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Consistent wrote: Create bad laws.
Create a dependent populace.
Create a bloated Government Jobs Force.
Create Police departments with ever more cops. Create a judiciary sucking the life out of freedom.
Create codes that are to expensive to build a home or business too.
Hire inspectors to assure code compliance.
Make "hotdishes" Illegal at church.
Maintain Fire Depatments that are full time, used very little, and never save a home, but are maintanance personnel stopping the spread of a fire.
Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs.
Build the finest structures money can buy for the people with Government Jobs to report to,and add onto the structure evry couple of years.
Criminalize normal human behavior.
Support and Tax establishments that sell legal drugs, then arrest the people driving away from the establishments for being drunk and driving.
Set up Speed traps to enhance local revenue.
Charge citizens for being imprisoned in County jails.
And on and on!!!!!
Oh....and if the Fascists cannot generate enough income to support the 1/3 of our neighbors eating at the Public trough.......Add a few more "FEES" to enhance the 48% of our wealth already captured by an Oppressive Police State!! Spoken as a true Libertarian! I am horrified to find myself agreeing with you, and I am supposed to be a "Leftist." It galls me when public entities spend our money freely, seeming to make little effort to economize and reduce costs. In this case, charging extra fees for the basic services that justify taxation in the first place is patently obscene!
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Herman
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Quote "Consistent" "Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs." Have you visited a government office lately? My government desk is over 45 years old, my credenza over 30, and some of our file cabinets date to the early 1960s. We lease a pre-owned copier, have a"low bid" phone system that hangs up on callers, are running 12 to 15 year old vehicles with over 170,000 miles, and recently replaced two computers because parts are no longer available from Dell. The only "new" furniture we have is used corporate donations. This is the real world of government service, along with taking thoughtless hits from clueless people.
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Larry R
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Consistent wrote: Create bad laws.
Create a dependent populace.
Create a bloated Government Jobs Force.
Create Police departments with ever more cops. Create a judiciary sucking the life out of freedom.
Create codes that are to expensive to build a home or business too.
Hire inspectors to assure code compliance.
Make "hotdishes" Illegal at church.
Maintain Fire Depatments that are full time, used very little, and never save a home, but are maintanance personnel stopping the spread of a fire.
Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs.
Build the finest structures money can buy for the people with Government Jobs to report to,and add onto the structure evry couple of years.
Criminalize normal human behavior.
Support and Tax establishments that sell legal drugs, then arrest the people driving away from the establishments for being drunk and driving.
Set up Speed traps to enhance local revenue.
Charge citizens for being imprisoned in County jails.
And on and on!!!!!
Oh....and if the Fascists cannot generate enough income to support the 1/3 of our neighbors eating at the Public trough.......Add a few more "FEES" to enhance the 48% of our wealth already captured by an Oppressive Police State!! How can anyone be so out of touch?
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gtVoyageur wrote: <quoted text>
How then are you going to solve these economic problems. It's easy to find fault but where are your suggested solutions??? Actually, it's not up to the public to solve all the problems, however, the public is responsible for electing the right people for the job. And it's apparent, we the tax payers have not been doing that. The best thing that can be done at this point is; NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT.
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Madman
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Herman wrote: Quote "Consistent" "Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs."
Have you visited a government office lately? My government desk is over 45 years old, my credenza over 30, and some of our file cabinets date to the early 1960s. We lease a pre-owned copier, have a"low bid" phone system that hangs up on callers, are running 12 to 15 year old vehicles with over 170,000 miles, and recently replaced two computers because parts are no longer available from Dell. The only "new" furniture we have is used corporate donations.
This is the real world of government service, along with taking thoughtless hits from clueless people. Sounds like my kind of Gov't office! If more were managed in this miserly fashion, perhaps there wouldn't be obscene proposals like Duluth's.
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Herman wrote: Quote "Consistent" "Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs."
Have you visited a government office lately? My government desk is over 45 years old, my credenza over 30, and some of our file cabinets date to the early 1960s. We lease a pre-owned copier, have a"low bid" phone system that hangs up on callers, are running 12 to 15 year old vehicles with over 170,000 miles, and recently replaced two computers because parts are no longer available from Dell. The only "new" furniture we have is used corporate donations.
This is the real world of government service, along with taking thoughtless hits from clueless people. No Herman, I have not seen your office. Excuse me if i dont start crying over the condition of your Offic furniture, while I go to my productive job in a factory that is 100 years old, miserable hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter. My plastic yard chair that the boss bought on sale at Kmart 8 years ago, needs another wrap of Duct tape....i gotta go now. I hope I get to pass the Brand New, perfectly maintained vehicles with the 6 people standing next to them, blocking traffic, while they are waiting for the boss to finish his coffee, before they begin filling a pothole in the road median.
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Larry R
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Herman wrote: Quote "Consistent" "Purchase every other year, the finest equipment money can buy for the people with Government Jobs."
