IPS teachers to impliment work slowdown

IPS teachers to impliment work slowdown

There are 230 comments on the WISH-TV 8 Indiana News story from Jan 26, 2009, titled IPS teachers to impliment work slowdown. In it, WISH-TV 8 Indiana News reports that:

Many Indianapolis Public School teachers are staging a work slowdown for two weeks.

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intervene

Carmel, IN

#24 Jan 27, 2009
Sown Oats wrote:
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Very entertaining to see all the hand-wringing,****, and discord among those who belong to a union, while currently enjoying protections & benefits above & beyond the majority of workers.
But they NEVER seem to want to exercise their right to look for another line of work.
I really FEEL for them, don't you?
Unions are for people whom wish to have representation good pay and the ability to take there family to doctors without using there mortgage payment. If the majority of workers would join unions than these evil benefits your so against would be enjoyed by all those whom wish to live a better life rather than sponge off government as you probably do.
Greedy whiners

Dayton, OH

#25 Jan 27, 2009
The fact that these teachers don't have a contract is not because they haven't been offered one. They just keep turning down everything offered to them. They get up on their soapboxes and claim its all about the kids. Right... They know how bad the funding situation is at IPS right now. Yet they still want to whine about more for them which takes away from what can be used for the students. Most claims being made about all the extra hours teachers spend at school are bogus. You can look at nearly any IPS parking lot 15 minutes after the kids are dismissed and it will be nearly empty. And the claims about taking work home don't hold water with me either. What do you expect if you leave at 3:00 every day? If they REALLY cared more about the kids than themselves they would be willing to extend the current contract or accept a smaller raise to keep the system running.
intervene

Indianapolis, IN

#26 Jan 27, 2009
if they were paid overtime they would stay after hours. it's a job, very important job, but still a job. if you want better teacher response than give them the contract they deserve.
intervene

Indianapolis, IN

#27 Jan 27, 2009
Greedy whiners wrote:
The fact that these teachers don't have a contract is not because they haven't been offered one. They just keep turning down everything offered to them. They get up on their soapboxes and claim its all about the kids. Right... They know how bad the funding situation is at IPS right now. Yet they still want to whine about more for them which takes away from what can be used for the students. Most claims being made about all the extra hours teachers spend at school are bogus. You can look at nearly any IPS parking lot 15 minutes after the kids are dismissed and it will be nearly empty. And the claims about taking work home don't hold water with me either. What do you expect if you leave at 3:00 every day? If they REALLY cared more about the kids than themselves they would be willing to extend the current contract or accept a smaller raise to keep the system running.
Obviously ignorant to the facts , please do the situation a favor and shut your computer off.
Jason

Greenfield, IN

#28 Jan 27, 2009
Johnny wrote:
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Yes, the kids will suffer, just like we have for years. Every time that we get a raise insurance eats more than it up, we have families of our own too, just lke you. Contrary to popular belief, teachers have lives outside of schools just like you. Of course for some it will not matter, but for others it will free up HOURS! If you dont understand what I am talking about, go and sub for a week in IPS. I bet that you would not make it, I hope that you do try it and make a liar out of me though.:) Have a great day!
Get real, I bet you could not make it at a real job. I appreciate what teachers do, but for you to say it's absolutely a difficult job is crazy. Who else gets 2 or 3 months vacation???? I could handle it!!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#29 Jan 27, 2009
intervene wrote:
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Unions are for people whom wish to have representation good pay and the ability to take there family to doctors without using there mortgage payment. If the majority of workers would join unions than these evil benefits your so against would be enjoyed by all those whom wish to live a better life rather than sponge off government as you probably do.
Typical union retort; anyone critical of their whining & ****'n, has to be "sponging off gvmnt".
News flash to you, union slacker: If, as you say:
"...the majority of workers should join unions....",
then the MAJORITY of these workers' jobs would have already been exported, as is the case with most of the past union shops.
Then, of course, we have the slacker union teacher, who actually thinks we sympathize with them. LMFAO!
"......rather than sponge off government as you probably do." LMFAO!
You could never attain what I have attained in life, with your union mentality that has shackled your potential. Hard work & perseverance have paid off for me. I didn't have time, like you union slackers seem to have, to whine & moan in my younger days. I was too busy MAKING my life better. Not complaining because someone didn't give me something for mediocrity.
Enjoy!
KAREN CROWDER

