IPS teachers to impliment work slowdown

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Many Indianapolis Public School teachers are staging a work slowdown for two weeks. Read more
Greedy Whiners

Cincinnati, OH

#189 Feb 10, 2009
It seems the teachers quickly grew tired of their useless attempts to justify their actions. I guess it could be pretty tiring to whine and moan while they are holding their hands out at the same time.

Since: Jun 07

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#190 Feb 10, 2009
Greedy Whiners wrote:
It seems the teachers quickly grew tired of their useless attempts to justify their actions. I guess it could be pretty tiring to whine and moan while they are holding their hands out at the same time.
They soon discovered that the captive students with mush-filled heads were easier to manipulate than us.
As parents, everyone needs to be aware of any signs that these whine-babies are "teaching' our children anything outside of the normal curriculum.
The stories my kids & their friends came home with were disgusting. Some of them even caught the teacher on their cell phone camera & mic screwing off and completely off subject about their own personal lives & political beliefs, during the times they were supposed to be teaching the subject matter.
But then try to get some school official or even the news media interested, even with the evidence. Right.

“6 of one, 0110 of the other.”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#191 Feb 10, 2009
Teachers, we know you feel you're overworked and underpaid, but you're too important to let your guard down and you're setting a bad precedent for your students. In all honesty, you really don't have it that bad. You're not separated from your families for 6-18 months at a time, nobody's shooting at you constantly (in most schools), you don't have 800 feet of water above your head. But you've still got a job to do, one for which you volunteered. How would you like it if your soldiers, sailors, marines, even police or fire departments decided they were going to slow down responding to your emergency because they felt like they were treated unfairly? Considering the dropout rate in this state (and the atrocious spelling in the forums), the education system is essentially in a state of emergency. Keep fighting, keep yelling, keep teaching. Don't let your students get the idea that they can get what they want by withholding critical resources. This behavior is perpetuating the "me"ism in this country.
JIM

Indianapolis, IN

#192 Feb 11, 2009
Sown Oats wrote:
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That's complete BS that you try to feed to those who aren't in the know.
You receive a YEARLY SALARY, with this extended time off as a BENEFIT. During these periods off you are free to, and most of you do, obtain additional P/T employment to supplement your YEARLY SALARY.
Unemployment my ****! Good try!
Wrong! A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. They did this starting in the 1980's because the law at the time was worded in a way that would let teachers fill for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. Before this time teachers were only paid during the school year, not the summer. Only administrators are year round employees, teachers are 9-10 month employees. So YES it is unemployment not a vacation.
JIM

Indianapolis, IN

#193 Feb 11, 2009
Greedy Whiners wrote:
<quoted text>You totally missed the point. I'm not going to argue with you about waste in the system because I have already repeatedly condemned it. The simple fact is at this point, eliminating all the waste in the system combined with eliminating the 25 million dollar deficit would still not be enough. You say "I think it is time to pay up for all parties involved". Just how do you propose to accomplish that? The only way it could possibly happen would be another property tax increase. We just voted for a property tax increase to pay for improvements to your facilities. Do you honestly think the community will vote for another one to give you a raise in this economy?
The pay for teacher no longer comes from you property tax. Your property taxes now only covers building and transportation. This was changed with the property tax bill pass last year, so no you would not have to raise you property taxes on penny to pay for an increase for teachers.

Since: Jun 07

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#194 Feb 11, 2009
JIM wrote:
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Wrong! A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. They did this starting in the 1980's because the law at the time was worded in a way that would let teachers fill for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. Before this time teachers were only paid during the school year, not the summer. Only administrators are year round employees, teachers are 9-10 month employees. So YES it is unemployment not a vacation.
Unbelievable! You would actually think we would swallow this crap?
You say, "A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer."
What is this, a joke? If you are paid YEAR ROUND, then you are being paid a yearly salary!
Lord help the kids these days with reasoning such as yours being shoved down their throats in the screwels.
This comment by you just reinforces all who think you & your ilk are full of crap.
Starlett Miller

Raymond, OH

#195 Feb 11, 2009
Sown Oats wrote:
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Unbelievable! You would actually think we would swallow this crap?
You say, "A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer."
What is this, a joke? If you are paid YEAR ROUND, then you are being paid a yearly salary!
Lord help the kids these days with reasoning such as yours being shoved down their throats in the screwels.
This comment by you just reinforces all who think you & your ilk are full of crap.
He is using Kelvin D's math.