Have you visited a government office lately? My government desk is over 45 years old, my credenza over 30, and some of our file cabinets date to the early 1960s. We lease a pre-owned copier, have a"low bid" phone system that hangs up on callers, are running 12 to 15 year old vehicles with over 170,000 miles, and recently replaced two computers because parts are no longer available from Dell. The only "new" furniture we have is used corporate donations.
This is the real world of government service, along with taking thoughtless hits from clueless people. This is common. Go into our schools and look at the equipment, especially athletic equipment, and lack of even basic supplies. Many Minnesota science labs do not meet basic standards. Then look at the massive staff cuts, particularly clerical, custodial, and teacher aides. Minnesota government is not wasteful, it's on a slippery downhill slope. You can only do more with less for so long before the system crashes. I would also doubt that Mr/Ms Consistent is asking for fewer government services.
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Actually wrote: <quoted text>
Actually, it's not up to the public to solve all the problems, however,
the public is responsible for electing the right people for the job. And
it's apparent, we the tax payers have not been doing that. The best
thing that can be done at this point is; NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT. I feel your pain! I don't recommend your "solution," because you apparently aren't willing to be informed enough to know which incumbents are voting for spendthrift budgets and which are being outvoted arguing against them. Imagine the scenario of a bright, hard-nosed newcomer, elected by promise of cutting waste and fraud; who is outvoted by those unwilling to challenge the status quo, and then you would vote hin/her out as if s/he was part of the problem! Be informed, know who champions waste and who fights it, and vote out those expensive "champions." THEN you'll have the gov't you want!
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Consistent wrote: <quoted text>
I go to my productive job in a factory that is 100 years old, miserable hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter.
My plastic yard chair that the boss bought on sale at Kmart 8 years ago, needs another wrap of Duct tape....i gotta go now.
I hope I get to pass the Brand New, perfectly maintained vehicles with the 6 people standing next to them, blocking traffic, while they are waiting for the boss to finish his coffee, before they begin filling a pothole in the road median. Reminds me of the famous line, 5.5, from "Macbeth." Fits perfectly.
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Consistent wrote: <quoted text>
No Herman, I have not seen your office. Excuse me if i dont start crying over the condition of your Offic furniture, while I go to my productive job in a factory that is 100 years old, miserable hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter.
My plastic yard chair that the boss bought on sale at Kmart 8 years ago, needs another wrap of Duct tape....i gotta go now.
I hope I get to pass the Brand New, perfectly maintained vehicles with the 6 people standing next to them, blocking traffic, while they are waiting for the boss to finish his coffee, before they begin filling a pothole in the road median. Gee, sorry. I didn't realize that anyone still made buggy whips.
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Madman wrote: <quoted text>
I feel your pain! I don't recommend your "solution," because you apparently aren't willing to be informed enough to know which incumbents are voting for spendthrift budgets and which are being outvoted arguing against them.
Imagine the scenario of a bright, hard-nosed newcomer, elected by promise of cutting waste and fraud; who is outvoted by those unwilling to challenge the status quo, and then you would vote hin/her out as if s/he was part of the problem!
Be informed, know who champions waste and who fights it, and vote out those expensive "champions." THEN you'll have the gov't you want! Excellent point.....but It is the Incumbents that maintain the culture of the organization....They ARE the problem. The Founders never envisioned a "Professional Political Class", or a sub-class of 1/3 of the General Population, dependent on the other 2/3 for their sustanance. This 1/3 keeps the "waste" goingin order to maintain a lifestyle to which they have become accustomed....they alway votein the Leftist. And until the past 8 years, the Republicans were always fiscally conservative and never got the majority of ythe vote from the Government Class.
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JAdams
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Those that use the services but don't pay income taxes or property taxes will get another free ride.
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Consistent wrote: <quoted text>
Excellent point.....but
It is the Incumbents that maintain the culture of the organization....They ARE the problem.
The Founders never envisioned a "Professional Political Class", or a sub-class of 1/3 of the General Population, dependent on the other 2/3 for their sustanance. This 1/3 keeps the "waste" goingin order to maintain a lifestyle to which they have become accustomed....they alway votein the Leftist. And until the past 8 years, the Republicans were always fiscally conservative and never got the majority of ythe vote from the Government Class. When Bill Clinton left office we weren't trillions of dollars in debt like we are now. I would say if anyone has been wasteful, it's the republicans and those democrats who have voted alongside them. And I don't get the whole idea that the people who vote "leftist" as you put it, do so because they are accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Do you mean wanting decent public schools, libraries for our kids to read, public parks, clean cities, etc.? I know, SHAME on us for wanting those things!
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Kacy wrote: <quoted text>
When Bill Clinton left office we weren't trillions of dollars in debt like we are now. I would say if anyone has been wasteful, it's the republicans and those democrats who have voted alongside them.