United States

#30 Jan 27, 2009
I SAID (DONT VOTE FOR MITCH). I USED TO VOLENTEER IN 2-IPS SCHOOLS AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOUR MAN MITCH IS SCREWING US ALL. HE'S OUTSOURCING SOME OF OUR JOBS TO SOME FOREIGN COUNTRIES. WHILE OUR SCHOOLS ARE IN TROUBLE. AND YES IM TELLING YOU AS A FORMER CLASSROOM HELPER:1.THE TEACHERS DO BUY ALOT OF THE SUPPLIES WITH THERE OWN MONEY!!(NOT THE SCHOOLS!!) THATS WHY I USED TO BUY SUPPLIES AND DONATE THEM TO MY KIDS CLASSE'S. NEXT TIME RE-ELECTION COMES UP-WE KNOW WHO NOT TO VOTE FOR!!WE AS PARENTS NEED TO HELP OUR KIDS AND TEACHERS!! AND TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE DANIELS IDEAS!!>> I AGREE THE TEACHERS DO FOOT ALOT OF THE EXPENSES FOR CLASSROOM SUPPLIES ON THERE OWN WITH THERE OWN MONEY. IM TELLING YOU ALL>>NEXT TIME DONT VOTE FOR MY MAN MITCH!!!
WILLIAM A ROGERS

United States

#31 Jan 27, 2009
Complaing teachers, slowdown, whats next.. a real education for our kids. Not in Indianapolis. Fire the whole lot of them. Find someone who is happy to work and make a difference.
Greedy Whiners

Indianapolis, IN

#32 Jan 27, 2009
intervene wrote:
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Obviously ignorant to the facts , please do the situation a favor and shut your computer off.
I work in the IPS system. I see the situation every day. Nice try.
Daniels ideas

Plainfield, IN

#33 Jan 27, 2009
I suggest you tell people in the legislature, those who understand and support education, not to vote for merit pay. Merit pay will NOT be a benefit to schools, particularly in the current situation. Those teachers which the administration wishes to get rid of because they cost the corporation most due to experience and education will be the ones who suddenly will get dumped on. Their classrooms will be dumping grounds for the kids no one wants, they will be shorted supplies, and have the highest expectation set on them and then be handicapped in some way by the administration. When all is said and done the administration will tell them they are sorry but they just did not meet their expectations and meet the goals set. Oh, how sad.

This by the way is how you get rid of older more experience workers, those who can teach the younger first and second year teachers the secrets of teaching. I know because I have seen it happen, I have seen older teachers pushed out by principals who were intimidated by the fact that they were unable to handle students in a school and refused to ask advice from the older more experience teacher. The older teacher did not want to be in charge, was willing to help and give advice only, but the principal was too intimidated and afraid if they asked that the other teachers would think they could not handle the kids.

Our man Mitch acts as such a principal, he is afraid that if he does not have all the answers we will see him as weak. Therefore he goes around as a bully, refusing to listen to advice or criticism and fix mistakes when he makes them. He allows situations to get way out of hand, even though people continue to warn him. By the time he finally gets back to the situation or agency it is too late, people have suffered greatly and Indiana has not served the people wisely.

Marion County is the largest school corporation in the state it also has the most problems because it has been neglected in the past 20 years. Buildings have not been upgraded; teachers have not been supported by the school administrations or government. Now that the crime rate is going up and the Superintendent is demanding that those who are left follow rules. Hard as it may seem, those rules just may save IPS. But, back to what you have to tell your legislatures. Tell them NOT to vote for merit pay. Tell them to vote to support education in Indiana. Tell them to vote to keep MitchÂ’s hands out of the classrooms. Tell them to vote to keep money going to school corporations used for secretaries and administrations and aides, or teachers will not be teaching your kids, they will be doing reports, writing grants, and spending hours daily on paperwork instead of time in the classroom with your kids.

Mitch thinks of one thing, money...how to cut, cut, cut not the welfare of our children, we need to force him to think of the welfare of our children.
teacher and union rep

Indianapolis, IN

#34 Jan 27, 2009
I never once said that I regreted my decision to become a teacher. I never once claimed that I expected to get rich when I decided to become a teacher. All that I (and the other teachers) want is to be able to afford to live. I am fortunate to live in a 2 income house. I have friends who went to college, earned a bachelor's degree, teach during the day and wait tables at night or cashier at night JUST to make ends meet. We are NOT greedy or whining. Again, I offer any of you who think you can do it better to try my job for one week, then we will talk. Oh and to the comment about having 3 months off...HA! I cram a year's worth of work into 9 months and then do trainings during the summer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I'm just setting the record straight. Don't judge a person until you walk two moons in their moccasins.
Greedy Whiners

Bourbonnais, IL

#35 Jan 27, 2009
teacher and union rep wrote:
I never once said that I regreted my decision to become a teacher. I never once claimed that I expected to get rich when I decided to become a teacher. All that I (and the other teachers) want is to be able to afford to live. I am fortunate to live in a 2 income house. I have friends who went to college, earned a bachelor's degree, teach during the day and wait tables at night or cashier at night JUST to make ends meet. We are NOT greedy or whining. Again, I offer any of you who think you can do it better to try my job for one week, then we will talk. Oh and to the comment about having 3 months off...HA! I cram a year's worth of work into 9 months and then do trainings during the summer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I'm just setting the record straight. Don't judge a person until you walk two moons in their moccasins.
Oh please.....Teaching has always been a low paying profession. And union teachers have been whining about it with the same lame excuses you keep parroting. Most people that want to make more money try to get a promotion or a new profession. Not you people, you just whine and use the union to fight your battles for you so you can increase your paychecks without increasing your own value at all.
Tom

United States

#36 Jan 27, 2009
LOL. That's hilarious. Did they "IMPLIMENT" it back when this reporter went to school?

