Minnesota courts seek $54 million to ...

Minnesota courts seek $54 million to avoid cuts

There are 36 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Sep 19, 2008, titled Minnesota courts seek $54 million to avoid cuts. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Minnesota court leaders say they need an extra $54 million or will have to cut hundreds of jobs and force delays in hearing cases.

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Maui2Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Sep 19, 2008
The Judicial System is "just another state program" and needs to reduce like every other state program needs to reduce...just like every family needs to reduce.
Sense

United States

#2 Sep 19, 2008
54 million divided by 261 jobs, hmmm,$206,897 per year per job? Those benefits must be off the scales. How long is the budget cycle? Why are they already operating 19 million in the red?
Another interesting story that lends itself to off the charts interpretation because there is little information.
Reggie

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Sep 19, 2008
"grave consequences" -- what a joke. Prosecute criminals and get rid of the frivolous law suits, that alone will save 100's of millions.
Lawsuit King

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Sep 19, 2008
Oh noes!

You cannot let the courts fire clerks! We need more clerks, not less; I've got claims to file, torts to allege, someone is going to Pay, Pay, Pay!

Slip\Fall? Bad food? Hot coffee? Call 1-800-JACKPOT for a FREE consultation! You owe nothing if we can't bleed someone else dry...Call 1-800-JACKPOT Now! Taxpayer employed clerks are standing by.
Sharon4Anderson

AOL

#6 Sep 19, 2008
Our Court System at www.mncourts.gov is a JOKE
LAWYERS in all branch's of government contrary to Separation of Powers,
Repeal Unpublished Opinions to estopp the glut of Lawyers_Bleeding the Taxpayers to Death,Disparagment, denial of dignity Please read the lastest and best Newspaper online http://www.Watchdog-news.com
We are not 2nd class citizens denied the Right to Run for the Elective Position of Judges, techinally these Lawyer-Judges Franchise is illegal.
http://sharon4judge.blogspot.com
OK Sure

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Sep 19, 2008
Maui2Minn wrote:
The Judicial System is "just another state program" and needs to reduce like every other state program needs to reduce...just like every family needs to reduce.
Actually, it isn't a "state program." It is a co-equal branch of government. The one with the most constitutionally mandated duties and the only one without the power to control its own budget.

The other two branches of government manage to use up over 98% of the state budget so I don't think a budget request for the third CO-EQUAL branch of government comprising a fraction of a percent is out of line.
JJohn

Hope, MN

#9 Sep 19, 2008
This brings to mind the comming November general elections. After you vote for President, Senator, or local politician, find out what the judges are about that are running in your district. These ballots are probably located on the back of your voting card. Like myself, I turn this card over and see a list of judges running and have no clue as to who to vote for.

Go to your city office and ask for a list of judges in your district that will be on that ballot come November. You can then research how these judges have ruled on cases in the past.

You can find if they are tough on crime or coddle criminals. An example....In the murder of Ramsey County probation officer Howard Porter, Hennepin County District Judge George F. McGunnigle, who presided in the trial told the convicted murderer Rashad Arthur Raleigh..."I hope you find some peace in prison and take advantage of the programs they have."

Get these people off the bench!!!
Hmmmmmm

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Sep 19, 2008
JJohn wrote:
This brings to mind the comming November general elections. After you vote for President, Senator, or local politician, find out what the judges are about that are running in your district. These ballots are probably located on the back of your voting card. Like myself, I turn this card over and see a list of judges running and have no clue as to who to vote for.
Go to your city office and ask for a list of judges in your district that will be on that ballot come November. You can then research how these judges have ruled on cases in the past.
You can find if they are tough on crime or coddle criminals. An example....In the murder of Ramsey County probation officer Howard Porter, Hennepin County District Judge George F. McGunnigle, who presided in the trial told the convicted murderer Rashad Arthur Raleigh..."I hope you find some peace in prison and take advantage of the programs they have."
Get these people off the bench!!!
Wait... the guy is still going to prison right? THAT statement is your example of "soft on crime?" I assume you were close to the victim and thus, you were upset by your friend or family member being murdered. However, I don't think a reasonable and objective person would conclude that your quoted statement means that over the judge's career he has been "soft on crime."
JJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Sep 19, 2008
Hmmmmmm wrote:
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Wait... the guy is still going to prison right? THAT statement is your example of "soft on crime?" I assume you were close to the victim and thus, you were upset by your friend or family member being murdered. However, I don't think a reasonable and objective person would conclude that your quoted statement means that over the judge's career he has been "soft on crime."
Hmmmmmmmm....this pile of crap is going to prison because of the jury's descision. The sentence is mandatory by state law. The comments by the judge was an abomination and an insult to the victim's family!
JKS

New Prague, MN

#12 Sep 19, 2008
Maybe we should start outsourcing our judicial system and correctional institutions to save money or make a profit.

