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“Kids are the future”

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#145 Feb 22, 2009
LEAP wrote:
There once was a man on his deathbed who, at the very end of his life, called his wife to his side and said to her,“Dear, before I leave this earth, there is something that I really feel I have to tell you. For a number of years now, I have been having an affair with the woman who lives across the street. I do not mean to hurt your feelings, but I think you had a right to hear it, and hear it from me.” The wife thought for a moment and then replied,“That’s okay; I know. That’s why I poisoned you.”
In so many ways, we have been poisoning ourselves by the policy we have chosen to deal with the critical problem of drug use and abuse. As I have always acknowledged, many of these drugs are certainly dangerous and harmful, but there are also separate and distinct harms that are directly caused by their prohibition. These additional harms might be tolerable if they actually stemmed the flow of drugs into our communities. But the opposite is true. Our drug laws have simply failed.
Our country’s attempts to combat drug use and abuse, and all of the crime and misery that accompany them, through the criminal justice system is not working. Drug policy reform is one of the most important issues facing this country and the so called “War on Drugs” is one of our country’s biggest failures.
I have reached these conclusions after spending nearly 20 years as a Police Officer in the State of California. I have seen firsthand that we are wasting unimaginable amounts of our tax dollars, increasing crime and despair, and severely and unnecessarily harming people’s lives, particularly our children’s, by our failed drug policy. In short, I have seen that our current drug policy is a failure, and I simply cannot keep quiet any longer.
We have been following essentially the same Drug Prohibition policy for many decades, and it has given us the worst of all worlds. Today there are more drugs available in our communities, and at a lower price, than ever before. We have greatly expanded the number of prisons in the United States, but all of them are overflowing. As a direct result of the enormous amount of money available from illicit drug sales, the corruption of public officials and private individuals in our society has increased substantially. We have a much higher incidence of diseases, such as hepatitis and AIDS, caused by the use of dirty needles, than most countries in the world. The “War on Drugs” has resulted in the loss of more civil liberties protections than has any other phenomenon in our history. Instead of being shielded, our children are being recruited into a lifestyle of drug selling and drug usage by the current system. And revolutionaries and insurgents abroad are using money procured from the illegal sale of drugs to undermine legitimate governments all over the world. We could not have achieved worse results if we had tried.
Drug Abuse is Bad…The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org
Here we have an Ex (thank god) cop promoting illegal drugs. I'm sure that somewhere out there there's a doctor who's promoting the smoking of cigarettes.
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#146 Feb 22, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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Here we have an Ex (thank god) cop promoting illegal drugs. I'm sure that somewhere out there there's a doctor who's promoting the smoking of cigarettes.
Yes. He's not only promoting illegal drugs, he is spamming the threads with the same long message. Thank goodness for mouse wheels!

“You have been lied to”

Since: Jul 08

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#147 Feb 22, 2009
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot
strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about
prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up
by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of
man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage
by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help
people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do
for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln

Drug Abuse is Bad...The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org

“You have been lied to”

Since: Jul 08

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#148 Feb 22, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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Here we have a hard-working cop promoting sensible drug policy reform.
Thanks for reposting my comments for more people to see.

We are in the early but unmistakable phase of an historic moment in which prohibition will be put on the defensive and revealed as unworkable, inexcusable and expendable.

Drug Abuse is Bad...The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org

“Kids are the future”

Since: Dec 08

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#149 Feb 22, 2009
LEAP wrote:
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot
strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about
prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up
by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of
man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage
by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help
people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do
for themselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Drug Abuse is Bad...The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org
The best thing we could do for the country is to arrest and incarcerate all the child poisoning drug dealers and all those cops who support them before we turn into North Mexico.

“Illegitimati non carborundum”

Since: Nov 08

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#150 Feb 22, 2009
argumentum wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. He's not only promoting illegal drugs, he is spamming the threads with the same long message. Thank goodness for mouse wheels!
The person your complaining to about this is the 2nd best spammer of this site. LEAP makes a excellent point. Instead of putting him down why don't you debate his post?
anon

Amity, OR

#151 Feb 22, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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The best thing we could do for the country is to arrest and incarcerate all the child poisoning drug dealers and all those cops who support them before we turn into North Mexico.
How about moving the National Guard from Iraq to the Mexican border? Our border fence has too many breaches. Time to fill in some holes and rat tunnels to stop the real drugs, drugs that kill Americans.

