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[Kirby]

ilk wrote:

Wrong guy...D. Young should have been the one sent packing.

Wrong guy? Delmon is hated because he was the main player involved in the horrible Garza trade and Twins fans love to place blame. Delmon was a major reason the Twins surged into the playoffs, along with Cuddy and Orlando. It's tough to produce off the bench and in Gardie's doghouse. When Gardie finally gave him some at bats, he produced. He did bat .290 in 2008 and.284 in 2009, even though the media and some fans would lead you to believe otherwise.Gomez will never come close to being anything other than a bench warmer.

I'm not a Delmon fan, but he's a lot better than Gomez.

[Don in Venice]

Livin Woodbury wrote:

God news and bad news I guess

God news?? I used to live in Woodbury I know how you feel. lol.

[Flatblade]

Kirby wrote:

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Wrong guy? Delmon is hated because he was the main player involved in the horrible Garza trade and Twins fans love to place blame. Delmon was a major reason the Twins surged into the playoffs, along with Cuddy and Orlando. It's tough to produce off the bench and in Gardie's doghouse. When Gardie finally gave him some at bats, he produced. He did bat .290 in 2008 and.284 in 2009, even though the media and some fans would lead you to believe otherwise.Gomez will never come close to being anything other than a bench warmer.

I'm not a Delmon fan, but he's a lot better than Gomez.

Delmon is a corner OF, Gomez is a center fielder and a good one. For the two to be equal in value, Young has to outhit Gomez by a wide margin. Young did outhit Gomez and did hit well the last quarter of the regular season. Young's BA is irrelevent since he doesn't hit for enough power and is perhaps the least selective hitting in the majors, walking about once every 30 PAs. SABR fans will tell you that Gomez still had the higher win shares and was worth more. Milwaukee wouldn't have traded Hardy for Young, because they need a center fielder.

Nick Punto and Delmon Young will both likely be starting players for the Twins in '10. I am a fan of neither, but now that expectations are set appropriately low, I can live with them hitting at the bottom of the order.

[jcoleman37]

I can't believe Gomez or Young is even a discussion. The difference in numbers is rediculous. Also, don't forget Young lost a parent during this season, which no doubt hurt his numbers. Gomez showed very short glimpses, but has not and never will put it all together. The guy can't even steal a base in spite of his world class speed! In spite of the inflated expectations mostly due to the trade he was a part of (no fault of his own I might add), Young at least has a track record of some success. No doubt the Twins made the right move...and that's before even breaking down the steal of a trade Gomez/Hardy is for this team.

[what you talkin about]

Arrogant American wrote:

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Delmon Young hit .347 over the final 30 games, while driving in 20 runs. I would say that qualifies as a great finish.
Young is 24 years old, with a career average of .290 in four seasons.

the finish was batting against the major league level pitching of the Yankees , can you say .083 and swinging wildly at everything and striking out.... seems you are talking about the regular season finish when the Twinkies were going ALL out to win every game against the AA and AAA minor league call ups of the Royals ,Indians ,A's ,Blue Jays and White Sox.... all teams who were out of the play off picture and had already packed it in for the year .... basically spring training in the fall for those teams .... I go by the stats compiled throughout the year before all of the minor league call ups the last month .... OBVIOUSLY , batting against lower level players will pad your stats .... some of us are bright enough to figure that out

[TC Florida]

Young showed some glimpses of being a decent, serviceable OF at the MLB level. Perhaps a little better than that, though no Cuddyer. Still, he was better than Gomez especially since Span is the best CF and lead-off hitter the Twins have. Span is not perfect either of course, in that he is not that fast and doesn't steal a ton of bases. All that stated, Gardy might be careful in getting what he wished for: No depth in the outfield. Kubel can play the field occassionaly and does well, but his knees prevent him from playing our there often. So, Pridie is better off the bench than Gomez? Hmmmm.