That would save us a minimum cost of between $25,000 and $30,000 per prisoner per year.

The U.S. government prioritizes cost savings over national security by outsourcing the manufacturing of electronic passports to overseas companies, not only save money, but also make a profit.

They have to start thinking out of the box.
Otto

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#13 Sep 20, 2008
Why not take some money from the schools and give it to where it is needed. Seems to me with the drop out rate so high most of the crime is being committed by the drop outs.
Mr D

Maple Grove, MN

#14 Sep 20, 2008
Why not use the profits projected for hosting the RNC?
SPPS Teacher

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Sep 20, 2008
Otto wrote:
Why not take some money from the schools and give it to where it is needed. Seems to me with the drop out rate so high most of the crime is being committed by the drop outs.
Enrollment is down, but our Superintendent, Dr. Carstarphen continues to hire more senior administrators. Now she is out in the community asking business leaders for more money.

What Dr. Carstarphen needs to do is reduce her management team, not hire more senior administrators.

Over the summer numerous staff have left, the ship is really sinking fast and our students are the ones suffering while our senior administration have their new toys (PDAs, lap tops, cell phones) and their professional association dues paid.

The front line teachers are purchasing the supplies needed for their classrooms out of their own pocket, as the District is incapable of managing the tons of money they receive. If there are fewer students it can't be business as usual Dr. Carstarphen.
Quick and Swift Justice

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Sep 20, 2008
Sense wrote:
54 million divided by 261 jobs, hmmm,$206,897 per year per job? Those benefits must be off the scales. How long is the budget cycle? Why are they already operating 19 million in the red?
Another interesting story that lends itself to off the charts interpretation because there is little information.
While $206,000 per job is a lot of money you may want to check out your own company or that of law firms. I did some quick calculations, companies like General Mills, Securian, and Imation each spend three times that much per person. Pawlenty office spends $687,218 per person. Starting pay for lawyers in Minnesota, firms if 2-25 people is around $72,000 - which is more than most judges make.

I prefer to pay more for quick and swift justice, with good judges.
Joe Taxpayer

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Sep 20, 2008
Quick and Swift Justice wrote:
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Starting pay for lawyers in Minnesota, firms if 2-25 people is around $72,000 - which is more than most judges make.

I prefer to pay more for quick and swift justice, with good judges.
These judges are free to go into private practice. This is their choice to be a judge instead of being a private attorney. They can't have it both ways. Public service is a reward, an honor. If you want to be like Earl Grey or Jeff Anderson, then the door is always open to do that.
Quick and Swift Justice

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Sep 20, 2008
Joe Taxpayer wrote:
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These judges are free to go into private practice. This is their choice to be a judge instead of being a private attorney. They can't have it both ways. Public service is a reward, an honor. If you want to be like Earl Grey or Jeff Anderson, then the door is always open to do that.
Yes, it is their choice but WE get what WE pay for. Where is it written that public service is a reward? You have been brainwashed by the media, being in government is no reward. I was there for two years and got out.

How about you get what you pay for.
Joe Taxpayer

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Sep 20, 2008
Quick and Swift Justice wrote:
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Yes, it is their choice but WE get what WE pay for. Where is it written that public service is a reward? You have been brainwashed by the media, being in government is no reward. I was there for two years and got out.
How about you get what you pay for.
Thank you for your service!

Serving the public is what our Founding Fathers did. Service to our community is something that is good.

Public service is a choice, not a requirement. People going into public service are to be commended, but not to be made rich.
Sense

United States

#20 Sep 20, 2008
Quick and Swift Justice wrote:
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While $206,000 per job is a lot of money you may want to check out your own company or that of law firms. I did some quick calculations, companies like General Mills, Securian, and Imation each spend three times that much per person. Pawlenty office spends $687,218 per person. Starting pay for lawyers in Minnesota, firms if 2-25 people is around $72,000 - which is more than most judges make.
I prefer to pay more for quick and swift justice, with good judges.
Well, send in your check then, I'm sure they are taking tax free donations. Lawyers in the business of employing more lawyers, it's kind of like saying we need more homeless/street people.
Sense

United States

#21 Sep 20, 2008
So a beginning lawyer makes $72,000 per year, yet Pawlenty is paying $687,218 per person? With those calculations, EVERY new lawyer would be giving themselves over a $600,000 raise to work for the state of Minnesota. Are we already into lawyer speak? Please approach the bench......
Notta Judge Fan

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Sep 20, 2008
These judges have very cushy jobs. 13 holidays, six weeks paid vacation, fabulous state guaranteed pension, lots of "seminars and conferences," and out the door like a shot at 4:30 on the days they do work. They don't need more money, they just need to learn to work like the rest of us.

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