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Martin wrote: <quoted text>You're defense that she feels sorry now that she was caught doesn't mean anything. Watch the video and tell me your little angel isn't in need of some serious punishment for her actions. She tries this as an adult for any reason "gay fear" or not she will go to prison. First of all, the gal that I know I never called her an angel.As a matter of fact I do not know one child or adult that is an angel. Maybe you are the first??? Also, noone said that she feels sorry that she was caught, not even the media. Those are your words only. Plus, the video shows both girls, one in particular. You do not even know what girl that I know. Also, your last statement if she tried this as an adult she will go to prison. You do not know much about the justice system with a comment like that. also, she is not an adult, not even close. So, this is children making mistakes and learning from them. So, you may think you have all the answers in life and this situation, you arent even close.Furthermore, the defense has never even been discussed on this forum or the news. The girl that I know is taking responsibility for her bad choice. She will have natural consequences to her irresponsible behavior. End of story!!!!!!!!!!
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Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote: <quoted text>Progressives tend to be Socialists in nature. They believe that the state is the answer to fix and manage society. Individuals are to work for the benefit of the state. Mussolini and Hitler were big proponents of National Socialists. Progressives tend to have fascist tendencies. Okay, now it is coming together. still sounds fancy!! You sound very educated in the world. I am qyite certain that the girl that I know never thought about this at the level in which you are discussing.
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>Okay, now it is coming together. still sounds fancy!! You sound very educated in the world. I am qyite certain that the girl that I know never thought about this at the level in which you are discussing. Not at that age. It's all about them. They will grow up and survive it though.
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Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote: <quoted text>Not at that age. It's all about them. They will grow up and survive it though. You must have had or have teenagers. It is all about them. As a matter of fact clinically speaking adolescents brains go through alot of changes from around 15 to maybe 25. So, they are not capable of looking at the world ahead of the moment. Clinically speaking they tend to very emotional and impulsive. ect... I am really sick of people on these forums ripping apart the parents so much of the time not even knowing them. The gal that I know has a great mom that has spent alot of time raising her to make the right chlices and it is the childs final decision. This whole thing is ridiculous and I am wishing that all of the school fights ect.. were as public as this one so maybe people would understand that this is everywhere. Not that it make it right. But they are making this girl I know out to be a vicious, hopeless individual that needs the book thrown at them. What if it was someone they know and love??? What then???
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>First of all, the gal that I know I never called her an angel.As a matter of fact I do not know one child or adult that is an angel. Maybe you are the first??? Also, noone said that she feels sorry that she was caught, not even the media. Those are your words only. Plus, the video shows both girls, one in particular. You do not even know what girl that I know. Also, your last statement if she tried this as an adult she will go to prison. You do not know much about the justice system with a comment like that. also, she is not an adult, not even close. So, this is children making mistakes and learning from them. So, you may think you have all the answers in life and this situation, you arent even close.Furthermore, the defense has never even been discussed on this forum or the news. The girl that I know is taking responsibility for her bad choice. She will have natural consequences to her irresponsible behavior. End of story!!!!!!!!!! My post said now that she is caught she feels remorse not that she was sorry she was caught. I referred to her as an "angel" sarcastically since you have done nothing but defend her since you have joined the discussion and I felt it was sickening the way you minimize the victim and continually support the attackers. And as to my comment about going to prison as an adult, you are letting your emotions run away with you since any sane person is aware that assault is a crime and as such can lead to prison, especially if you solve all your emotional conflicts this way. Most teens I know understand the principal of consequences and yet you insist some mental block from 15 to 25 deletes this from their brain? You refuse logic and substitute your own bias in an effort to suppport your point of view. Shame on you. The victim deserves more than your scorn and the implication she had it coming.
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Martin wrote: <quoted text>My post said now that she is caught she feels remorse not that she was sorry she was caught. I referred to her as an "angel" sarcastically since you have done nothing but defend her since you have joined the discussion and I felt it was sickening the way you minimize the victim and continually support the attackers. And as to my comment about going to prison as an adult, you are letting your emotions run away with you since any sane person is aware that assault is a crime and as such can lead to prison, especially if you solve all your emotional conflicts this way. Most teens I know understand the principal of consequences and yet you insist some mental block from 15 to 25 deletes this from their brain? You refuse logic and substitute your own bias in an effort to suppport your point of view. Shame on you. The victim deserves more than your scorn and the implication she had it coming. I never said that between 15-25 there is a mental block!!!! There is alot of changes that occur in the brain at that time as it develops. Pick up any medical book and read about it. I am not saying that it makes events like this or worse okay. But, it is another factor in achilds way of processing. things different as adults.Also, I have never stated that the victim had it coming. I do not beleive anyone deserves to get hit for anything. but, guess what??? Fights happen all the time. And, for the record again, the victim is a known bully and even went as far as to instigate the fight the day before. I know the situation, and all involved. I am bias in this situation b/c I know the facts that are involved.I have no hard feeling to the victim. I do not agree that it should have went this far at all. I am not supporting the attackers, I am supporting one of the girls involved. As I said before, I am not in favor of what choice she made, but if you knew her, you would understand that the incident was very out of character. She does feel remorse, as a matter of fact it hit her during the incident and she backed off immediately. So, in conclusion, children at this age cannot possibly understand the consequences of their actions as a well adjusted adult can.What if this was your sister, bestfreind, daughter or favorite cousin???? Would you be bias??? Or a heartless person that cant get past you are too good to ever have made a mistake like this in your life????What if was your own child???? Think about that one????
