County curfew makes sense

County curfew makes sense

There are 10 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Feb 26, 2008, titled County curfew makes sense. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Reasonable people might disagree over whether night-time curfews are effective at preventing juvenile delinquency.

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DARK STAR

Tampa, FL

#1 Feb 27, 2008
This Is another thinly veiled example of the YDR saying,
let's all become one. I have a better idea, let's not.
Native Son

Harrisburg, PA

#2 Feb 27, 2008
Historically, the problem is not the intent of this type proposal but ususally problems occur with the administration of such proposals. Profiling and disparate treatment in the adminstration across this county will become an outboard issue if passed. There are more effectve ways to address the issue!
Robert

York, PA

#3 Feb 27, 2008
Okay then, please tell me how many times in a night I need to call 911 to get the teenagers who are skateboarding and screaming off my street? How many times does my car or property need to get vandelized? How many times are they allowed to wake-up my infant son?

I'm tired of deliquent parents who don't know where their children are and don't care. Why are children who don't have jobs out at night creating problems.

I know because nobody takes responsibility for their spawn. You created their lives, why not teach these teenagers how to be responsible adults. If parents got fines or put in jail for their teens getting into trouble, I can guarrantee that I wouldn't have a punk waking up my child at mid-night three times every week.
OLD COOT

Tampa, FL

#4 Feb 27, 2008
Right on Robert. Native Son (wouldn't make a pimple on a natives butt) knows all the answers. Whether it be on the streets, in the schools, society in general...it IS a complete breakdown in FAMILY VALUES. And please don't mention parentS, emphasis on the 'S'. Just break up because you had a little spat and let the kids grow up on their own. Historically, Native Son, this was not the problem when I was growing up. Just stay in your TEA-PEE.
Dank

Dallas, PA

#5 Feb 27, 2008
Why stop at 11? Growing up If you were under 18 and not specifically coming home from Work you were not allowed out past 10. If you got caught your parents were called and made to pick you up or they would detain you until next mornings curfew lift with a fine.
Man in Black

Silver Spring, MD

#6 Feb 27, 2008
Dank wrote:
Why stop at 11? Growing up If you were under 18 and not specifically coming home from Work you were not allowed out past 10. If you got caught your parents were called and made to pick you up or they would detain you until next mornings curfew lift with a fine.
last year in york they picked up loads of kids in a curfew sweep. Some parents didn't pick up the kids until morning!!!
I will say it again NO GOOD comes from kids being out on the street unsupervised after 11pm.
What did that college coach say a little while ago....something like "nothing good happens in a bar/club after midnight" Same thing here nothing good will happen.
Anita

AOL

#7 Mar 1, 2008
Robert, there already ARE curfews on the books of most municipalities in York county (nighttime curfews). If you are calling for help, and none arrives, what does that say about the curfew law in Dover? Putting more laws on the books that are not enforced only diminishes the concept of law. Then it becomes an issue of "Which law do we enforce?" Do we want individual officers to make this decision on a daily basis? You are absolutely right about the parental issue - we need to, as a society, SUPPORT parents. What does that mean? It means educating PARENTS as well as children. Parents need help knowing how to parent - it is not instinctive.
Anita

AOL

#8 Mar 1, 2008
And btw, "reasonable people" don't have to agree or disagree about the efficacy of curfews. THere is research that curfews DON'T work. No guessing or conjecture needed. Do a web search and evaluate the peer reviewed, scholarly research on the lack of impact curfews make on arrests, crime in general, and calls for service (911 calls).
Man in Black

Dillsburg, PA

#9 Mar 1, 2008
Anita wrote:
And btw, "reasonable people" don't have to agree or disagree about the efficacy of curfews. THere is research that curfews DON'T work. No guessing or conjecture needed. Do a web search and evaluate the peer reviewed, scholarly research on the lack of impact curfews make on arrests, crime in general, and calls for service (911 calls).
did a search and found just as many reports of curfew working. guess it depends on how it is enforced. like all laws if it is not properly enforced it will not get the results desired. in our area the 12pm curfew works because we can get enforcement. What they are trying to do is get the WHOLE county to have the same time for curfew.
Anita

AOL

#10 Mar 1, 2008
Reports are not the same thing as controlled, peer-reviewed scholarly research. Police departments may "report" something, but they don't talk about their methodology, nor their rationale for the statistical procedures they employ. Also, it's important to look at what outcomes they are reporting on. For instance, I am interested in reducing overall crime, reducing arrests, and in fewer instances of violent crime and robbery. These indices are not impacted with curfews. When a community says "curfews here work," they typically mean to say, "we do regular curfew roundups and catch 60 or 70 curfew violators. Therefore, curfews work to catch those breaking curfews." Circular logic, and you would ASSUME there would be commesurate decrease in crime. But there isn't. Look at the blog www.monitoryorkpa.blogspot.com and I link to research that is very illustrative and relevant.

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