ve seen in Japan. One of these reactors would have come through the tsunami just fine. There would have been no radiation release.”
Ban Big Vibrators

Greenacre, Australia

#48 Aug 13, 2014
This " resistance is futile" dog tells me I talk too much. So it's ok for him to cut and paste whole slabs and reply with an arguement to every comment, but I can't make more than one comment. This dog has had way more to say than me. What a hypercrite. Europeans were first, deal with it and stop trying to rewrite History.

I make one simple point. Europeans flew to the moon more than half a century before the Chinese did. Why? Because we had the capability and they didn't. When you think about it, this same point encompasses why Europeans settled the world by return sailing journeys and Asians didn't. Explain it away however you wish.
Ban Big Vibrators

Greenacre, Australia

#49 Aug 13, 2014
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
we can talk and talk... or we can do some research
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Let’s start with what we know about China’s ASAT capabilities today. And we know quite a bit.
Because there are few, if any, secrets in space. Amateurs around the world track most, if not all, of the classified US military satellites from their backyards, posting their positions on the internet. NORAD,is capable of tracking objects as small as four inches across. In fact, NORAD’s measurements of the debris caused by China’s January 2007 test were posted on the web. In the case of the Chinese test, the orbital tracks of that debris can be used to reveal the capabilities and limitations of China’s ASAT weapon by reconstructing the collision — much like forensic scientists reconstruct a crime scene.
By backtracking the debris to the point where they all converge, we can determine the two most important aspects of the Chinese ASAT: how China destroyed that satellite, and just how capable its satellite-killer really is.
The interception was almost head on at a combined speed of almost 18,000 miles per hour.
The pieces of debris wound up with the greatest speeds—much higher than the original satellite.
This means that China accomplished the most sophisticated of space maneuvers: a hit-to-kill interception, the equivalent of hitting a bullet with a bullet.
This is equivalent to what the US is TRYING to develop in its national missile defense system and is much more sophisticated than the ASAT the Soviet Union was working in the 1980s: little more than a space mine that slowly snuck up on its target and detonated near by.
We also know that the ASAT was highly maneuverable. Yes, the target satellite’s orbit was known well ahead of the interception. However, that does not mean that the satellite’s position was known well enough that the ASAT did not need to steer itself to hit the target. In fact, it is very likely that the interceptor needed to maneuver at high speeds, perhaps as much as six times the acceleration of gravity, to hit its target.
The orbital speed of the target satellite, which is determined by its altitude, also provides us with significant insight into the interceptor’s capability. The closing speed of the interception, which is a combination of the target satellite’s orbital speed and the speed of the interceptor, determines how much time is available to make final adjustments. For instance, just one second before the collision on January 11th, the interceptor and target were five miles apart. During that one second, the interceptor had to make any final adjustments to its trajectory to hit a target smaller than six feet across. Any decrease in the closing speed makes the attack that much easier. Since orbital speeds decrease with increasing altitudes, the Chinese interceptor would find it considerably easier to hit a target in higher orbit.
Finally, the interceptor needed to track its target, so that it could determine where it should move to place itself in front of the obsolete weather satellite; we have a good sense of how that was done, too. The most likely method it employed to track the oncoming satellite was an on-board telescope using visible light.
You mean you can alk and talk. Or you can open your eyes.
NASA

Melbourne, Australia

#50 Aug 13, 2014
Ban Big Vibrators wrote:
This " resistance is futile" dog tells me I talk too much. So it's ok for him to cut and paste whole slabs and reply with an arguement to every comment, but I can't make more than one comment. This dog has had way more to say than me. What a hypercrite. Europeans were first, deal with it and stop trying to rewrite History.
I make one simple point. Europeans flew to the moon more than half a century before the Chinese did. Why? Because we had the capability and they didn't. When you think about it, this same point encompasses why Europeans settled the world by return sailing journeys and Asians didn't. Explain it away however you wish.
Are you European born ?

Americans are not Europeans which are not always whites
In ancient warfares rockets were used as weapons in the far east introduced to Europe by invading mongols
Goats milk Australia

Greenacre, Australia

#51 Aug 13, 2014
NASA wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you European born ?
Americans are not Europeans which are not always whites
In ancient warfares rockets were used as weapons in the far east introduced to Europe by invading mongols
I'm Caucasoid by race, and born in Australia. What about you "Resistance is futile?"

Americans are from the UK and Western Europe by numbers. The UK is an Island Group of Western Europe.
Goats milk Australia

Greenacre, Australia

#52 Aug 13, 2014
The most significant inventions in our modern Era have been British, French and German.

Look at the surnames of American pioneers and inventors.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#54 Aug 13, 2014
Goats milk Australia wrote:
The most significant inventions in our modern Era have been British, French and German.
Look at the surnames of American pioneers and inventors.
China has been behind, it was already in decline when

8 Western Nations Attacked China in the 1830s

so they could continue feeding China Opium in return for her treasures...

that foreign control/influence continued until the 1940s when Japan just pushed the rest of the other Western Nations out of China

and finally 1950 when the Commies kicked out the U.S supported KMT

then you had the disastrous Great Leap Forward in the 1960s

and then the equally disastrous Cultural Revolution in the 1970s

30 years of growth after that...

and now you have Chinese taking the forefront in innovation...

all empires rise and fall...China has been lucky to see that rise and fall a few times in history

a country like the USA racking up trillions in debt and obligations each year.... well their great grandkids kids wont see that rise anytime soon...
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Native Chinese Supercomputer Could Be World's Most Efficient
The race for performance-per-watt is on

A new native Chinese supercomputer set to debut this summer might be the most efficient ever built. It won't be the fastest, but it sips power to perform terascale calculations, and it's all built in China.