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>I never said that between 15-25 there is a mental block!!!! There is alot of changes that occur in the brain at that time as it develops. Pick up any medical book and read about it. I am not saying that it makes events like this or worse okay. But, it is another factor in achilds way of processing. things different as adults.Also, I have never stated that the victim had it coming. I do not beleive anyone deserves to get hit for anything. but, guess what??? Fights happen all the time. And, for the record again, the victim is a known bully and even went as far as to instigate the fight the day before. I know the situation, and all involved. I am bias in this situation b/c I know the facts that are involved.I have no hard feeling to the victim. I do not agree that it should have went this far at all. I am not supporting the attackers, I am supporting one of the girls involved. As I said before, I am not in favor of what choice she made, but if you knew her, you would understand that the incident was very out of character. She does feel remorse, as a matter of fact it hit her during the incident and she backed off immediately. So, in conclusion, children at this age cannot possibly understand the consequences of their actions as a well adjusted adult can.What if this was your sister, bestfreind, daughter or favorite cousin???? Would you be bias??? Or a heartless person that cant get past you are too good to ever have made a mistake like this in your life????What if was your own child???? Think about that one???? Try "What if it was your child being beaten?". Saying kids don't understand consequences is wrong. She is not a 2 year old. You exclude the possiblilty that I did make mistakes and I learned from the consequences. I have 3 teenagers and having them get jumped at school isn't a pleasant experience. I would hope she gets the maximum I don't believe for a second it wasn't planned, last day of school attacking from behind and let's not forget the recording.
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Martin wrote: <quoted text>Try "What if it was your child being beaten?". Saying kids don't understand consequences is wrong. She is not a 2 year old. You exclude the possiblilty that I did make mistakes and I learned from the consequences. I have 3 teenagers and having them get jumped at school isn't a pleasant experience. I would hope she gets the maximum I don't believe for a second it wasn't planned, last day of school attacking from behind and let's not forget the recording. I remember being jumped in school once. It did not turn out the way the jumpers expected. Never got jumped again. No one was thinking of the consequences at that time either. Teens just do not always possess the smart gene at that time.
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Martin wrote: <quoted text>Try "What if it was your child being beaten?". Saying kids don't understand consequences is wrong. She is not a 2 year old. You exclude the possiblilty that I did make mistakes and I learned from the consequences. I have 3 teenagers and having them get jumped at school isn't a pleasant experience. I would hope she gets the maximum I don't believe for a second it wasn't planned, last day of school attacking from behind and let's not forget the recording. This is the last post of yours that I will respond to because you are a waste of my time b/c you have a very shallow thinking process. The type that I deal with being in the mentalhealth feild. Wow, all three of your teenagers got jumped in school?? What are the odds of that??I once again know all of the facts in this situation, and you however are talking out of the whatever knowledge you seem to think that you have. What if my child was attaked??? I may ask them what part in this incident did you have to let this situation get to this outcome??? No, this girl isnt 2?? I am quite sure she is potty trained and knows her ABCs. What do you think is the maximum???? What measures are you taking to determine the outcome. Do you even know what all comes into play when things are being determined in the justice system. Based on your lack of insight of understanding teens, I wish your teens the best. I am so happy for you that you can own up to making mistakes and even learning from them.We are all very proud of you. I too hope that the girl I know is as lucky as you are to learn from her mistakes. Once and for all, it wasnt planned, and she had no idea it was being recorded. Ask the girls that are involved, they will tell you the facts. You obviously have no ties to anyone involved or your comments wouldnt be so ridiculous .
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Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote: <quoted text> I remember being jumped in school once. It did not turn out the way the jumpers expected. Never got jumped again. No one was thinking of the consequences at that time either. Teens just do not always possess the smart gene at that time. Good story. I guess you acted with the gene that was approriate at the time huh??? LOL I am gald there are people in the world like you that have open minds and are down to earth and understand life and take it as it comes. Your children were lucky.