I bet that's where Kelvin learned it
Starlett Miller

Raymond, OH

#196 Feb 11, 2009
JIM wrote:
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Wrong! A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. They did this starting in the 1980's because the law at the time was worded in a way that would let teachers fill for unemployment for being out of work in the summer. Before this time teachers were only paid during the school year, not the summer. Only administrators are year round employees, teachers are 9-10 month employees. So YES it is unemployment not a vacation.
Let's see...

You KNOW that EVERY year you will not work for two to three months and you can not "save up" for this time off?

Perhaps you should kick it down a notch.

Maybe take a personal finance class during your time off.
JIM

Indianapolis, IN

#198 Feb 11, 2009
Starlett Miller wrote:
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Let's see...
You KNOW that EVERY year you will not work for two to three months and you can not "save up" for this time off?
Perhaps you should kick it down a notch.
Maybe take a personal finance class during your time off.
I did not say that I did not plan for the summer, which I do. I was just pointing out that under the current law of the state of Indiana that a teacher is "unemployed" for 2-3 months not on vacation.
JIM

Indianapolis, IN

#199 Feb 11, 2009
Sown Oats wrote:
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Unbelievable! You would actually think we would swallow this crap?
You say, "A teacher is paid for working a SCHOOL YEAR not a calendar year. A school pays their teachers year round so that teacher can not file for unemployment for being out of work in the summer."
What is this, a joke? If you are paid YEAR ROUND, then you are being paid a yearly salary!
Lord help the kids these days with reasoning such as yours being shoved down their throats in the screwels.
This comment by you just reinforces all who think you & your ilk are full of crap.
I am making a point of law that covers educational employment in the state of Indiana. Under Indiana law a teacher is a 9-10 month employee of a school system unless they teach summer school, then they are under an extended contract for the summer months. Under the laws of this state a teacher is a seasonal employee that is not paid for the days they do not work in the summer. The school systems hold back part of a teachers pay during the time worked and pays this out during the summer months. If you do not get paid for the summer it is not a “vacation” but a period of unemployment.
Starlett Miller

Raymond, OH

#200 Feb 11, 2009
JIM wrote:
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I did not say that I did not plan for the summer, which I do. I was just pointing out that under the current law of the state of Indiana that a teacher is "unemployed" for 2-3 months not on vacation.
Yeah sure... Whatever...

My friend, the teacher, says he is on vacation.

He does go above and beyond wht I would during his "work year" but that is the career he chose so if he is good with it than so be it.

He does teach at a pretty cool place though.
Do not slow down

Columbus, IN

#201 Feb 11, 2009
Just go away. My two sons went through the Indiana schools and I know 3 teachers. The education industry is a joke. Your union is a Democrat pawn like you. Generalizing but not far off. All your union does is use the children "card" to get more money to waste. The it is "for the children" routine does NOT work anymore. No one says not to educate children however the waste of government funds is absurd. If I was education czar you work 9 hours a day plus every other weekend, no holiday pay, no "snow day" pay,no spring- fall- winter "break" pay, no smoking lounge (go outside with the kids), no more union, no more summers off (kids get two months), you do your re-schooling at this time but it is paid for, you must swat disruptive students and stop brain washing kids with liberal prate remarks.
At an average of $35000-$55000 depending on class size and location I would have enough applicants to replace you.
Problem solved. Now quit whinning or get a full time job.

Since: Jun 07

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#202 Feb 11, 2009
JIM wrote:
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I am making a point of law that covers educational employment in the state of Indiana. Under Indiana law a teacher is a 9-10 month employee of a school system unless they teach summer school, then they are under an extended contract for the summer months. Under the laws of this state a teacher is a seasonal employee that is not paid for the days they do not work in the summer. The school systems hold back part of a teachers pay during the time worked and pays this out during the summer months. If you do not get paid for the summer it is not a “vacation” but a period of unemployment.
I have to admit, persistence is no stranger to you.
However you word it to fit your convoluted definition; a year's pay is a year's pay, no matter HOW the distribution of it is managed & massaged by the school corporation, or you, who happened by the way, to agree on these terms when you signed on.
JIM

