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No evidence to support idea that turning off streetlights will ...

There are 17 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Mar 7, 2009, titled No evidence to support idea that turning off streetlights will .... In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

In the newspaper's recent report on Fitchburg's plan to turn off streetlights, one vitally important detail was missing: facts.

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Regina Fortin

AOL

#1 Mar 7, 2009
Yeah, someone with an intelligent, objective point of view.
Facts

Fitchburg, MA

#2 Mar 7, 2009
Amen! When does the S&E ever get its facts straight? Maybe we should form a group, Citizens Against the Sentinel & Enterprise (CASE) to stop them from publishing unfactual information to it's readers!

Many of the streetlights in the city have not been working since the ice storm. Has anyone noticed? No. I'm with you on this one, Elizabeth.
Bills Cat

AOL

#3 Mar 8, 2009
Agreed, all this wailing and weeping about street lights seems like much ado about nothing. Fitchburg survived a couple World Wars, the Depression, the closing of all our major mills and factories and everything in between. The city will survive shutting off some street lights, too, despite what seems to be some vivid imaginations in the background.

The reality is that very few people walk anywhere anymore -- the hop from front door to car seat doesn't qualify as a 'walk'-- and only the car-less need concern themselves with darker side streets.

Sure, it's easy to imagine all kinds of horrors when the street lights get turned off, but it ends there: vivid imagination. The sky isn't falling and life in the Burg isn't going to come to an end. Believe it or not, there are plenty of small towns where there aren't and have never been street lights and they didn't come to a bad end.

If the city manages to save a few vital services -- firemen, police, trash pcik-up -- by cutting off some street lights there should be no room for arguement. Are city services more important than lights around the Upper Common? You bet.
debee

Lowell, MA

#4 Mar 8, 2009
Regarding the lack of street lights.
I lived for a while in Arizona where lighting in Tucson is considered, "light pollution," due to a hugh observatory they have outside the city limits.
Almost every week a pedestrian is hit and killed or almost killed due to poor lighting. Of course, the pedestrian is considered at fault, even a disabled person crossing in a cross walk in an intersection riding a scooter type device!
Driving in Tucson is like driving in a blackout. Yes, the main areas and malls are well light but unless apartment complexes and homeowners put on their lights, it is very, very difficult to see. I quickly discovered as a newcomer if you didn't find some place during the day, it was almost impossible to find at night due to the lighting conditions.
Even if you set aside the fears of crime, the fact remains we have long, dark winters, many potholed streets and those who do walk often wear dark colored clothing.
I forsee lawsuits in this city for wrongful deaths if this 50% lights out initiative passes. Is it really worth even one life?
scavenger

Princeton, MA

#5 Mar 8, 2009
debee wrote:
Regarding the lack of street lights.
I lived for a while in Arizona where lighting in Tucson is considered, "light pollution," due to a hugh observatory they have outside the city limits.
Almost every week a pedestrian is hit and killed or almost killed due to poor lighting. Of course, the pedestrian is considered at fault, even a disabled person crossing in a cross walk in an intersection riding a scooter type device!
Driving in Tucson is like driving in a blackout. Yes, the main areas and malls are well light but unless apartment complexes and homeowners put on their lights, it is very, very difficult to see. I quickly discovered as a newcomer if you didn't find some place during the day, it was almost impossible to find at night due to the lighting conditions.
Even if you set aside the fears of crime, the fact remains we have long, dark winters, many potholed streets and those who do walk often wear dark colored clothing.
I forsee lawsuits in this city for wrongful deaths if this 50% lights out initiative passes. Is it really worth even one life?
Well then, why don't you be a freakin' hero and cough up enough to keep the **** lights on. What part of "THE CITY IS BROKE" don't you clowns get?
debee

Lowell, MA

#6 Mar 9, 2009
When the city get sued by the family of the person who gets killed as a result of poor lighting conditions, then they'll have to find the funds won't they?
Tired

Fitchburg, MA

#7 Mar 9, 2009
Bravo Elizabeth. Everyone wants to complain and bash ideas that will help save jobs. I would rather have cops on the beat versus a few extra lights. Instead of complaining all of the time, people should start coming up with other ideas if they don't like the ones on the table. I think this one is pretty creative. Of course, others will disagree which is fine. But try to be constructive for once!
Lights Out

Harvard, MA

#8 Mar 9, 2009
There's a lesson in prevention here and executive decision making.