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>This is the last post of yours that I will respond to because you are a waste of my time b/c you have a very shallow thinking process. The type that I deal with being in the mentalhealth feild. Wow, all three of your teenagers got jumped in school?? What are the odds of that??I once again know all of the facts in this situation, and you however are talking out of the whatever knowledge you seem to think that you have. What if my child was attaked??? I may ask them what part in this incident did you have to let this situation get to this outcome??? No, this girl isnt 2?? I am quite sure she is potty trained and knows her ABCs. What do you think is the maximum???? What measures are you taking to determine the outcome. Do you even know what all comes into play when things are being determined in the justice system. Based on your lack of insight of understanding teens, I wish your teens the best. I am so happy for you that you can own up to making mistakes and even learning from them.We are all very proud of you. I too hope that the girl I know is as lucky as you are to learn from her mistakes. Once and for all, it wasnt planned, and she had no idea it was being recorded. Ask the girls that are involved, they will tell you the facts. You obviously have no ties to anyone involved or your comments wouldnt be so ridiculous . What is ridiculous is your blaming of the victim once again. Are you implying a rape victim has any control over the situation??? My teens did not all get jumped and, as a matter of fact, they are quite popular in school. My kids know the girls involved. The point of bringing them up is that all three know if they settle things with their hands it doesn't really solve anything. As you deny logic and continue to blame the victim I can see why you would refuse to respond to my posts. I myself grew up in a bad section of Grand Rapids where getting jumped was, and still is, a way of life for many people. The victims are young and old, many attacked for nothing more than the few dollars they have in their pocket to buy milk at the corner store or because they walked in an alleyway at night. Did these people deserve it? Were they "askin for it" or do the people who disregard the consequences, in a selfish and self serving attack, need to be held responsible at a young age so they don't grow into hardened criminals? Ask any criminal and they will tell you what you want to hear and how it wasn't their fault. People who lay their hands on others, as adults, do go to prison. Being in the mental health field should give you insight as to how young people need boundries and also need to understand that crossing those boundries carries a stiff punishment not a slap on the wrist. If you do choose to respond, please read my post and understand it before trying to insult me or bully me into your point of view.
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Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote: <quoted text> I remember being jumped in school once. It did not turn out the way the jumpers expected. Never got jumped again. No one was thinking of the consequences at that time either. Teens just do not always possess the smart gene at that time. I couldn't agree more. One of my best friends was involved in a fight that resulted in his death from a blow the attacker never thought would seriously hurt him much less kill. The fact the attacker didn't think of that consequence doesn't make him any less dead.
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Martin wrote: <quoted text>What is ridiculous is your blaming of the victim once again. Are you implying a rape victim has any control over the situation??? My teens did not all get jumped and, as a matter of fact, they are quite popular in school. My kids know the girls involved. The point of bringing them up is that all three know if they settle things with their hands it doesn't really solve anything. As you deny logic and continue to blame the victim I can see why you would refuse to respond to my posts. I myself grew up in a bad section of Grand Rapids where getting jumped was, and still is, a way of life for many people. The victims are young and old, many attacked for nothing more than the few dollars they have in their pocket to buy milk at the corner store or because they walked in an alleyway at night. Did these people deserve it? Were they "askin for it" or do the people who disregard the consequences, in a selfish and self serving attack, need to be held responsible at a young age so they don't grow into hardened criminals? Ask any criminal and they will tell you what you want to hear and how it wasn't their fault. People who lay their hands on others, as adults, do go to prison. Being in the mental health field should give you insight as to how young people need boundries and also need to understand that crossing those boundries carries a stiff punishment not a slap on the wrist. If you do choose to respond, please read my post and understand it before trying to insult me or bully me into your point of view. Help me understand what makes all of your children popular?? What is popular in your way of thiking????
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>Help me understand what makes all of your children popular?? What is popular in your way of thiking???? I believe if you count up the posts that support your view and those you have argued with and insulted you will have your answer. As to why they are popular, it is something I don't think you can or will understand unless it supports your way of thinking.
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By the way their is a new forum I believe it's connected to M-live regarding this attack you may want to check it out.
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INFORMED wrote: <quoted text>I am quite certain the the girl and mom that I know very well are not the ones that were laughing about it. The girl that I know has a great mother, good family, and the girl feels remorse.The one that was laughing about it moved out of the district??The girl that I know has stayed and stood up to everything that is coming her way. It hasnt been easy, but it is what her mom expects her to do. The media just wont give up More crap today about the triangle association. This had nothing to do with the girls sexual orientation from the girl that I know. This whole thing is so screwed up!!! Now I understand why you and I have not understood each other in previous posts. I know the girl who moved out of the school district and you obviously know the other one. I am very concerned for the girl who moved because I know about her situation at home. Try growing up in a home where you see your mother pathologically lie and hurt people in the process, without remorse. Try seeing your mother use and manipulate people all for her own gain. Try seeing your mother think nothing of backhanding you and your siblings. Try seeing your mothers way of problem resolution is to dial 911. Look in the dictionary under sociopath and it describes this childs mother. Oh, there's so much more.... What do you get from a child that has grown up with a parent like this?? Again, I am not excusing her actions. But I now understand why you and I have had such strong differing opinions.:-)
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Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote: <quoted text>If someone gets assaulted, they are usually hated by the perp. Incorrect. Assaults can be due to episodes of rage, robbery, any number of reasons. Hatred is only one possible motive.
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