Since: Aug 07

United States

#37 Jan 27, 2009
Stop. Everyone has situations in their job and employment they feel that are unfair. There are, I know, many teachers in IPS that look at their jobs as callings otherwise they would not be able to stand them. I can appreciate that.

The teachers in IPS, unfortunately, are part of the problem...but not a major part. IPS is a district with an incredible number of challenges...and until recently, couldn't get out of it's own way.

This is the deal. Teachers, do what you feel you need to. If somehow you think this will make things better,(although I can't see how--but I am not in your shoes) go for it.

It is my opinion that education is far too expensive and we pay teachers too little and they have too **** much paperwork making the whole process far too inefficient. Plus far too many administrators. Plus too many overhead expenses.

But I could be wrong.
teacher and union rep

Canton, MI

#38 Jan 27, 2009
Greedy Whiners wrote:
<quoted text>Oh please.....Teaching has always been a low paying profession. And union teachers have been whining about it with the same lame excuses you keep parroting. Most people that want to make more money try to get a promotion or a new profession. Not you people, you just whine and use the union to fight your battles for you so you can increase your paychecks without increasing your own value at all.
It amazes me how every schmuck that went to an elementary school thinks s/he is an expert on schools. How about you shut up and let the professionals do their jobs and get equal pay for it.

Why is it when business people ask for a raise it's called climbing the ladder, but when teachers ask for a well-deserved raise we are greedy whiners?
Teacher too

Indianapolis, IN

#39 Jan 27, 2009
Dr. White spends a huge amount of time claiming there is no money. Yet since 2008, how many admin people have gotten 10,000+ worth of pay raises? Transportation Director recieved a $10,000 pay increase to a salary of $100,000+. Dr. White's personal secretary will recieve an $18,000 pay increase. He has recieved numerous bonuses, and two other Directors have assumed his duties along with an 8% and 10% raise. No Money? No Money! Means No Money. Looks like there is plenty of money to go around for some people. BTW...Dr. White's personal driver makes more than a teacher. His personal secretary makes more than a 25 year teacher with a masters degree. But hey! Don't believe me. Search the public records of the IPS board. Look at the pay increases. Then we will talk. What do I know. I am just a teacher.
Greedy Whiners

Bourbonnais, IL

#40 Jan 27, 2009
teacher and union rep wrote:
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It amazes me how every schmuck that went to an elementary school thinks s/he is an expert on schools. How about you shut up and let the professionals do their jobs and get equal pay for it.
Why is it when business people ask for a raise it's called climbing the ladder, but when teachers ask for a well-deserved raise we are greedy whiners?
This "schmuck" is in your schools every day. No I am not a teacher. I do work with teachers. I see and speak with them daily. I may even have spoken with you at one time. I've never had one teacher tell me they would be willing to do more work in order to get a raise. And I never claimed to be any kind of expert on schools. I don't have to be. It is a simple fact that any raise given to teachers is just more cost to the system with nothing to show for it. Business people get raises because they prove their worth by generating more profit for their employer. If this is what you want to happen, then perhaps you should become one of those "business people" and earn it. And for your information, I also never said that teachers don't deserve a raise. Many of them probably do, but not for the reasons you claim. However, asking for it now when layoffs and major funding issues are eminent is what makes it greedy. Teaching is more of a calling than a means of upward mobility. Any teacher that doesn't see it that way is not someone I would want educating my children. The simple fact is if teachers weren't making enough to live on, they wouldn't still be teaching, whether it was a calling to them or not.
Teacher too

Indianapolis, IN

#41 Jan 27, 2009
Go to www.ips.k12.in.us and click on "Our Board" take a look at the minutes of the meetings. See if you can guess which side of his face Dr. White is talking out of when on one hand he writes a long letter asking for people to apply to become a "teaching fellow" because teachers are in short supply, but also announce to the public that there will be 450 layoffs of teachers this year because of budget shortfalls, but the payraises for upper administration keeps on going up. Is that responsible?
Teacher too

Indianapolis, IN

#42 Jan 27, 2009
Sundays paper www.indystar.com "Teachers Make the Difference"

“6 of one, 0110 of the other.”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#43 Jan 28, 2009
Saying teachers only work 9 months a year is like saying garbagemen only work one day a week.

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