Indianapolis, IN

#203 Feb 13, 2009
Sown Oats wrote:
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I have to admit, persistence is no stranger to you.
However you word it to fit your convoluted definition; a year's pay is a year's pay, no matter HOW the distribution of it is managed & massaged by the school corporation, or you, who happened by the way, to agree on these terms when you signed on.
I have no problem with the system that schools use to pay teachers; I knew this going into education. But I do have a problem with the fact that if someone who is not a teacher is off without pay for 12 weeks in the summer they are unemployed but for a teacher it is a "vacation". Would it be OK for your employer to withhold 22% of your weekly pay so they could give you a “vacation with pay” in the summer and say you are paid “year round”? Would this not be a 22% cut in pay?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#204 Feb 16, 2009
JIM wrote:
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I have no problem with the system that schools use to pay teachers; I knew this going into education. But I do have a problem with the fact that if someone who is not a teacher is off without pay for 12 weeks in the summer they are unemployed but for a teacher it is a "vacation". Would it be OK for your employer to withhold 22% of your weekly pay so they could give you a “vacation with pay” in the summer and say you are paid “year round”? Would this not be a 22% cut in pay?
If I had CHOSEN this arrangement, I would not be on this forum complaining about it.
If I was disgruntled over my CHOICE, I would be in the market for another profession.
Again, no matter how you twist it, A YEAR'S PAY IS A YEAR'S PAY.
YOU are the one who agreed to this, and now we have to listen to the whining. Obviously it wasn't a problem when you accepted this position, but now it is, and you are looking for some sort of sympathy.
NOT.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#205 Feb 16, 2009
JIM wrote:
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I have no problem with the system that schools use to pay teachers; I knew this going into education. But I do have a problem with the fact that if someone who is not a teacher is off without pay for 12 weeks in the summer they are unemployed but for a teacher it is a "vacation". Would it be OK for your employer to withhold 22% of your weekly pay so they could give you a “vacation with pay” in the summer and say you are paid “year round”? Would this not be a 22% cut in pay?
Sorry, wasn't thinking. "Jim" can't answer because he's away from his school-supplied internet.
Today is one of the "holidays" that only teachers & other gvmnt workers, and VERY FEW businesses take.
Jim, can't complain about THAT, can you?
As a matter-of-fact, let's see how many teachers respond today, since they are away from their computers at school.
You know.....the computers that they are on while supposedly "toiling" over papers, etc.
Starlett Miller

Raymond, OH

#206 Feb 16, 2009
JIM wrote:
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I have no problem with the system that schools use to pay teachers; I knew this going into education. But I do have a problem with the fact that if someone who is not a teacher is off without pay for 12 weeks in the summer they are unemployed but for a teacher it is a "vacation". Would it be OK for your employer to withhold 22% of your weekly pay so they could give you a “vacation with pay” in the summer and say you are paid “year round”? Would this not be a 22% cut in pay?
That is just stupid.

"22% cut in pay"

Ha!

BUT....

I would take that in a heart beat!

I have MORE than ten weeks vacation AND ten weeks sick time "saved" up and I have to beg for time off.

I still only make "X" amount of dollars a year I really don't care how it is delivered.

Once a year or fifty-two times a year, makes no difference to me.

I would just put it on the pile.

Since: Apr 08

Pryor, OK

#207 Feb 16, 2009
I dont have a problem with teachers recieving a raise.....They barely get paid enough as it is.They have to deal with BadA** kids all day long.There is already a shortage of teachers and If the state continues to pay teachers they way they do there will be an even bigger shortage in the future .
Greedy Whiners

Indianapolis, IN

#208 Feb 17, 2009
Amerie wrote:
I dont have a problem with teachers recieving a raise.....They barely get paid enough as it is.They have to deal with BadA** kids all day long.There is already a shortage of teachers and If the state continues to pay teachers they way they do there will be an even bigger shortage in the future .
Shortage of teachers?! You are either uninformed or just plain lying. There are plenty of applications on file. Besides, if IPS was really "short" on teachers, how in the world could they be planning on laying off 400 of them? Honestly, I too would like to see teachers make more money. I'd like to see everybody making more money. But if you worked for an organization that had a 25 million dollar budget deficit and was planning on laying off 400 employees, do you honestly think that would be the time to expect a raise? Get real.
fifty three

Columbus, IN

#209 Feb 18, 2009
When did teachers get groundhog day off?

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