Since: Aug 08

Arcata, CA

#152 Feb 22, 2009
Former Ukiahan wrote:
<quoted text>The person your complaining to about this is the 2nd best spammer of this site. LEAP makes a excellent point. Instead of putting him down why don't you debate his post?
I'm sure because it's a whole lot easier to make a little comment than to debate with someone that actually has 2 decades of direct experience with a failed policy.

This drug war even in it's hay day, has done nothing in it's entire history but kept any regulations and control out of the picture, which in turn has made it easier for a high school kid to pick up a bag of pot than a 12 pack of beer.

At the same time, cigarettes have remained legal, and through honest education about the harms, use has been drastically reduced.

The only people the drug war has benefited are the drug dealers, and the people employed to fight the drug war. The only people that really still believe in the war on drugs seem to be people that make money from it, or people that want an easy scapegoat to explain why someone is bad, rather than put any effort into finding the real reason, and realizing that drug addiction is usually a side effect of other things.

The LEAP guy has made some very good points which I'm sure argumentum or watcher will even attempt to debate, because they know they can't.

Instead, just a quick snide comment and a quick exit is all to be expected I'm sure.
ARCATA RESIDENT

Seaside, CA

#153 Feb 22, 2009
too much wrote:
you really know how to compare apples and oranges... wow
Is that the best you can come up with ? You do not have an intelligent reply do you ?
Paul

Blacksburg, VA

#154 Feb 22, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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I'm sure that somewhere out there there's a doctor who's promoting the smoking of cigarettes.
No, only ritalin, morphine, vicodin, oxycontin, or things that the FDA deems having more medical value than cannabis, such as PCP, Cocaine, and Meth.
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#155 Feb 22, 2009
LEAP wrote:
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Thanks for reposting my comments for more people to see.
We are in the early but unmistakable phase of an historic moment in which prohibition will be put on the defensive and revealed as unworkable, inexcusable and expendable.
Drug Abuse is Bad...The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org
If you are refraining from breaking the law as you lobby for drug law reform, you are doing what I have been encouraging people who are unhappy with the current laws to do. Are you making a sufficient effort to encourage people to obey the laws until such time as they are changed?
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#156 Feb 22, 2009
phil_me wrote:
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I'm sure because it's a whole lot easier to make a little comment than to debate with someone that actually has 2 decades of direct experience with a failed policy.
This drug war even in it's hay day, has done nothing in it's entire history but kept any regulations and control out of the picture, which in turn has made it easier for a high school kid to pick up a bag of pot than a 12 pack of beer.
At the same time, cigarettes have remained legal, and through honest education about the harms, use has been drastically reduced.
The only people the drug war has benefited are the drug dealers, and the people employed to fight the drug war. The only people that really still believe in the war on drugs seem to be people that make money from it, or people that want an easy scapegoat to explain why someone is bad, rather than put any effort into finding the real reason, and realizing that drug addiction is usually a side effect of other things.
The LEAP guy has made some very good points which I'm sure argumentum or watcher will even attempt to debate, because they know they can't.
Instead, just a quick snide comment and a quick exit is all to be expected I'm sure.
Sure. You have all the answers. We are idiots. That makes you feel good, because that way YOU don't have to wrestle with the problems that illicit drug use causes in the real world that some of us have been living in one hell of a lot longer than two short decades.

“You have been lied to”

Since: Jul 08

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#157 Feb 22, 2009
Under the current prohibition approach, police are forced to endlessly chase and imprison dealers and users. When we take cops off this beat, we need not fear increased violence, crime or drug abuse, because we can apply the protective tools that regulate markets to improve public safety and health.

As we saw in the earlier prohibition of the 1920s and 1930s, much of our street violence stems not from drug use but from the illegal nature of the drug market. In any trade, competitors vie to control markets. Under drug prohibition, rival organizations resort to violence to decide who will triumph in the marketplace. Disputes surrounding quality, delivery, price and credit are not resolved in courts or by arbitration, but at the point of a gun. In legal businesses, valuable inventory can be protected from thieves with legitimate security firms, but in prohibition, only gangsters are hired to provide protection against robbery, embezzlement or fraud. In the illegal market, price and quality information is unreliable. There is no trademark protection, no dependable quality control.