And I don't get the whole idea that the people who vote "leftist" as you put it, do so because they are accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Do you mean wanting decent public schools, libraries for our kids to read, public parks, clean cities, etc.? I know, SHAME on us for wanting those things! YES!!! here is your Kewpie Doll....you git it....Finally ........"And I don't get the whole idea that the people who vote "leftist" as you put it, do so because they are accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Do you mean wanting decent public schools, libraries for our kids to read, public parks, clean cities, etc.? I know, SHAME on us for wanting those things!"....... You WANT THINGS....and because You WANT THINGS...you think you should HAVE THINGS......Not THINGS that you pay for or have earned, but rather THINGS that you are willing as a member in good standing of the dependent class think you DESERVE to recieve at the expense of your neighbor! Does it feel good to face your demons? Now...on to recovery.....GOOD 1st STEP!!
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Consistent wrote: <quoted text>
YES!!! here is your Kewpie Doll....you git it....Finally
........"And I don't get the whole idea that the people who vote "leftist" as you put it, do so because they are accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Do you mean wanting decent public schools, libraries for our kids to read, public parks, clean cities, etc.? I know, SHAME on us for wanting those things!".......
You WANT THINGS....and because You WANT THINGS...you think you should HAVE THINGS......Not THINGS that you pay for or have earned, but rather THINGS that you are willing as a member in good standing of the dependent class think you DESERVE to recieve at the expense of your neighbor!
Does it feel good to face your demons?
Now...on to recovery.....GOOD 1st STEP!! Dependent class? I have worked hard all my life and paid my taxes. I also make financial and time/volunteer contributions to charities and organizations that I use (like public television) or believe in (like women's shelters). There are no demons here. I do my part; I both contribute to and enjoy what is offered by my community. That's how it's supposed to work.
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Fee's for one of the most core of government functions? Now I've seen it all. We tax and spend for everything under the sun and rather than cut back on the DISCRETIONARY spending, they want to charge a "fee" for Police and Fire. What next, a "fee" for each city council meeting. What the hey, why not. And to the flipping moron tax and spend sympathizer asking for solutions rather than criticism, THEY GET PAID TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT, I DON'T. That said, give me the budget line item, by line item and I gaurantee I can make it work. I've done with my budget my ENTIRE FLIPPING LIFE.
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Myself wrote: Fee's for one of the most core of government functions? Now I've seen it all.
We tax and spend for everything under the sun and rather than cut back on the DISCRETIONARY spending, they want to charge a "fee" for Police and Fire.
What next, a "fee" for each city council meeting. What the hey, why not.
And to the flipping moron tax and spend sympathizer asking for solutions rather than criticism, THEY GET PAID TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT, I DON'T. That said, give me the budget line item, by line item and I gaurantee I can make it work. I've done with my budget my ENTIRE FLIPPING LIFE. I know, make it fully fee funded. Take all the money in the city budget for these functions and refund it to the taxpayers. Then, let these departments fund themselves by "fees" from the people that use the services. That will be an eye opener trying to get the money from the people that use the most police services.
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Consistent wrote: <quoted text>
Excellent point.....but
It is the Incumbents that maintain the culture of the organization....They ARE the problem.
The Founders never envisioned a "Professional Political Class", or a sub-class of 1/3 of the General Population, dependent on the other 2/3 for their sustanance. This 1/3 keeps the "waste" goingin order to maintain a lifestyle to which they have become accustomed....they alway votein the Leftist. And until the past 8 years, the Republicans were always fiscally conservative and never got the majority of ythe vote from the Government Class. This is why I say that "but" is an acronym -- it stands for Behold the Underlying Truth. You agree that I made an excellent point, then you go on to totally agree with Actually, the poster who said "NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT." Think of how counterproductive it would be to your cause if YOU were elected to a council, began making a difference reducing or eliminating budget requests, pooh-poohing silly luxuries that some cry are "essential," saving your borough some serious tax money, and then YOU get voted out as a detested INCUMBENT who is too free with taxpayer money? Your replacement would probably be a free-spending Leftist, but the voters won't bother to tell the difference! What irony!
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Madman wrote: <quoted text>
This is why I say that "but" is an acronym -- it stands for Behold the Underlying Truth. You agree that I made an excellent point, then you go on to totally agree with Actually, the poster who said "NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT."
Think of how counterproductive it would be to your cause if YOU were elected to a council, began making a difference reducing or eliminating budget requests, pooh-poohing silly luxuries that some cry are "essential," saving your borough some serious tax money, and then YOU get voted out as a detested INCUMBENT who is too free with taxpayer money? Your replacement would probably be a free-spending Leftist, but the voters won't bother to tell the difference! What irony! If they were all voted out and their opposing candidates all voted in, it might have his intended effect though.
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the proud CONTRARIAN wrote: DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!
Why don't they get rid of that useless aquarium instead? I thought we already paid taxes to cover this
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