[what you talkin about]

Sconny Twins Fan wrote:

I'm so tired of the know-nothing morons who rip Nick Punto. Here's a guy who does nothing but suck up every ball hit at him and play with heart AT ALL TIMES! That's not an easy thing to find...and now, with JJ in the lineup (who will have a bounce back year) Punto doesn't have to be a big producer. Even when he struggles to have a high average....he works the count and get on base. For God's sake, he had a .330 OBP even with a .220 average and his OBP was over .400 after September 1st. What more do you want from your DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST number 9 hitter?? And don't go off about his baserunning error against the Yankees. At least it came from having heart and aggressiveness. It's not like he cost them the series and they wouldn't have even been there without Punto's clutch play down the stretch. And this is coming from a guy who earlier in the season was wondering why they kept him around. He convinced me! Anyone who says he doesn't belong on a major league roster simply doesn't understand baseball.

maybe little Nicky should learn how to run the bases properly

[what you talkin about]

Arrogant American wrote:

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Delmon Young is only 24 and he has a .290 career average in four seasons. Young has the potential to hit 30 to 40 home runs a year. Why would you want to give up on him?

ummm , post before doing the drugs .... not after .... he doesn't even have 40 homers in his career much less doing it in one season

[Domeless in the cities]

I will miss his bag stealing cha cha cha.

[ilk]

Kirby wrote:

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Wrong guy? Delmon is hated because he was the main player involved in the horrible Garza trade and Twins fans love to place blame. Delmon was a major reason the Twins surged into the playoffs, along with Cuddy and Orlando. It's tough to produce off the bench and in Gardie's doghouse. When Gardie finally gave him some at bats, he produced. He did bat .290 in 2008 and.284 in 2009, even though the media and some fans would lead you to believe otherwise.Gomez will never come close to being anything other than a bench warmer.
I'm not a Delmon fan, but he's a lot better than Gomez.

Twins fans 'don't love to place blame' anymore than any other fans. That's just a stupid statement. Delmon is his own worst enemy. He can't field - even a crippled Kubel is a better fielder. He goes after balls like he's chasing chickens. He's slow and indecisive. He has a strong arm that doesn't come into play, because by the time he tracks down the ball the runner has likely already taken the extra base. The one tool(of the 5 tools) he does possess, is rendered useless given his lack of a defensive skill set. He doesn't hit for power and his average is hollow. He's a rally killer and the power numbers he does manage to get are picked up in non-clutch situations. He's a double play waiting to happen, swings at bad pitches and wont take walks - other than that, he's a brilliant at the plate. He's not a team player and has a bad attitude - he should be a boxer. He even charges his OWN TEAM MATES!

Gomez OTOH, needs discipline - both at the plate and on the bases. These things can be acquired. He tracks down flies in a way Delmon can only dream of. The excuse I ALWAYS get from Delmon backers is "he's only 24!". Well, use that same excuse for Gomez. Gomez is an exciting player with great speed - with more tools in the box than Delmon will ever have.

[Get rid of Smith]

Do we not do our research when we trade for guys? First Gomez and then Young. One can't steal a base or hit a curve ball and the other well, he just doesn't fit in. Smith is going to ruin this franchise.

[Gopher in SoCal]

Twins need a couple of more trades and ship out 3 to 5 players to obtain quality (esp pitchers) ... or yet another .500 type season.

[Arrogant American]

what you talkin about wrote:

<quoted text>ummm , post before doing the drugs .... not after .... he doesn't even have 40 homers in his career much less doing it in one season

Give him a chance. Mauer didn't have any power until he was 26. At Young's age, Mauer had only 28 career home runs.

[Arrogant American]

what you talkin about wrote:

<quoted text>the finish was batting against the major league level pitching of the Yankees , can you say .083 and swinging wildly at everything and striking out.... seems you are talking about the regular season finish when the Twinkies were going ALL out to win every game against the AA and AAA minor league call ups of the Royals ,Indians ,A's ,Blue Jays and White Sox.... all teams who were out of the play off picture and had already packed it in for the year .... basically spring training in the fall for those teams .... I go by the stats compiled throughout the year before all of the minor league call ups the last month .... OBVIOUSLY , batting against lower level players will pad your stats .... some of us are bright enough to figure that out

At the end of the season, the Tigers were playing the same teams as the Twins. Detroit finished 10-11, while the Twins finished 17-4. If the competition was so easy, why didn't the Tigers do better? For your information, September call-ups do not play against contending teams. To preserve the integrity of the game, managers always put their best lineups on the field against contending teams down the stretch. Some of us are bright enough to know this.