Officials at China's Institute of Computing Technology recently announced a summer launch for the country's first wholly indigenous supercomputer, the Dawning 6000, which will achieve 300 teraflops using 3,000 1 GHz 8-core Godson (also known as Loongson) 3B chips. It's very efficient at 3.2 gigaflops per watt — or 128 gigaflops using the power of a typical light bulb.

This is possible because of the Godson chip's relatively low clock speed, at 1.0 GHz, and its use of the old-school 64-bit MIPS architecture, according to HPC Wire.

As computers grow ever more powerful, they also grow more power-hungry, requiring rooms full of cooling systems. So power-sipping supercomputers would be a major advancement. Technology Review predicts performance per watt will become the dominant supercomputer awesomeness metric.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#55 Aug 13, 2014
China Has the Fastest Supercomputer in the World — Again

Zipping along at 33.86 petaflops (quadrillions of calculations per second), China's Tianhe-2 is the world's fastest computer for the third year in a row, according to Top500, a twice yearly compilation of the fastest computers on Earth.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Richmond, Canada

#56 Aug 13, 2014
Goats milk Australia wrote:
The most significant inventions in our modern Era have been British, French and German.
Look at the surnames of American pioneers and inventors.
btw you are right about 1 thing...

there is 26 volumes on what the Chinese invented.... before it was later "Invented" in the west sometimes hundreds to thousand years later...

but you rarely see a Chinese person individually named for that invention

and really that is what it is all about you whites took the Chinese inventions... and made incremental innovations on them...

example...Chinese invented guns, cannons, rockets etc

your white kind made incremental innovations to them brought them back to China and used them to attack the Chinese

these days people complain the Chinese (to catch up) just steal western technology and make incremental innovations on them and make them better.

well isnt that what you whites did?
Missing Tooth

Altona, Australia

#57 Aug 13, 2014
Today when I went to the Dentist I was reading a Book on the Waiting Room call "How to become a Sniper".
Then an old man from the country of Bosnia he started to talk to me about a country call Yugoslavia that does not longer exist for 20 years on the Map.
He said to me that he was a Sniper in the Army and that the Muslim country of Saudi Arabia and Israel have been for years sending Muslims from other countries to take over other countries to make them Islamic countries.
Then he said that one day Saudi Arabia will PAY for Financing and Paying for everything to the Muslims from other countries that wants to take over the Western countries, Africa and the Middle East.
The old former Bosnia man that was a Sniper said that he has seen Christians countries been Falling over and over and has been taken over by Muslim of Islam.
It was really interesting to hear his life history specially when he said that China is behaving just like Islam and pretty soon this country of Australia will have to Fight against the Chinese.
He said "Don't be surprise if the Chinese they will use an Explorer call Marco Polo who's Ship passed between Australia and West Papua New Guinea, as an Excuse to take to take over Australia even if Marco Polo never landed in Australia.
Just because Marco Polo's ship passed like 200 Km from Australia the Chinese they think that they have a right to Claim this country of Australia as their own.
The Chinese all they have to do is place a Map of the country of Australia on their New Chinese Passport and that is all the taking over of Australia and then anyone from other countries that wants to come to Australia will be require to "Apply for a Chinese Visa" to enter Australia, just like the Chinese have taken over part of Africa, Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam territories.
I told the man that the Sniper Book that I was reading will help me shoot some of the 2400 Chinese's Spy on their Butts that came to Australia as a "Student Visa" to Spy on the children of Australians both in Primary School, High School, TAFE and University because the Chinese think that they can learn from them how their parents behave like those that are in the Australian Department of Defense, Police, Doctors, Emergencies.

China will have to WORK for their Meal if they wants to take over Australia because my Sniper Rifle will Rock & Roll those Chinese Invaders that wants to take Australia for themselves.
I will NEVER eat Chinese Fried Rice neither Bow nor Learn how to speak Chinese.
Is China Government 100% FAULT if the Chinese keeps Breeding millions of Chinese babies and there is not enough Water or Land to feed them all.
The Chinese Government should start Chopping the Balls or the Dicks of the Chinese addicted to Sex, that will help put a STOP to the Chinese from Breeding millions more babies.
Now, I am going to Polish my Sniper Rifle and shoot some Chinese on their Poodles to stop them from Breeding any more Chinese.

Three shots with the Anzio 20mm
http://youtu.be/7ft2j6J4NcY

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Kilda, Australia

#58 Aug 13, 2014
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
okay just one last one before bed ...
You serve as an enduring example of futility that is irresistible.

:)
UScitizenAbroad

Tolland, Australia

#59 Aug 13, 2014
Darn, the Borg has trashed another thread. :-)
INDIA SUPREMACY

Korea

#60 Aug 13, 2014
AUSTRALIA WAS FIRST VISITED by Chinese, they traded with aboriginals

white convict settlement came later

now is the indian settlement in australia
Hef

Belmont, Australia

#62 Aug 14, 2014
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
China Has the Fastest Supercomputer in the World — Again
Zipping along at 33.86 petaflops (quadrillions of calculations per second), China's Tianhe-2 is the world's fastest computer for the third year in a row, according to Top500, a twice yearly compilation of the fastest computers on Earth.
What does that achieve?
Hef

Belmont, Australia

#63 Aug 14, 2014
Overpopulation is the world's biggest environmental problem. There is not one environmental issue that could not be helped significantly if there were fewer people in the world.

We know who are the worlds most populous people, placing a massive burden on the environment. Control populations or the natural world will end up taking care of it for us.

Another Ebola?

Small pox, or maybe something much worse?

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