But while today’s prohibition is a failure for much the same reasons as the last one, its consequences are even graver. Whereas alcohol prohibition allowed domestic gangsters like Al Capone to rake in rich profits, today’s illegal market helps fund the efforts of international cartels and terrorist networks like Al Qaeda and the Taliban. After prohibition is repealed, America will be rid of a major source of violence, crime and disorder that plagues every major city and most Indian reservations, counties and municipalities in the United States as well as communities worldwide.

The professionals of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP)know from long experience that when we arrest a rapist or robber the number of rapes and robberies in the community diminishes because “we got the guy.” But when we arrest a drug dealer at any level, we simply create a job opening that is quickly filled from the endless ranks of people willing to risk prison or death for the chance of obtaining huge profits.

After spending a trillion tax dollars and making 39 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, drugs are now generally cheaper, more potent and easier for our children to access than they were 40 years ago at the beginning of the “drug war.”

Drug Abuse is Bad...The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org

“Pot is a gift from God”

Since: May 08

Ukiah, CA

#158 Feb 22, 2009
Thanks for being here. I can use a 'white knight'.

I blogged it for the morning news, L.E.A.P.

http://blog.writch.com

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“Kids are the future”

Since: Dec 08

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#159 Feb 22, 2009
anon wrote:
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How about moving the National Guard from Iraq to the Mexican border? Our border fence has too many breaches. Time to fill in some holes and rat tunnels to stop the real drugs, drugs that kill Americans.
How about we just put all the drug dealers in a deep hole and give all the people they have hurt shovels to fill the hole, lunch and botteled water.
Richard Steeb

Walnut Creek, CA

#160 Feb 22, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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Here we have an Ex (thank god) cop promoting illegal drugs...
http://video.google.ca/videoplay...

"The rest of the story"
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#161 Feb 23, 2009
Willits Watcher wrote:
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How about we just put all the drug dealers in a deep hole and give all the people they have hurt shovels to fill the hole, lunch and botteled water.
Graveyards aside, you make a point that needs to be made. Drug dealers hurt people. Lots of people. And in big ways.

One poster says her grandson was given a long prison sentence for dealing meth, but it wasn't really his fault because someone gave him some meth at a low point in his life and he became addicted.

Well, isn't that exactly what he did all during his career as a meth drug dealer? Get other people addicted? Addicted to the same drug his grandma now says controls his life.
Paul

Blacksburg, VA

#162 Feb 23, 2009
argumentum wrote:
<quoted text>Graveyards aside, you make a point that needs to be made. Drug dealers hurt people. Lots of people. And in big ways.
One poster says her grandson was given a long prison sentence for dealing meth, but it wasn't really his fault because someone gave him some meth at a low point in his life and he became addicted.
Well, isn't that exactly what he did all during his career as a meth drug dealer? Get other people addicted? Addicted to the same drug his grandma now says controls his life.
And if people on this thread were condoning meth, then maybe your post would actually be relevant.
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#163 Feb 23, 2009
Paul wrote:
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And if people on this thread were condoning meth, then maybe your post would actually be relevant.
Thanks for caring.

Since: Aug 08

Arcata, CA

#164 Feb 23, 2009
argumentum wrote:
<quoted text>Sure. You have all the answers. We are idiots. That makes you feel good, because that way YOU don't have to wrestle with the problems that illicit drug use causes in the real world that some of us have been living in one hell of a lot longer than two short decades.
Actually I don't have any answers at all. That's why I read forums. I just have a open mind to honestly evaluate all sides of the argument, and you have never provided a honest, factual argument to debate any of the opposing points made.

On the other hand, you have done a very good job of changing the subject multiple times to avoid debating things though. That leads me to believe you are completely wrong. And the fact that you consciously do this, makes me think you know you're wrong but for some personal reason, which none of us know, feel you need to push your agenda on this matter to the point of sacrificing a honest debate to do so.

The sad thing is it takes a honest debate to get to the actual truths, if truth is any concern of yours at all in this subject, which I have a feeling it is not.

At least you're not just completely making things up like watcher is though :).

That's the difference between you and me on this topic, I don't claim to know anything, I just evaluate all the data available. You and watcher haven't provided any data to back up your side, just emotions.

You on the other hand are the one that obviously thinks they know everything about this subject, as you completely refuse to entertain the oppositions points, no matter how factual they may be.

So I believe on this topic you are referring to yourself in the above statement you made.

Now how about getting back to debating the points LEAP made, rather than continuing to put such effort into changing the subject away from his points in these threads?

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