[Mike]

ilk wrote:

<quoted text>Twins fans 'don't love to place blame' anymore than any other fans. That's just a stupid statement. Delmon is his own worst enemy. He can't field - even a crippled Kubel is a better fielder. He goes after balls like he's chasing chickens. He's slow and indecisive. He has a strong arm that doesn't come into play, because by the time he tracks down the ball the runner has likely already taken the extra base. The one tool(of the 5 tools) he does possess, is rendered useless given his lack of a defensive skill set. He doesn't hit for power and his average is hollow. He's a rally killer and the power numbers he does manage to get are picked up in non-clutch situations. He's a double play waiting to happen, swings at bad pitches and wont take walks - other than that, he's a brilliant at the plate. He's not a team player and has a bad attitude - he should be a boxer. He even charges his OWN TEAM MATES!
Gomez OTOH, needs discipline - both at the plate and on the bases. These things can be acquired. He tracks down flies in a way Delmon can only dream of. The excuse I ALWAYS get from Delmon backers is "he's only 24!". Well, use that same excuse for Gomez. Gomez is an exciting player with great speed - with more tools in the box than Delmon will ever have.

The main difference between Gomez and Young is that Young is a major league player, like him or not, and Gomez is a AAA player, which is where he should have been to refine his skills. But the Twins felt the need to show something for the Santana trade, so they tried to let Gardy coach him up, which is tough to do at the top level not playing every day.

[what you talkin about]

Favrefield Newstadium wrote:

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What you talkin about. Care to step in the batter box and find out? I'm holding my pinky up......it has more of a clue about baseball then you ever will.

completely senseless .... guess that matches with your first post

[Arrogant American]

what you talkin about wrote:

<quoted text>the finish was batting against the major league level pitching of the Yankees , can you say .083 and swinging wildly at everything and striking out.

Morneau played 11 games in September and hit .077. The Twins were 4-7 in those 11 games. When Cuddyer replaced Morneau at first, it allowed Young to play every day. After Morneau left, the Twins went 17-4. Young hit .353 in those 21 games, while driving in 17.

[what you talkin about]

Arrogant American wrote:

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At the end of the season, the Tigers were playing the same teams as the Twins. Detroit finished 10-11, while the Twins finished 17-4. If the competition was so easy, why didn't the Tigers do better? For your information, September call-ups do not play against contending teams. To preserve the integrity of the game, managers always put their best lineups on the field against contending teams down the stretch. Some of us are bright enough to know this.

where in the world did I say anything about Detroit in my post .... what does Detroit's record over the final month have to do with Delmon Young hitting minor league pitching and you getting a boner over it ....Detroit as a team sucked ... the Twinkies sucked .... as in the extra game , each team would take turns making mistake after mistake .... they just happen to play in the worst division in baseball .... sorry to say minor league call ups do play against contenders .... just not a whole teams worth , to preserve the integrity of the game .... get it right.... go spank your Delmon .... come next September he'll be beating up the minor league call ups again .... MOST OF US ARE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO FIGURE THAT OUT

[Arrogant American]

what you talkin about wrote:

<quoted text>the finish was batting against the major league level pitching of the Yankees , can you say .083 and swinging wildly at everything and striking out.

If you want to judge a player's season by a three-game playoff series, I guess Punto had a pretty good season--as he batted .444 in the ALDS.

[what you talkin about]

Arrogant American wrote:

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Morneau played 11 games in September and hit .077. The Twins were 4-7 in those 11 games. When Cuddyer replaced Morneau at first, it allowed Young to play every day. After Morneau left, the Twins went 17-4. Young hit .353 in those 21 games, while driving in 17.

give it up fella .... for one Morneau was playing hurt before going on the shelf and every year he sucks the final month or so cause Gardy never gives him a game off here and there like the rest of the guys .... and the Twins won every game Morneau missed earlier in the year to .... maybe they should just trade him as they are better without him .... and again Young and the rest of the Twinkie hitters (Punto,Casilla,Tolbert,Cuddyer ,Span...etc)improved their stats against teams playing their minor league call ups ,teams that packed it in for the year and teams that didn't care as they were out of the play offs .... while the Twinkies were going all out against minimal talent and desire ... fall spring training basically