Secret: mayors have been quietly turning off street lights for decades. They just haven't made a big deal out of it. A few here, a few there, and the light budget stays on track.

Guess that's one of the little tricks of the trade Mylott didn't pass along to her.

So the previous budget she went by was already underfunded, but not knowing that, she cut it even more with the plan to turn off a few here and there to balance it out. But then she didn't have the courage to implement the plan.

Or is it that she knew if she created a crisis she might get support for putting in her trash tax.

Didn't work. We'd rather be in the dark. And looking for another mayor.

If this Unitil double cross doesn't do her out of a job it will be a real miracle. People don't like games.
TLA

Jackson, MS

#9 Mar 10, 2009
The streetlight in front of my home on Gloria Avenue has been out since 12/11. Last night 40 cars on my street and surrounding streets were broken into. I have lived in this neighborhood for 12 years and never experienced this before. Maybe it's time to get the broken lights turned back on... and not think about shutting any more off. This city is not the safest to start... why ask for trouble?
Please

Leominster, MA

#10 Mar 10, 2009
We should first turn the lights out on city hall by cutting the number of days that it is open. Cut all of the elected city officials' pay. The people charged with managing this city have failed miserably over the last decade. They should feel the pain before anyone else. There needs to be some accountability.
come on

Nonantum, MA

#11 Mar 10, 2009
Why do so many people think when we talk about "safety concerns" with the lights being off that we're automatically talking about being mugged,****, stabbed, etc.?

I'm more worried about people getting hit by cars or even falling into an enormous pothole.

There are other ways to save money. Actually evaluating what city workers do is where it should start. A few years ago while walking my dog in the woods I came across a City of Fitchburg truck with two 'workers' taking naps in it at 3 in the afternoon.

We are paying for the truck, the maintenance on it (driving through the woods to find a suitable hiding spot can't be good for it), the gas and for workers to take occasional naps.
JAM

Leominster, MA

#12 Mar 10, 2009
I think someone should compare what the Fitchburg City Hall and dept.heads make as to what Leominster's Dept.heads make etc. That's where alot of the money is going. That's where the cuts need to be made. Someone please print those figures.
WHAT ABOUT US

Windham, NH

#13 Mar 11, 2009
QUOTED FROM STORY "Since there is no statistically significant evidence that street lighting affects the level of crime, I for one am fine with the city saving money by shutting off the lights. Others, I'm sure, will disagree."

Do you really need a chart or graph or some form of written information to see what is going on in your own town? Open your eyes... Look around you... Forget about waiting for someone to spell it out for you.
William

North Andover, MA

#14 Mar 14, 2009
Bravo, Ms Gordon. A call for FACTS related to any and all of the Councils "opinions" is long over due.
That, and a much more critical look at those "lifers" who have been appointed to "city careers" without much oversight or opportunity to recall them from jobs done poorly. "Trying hard" is no longer a reason to keep on poor performers on the city's payolls any longer; i.e, City Hall employees in Planning, Health, Comm. Devlp. HR etc... Let's get more competent more highly educated and some younger workers employeed by the City, NOW.
BeenThere

AOL

#15 Mar 15, 2009
No evidence- ha!!!! I guess Fitchburg will be able to submit "evidence" after this starts. So glad I moved from there.
FUBAR

United States

#16 Mar 18, 2009
TLA wrote:
The streetlight in front of my home on Gloria Avenue has been out since 12/11. Last night 40 cars on my street and surrounding streets were broken into. I have lived in this neighborhood for 12 years and never experienced this before. Maybe it's time to get the broken lights turned back on... and not think about shutting any more off. This city is not the safest to start... why ask for trouble?
Fitchburg can't find a body with a dog and officers "Coming the area" what makes Fitchburg think their cops can "fight" crime without streetlights?
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Berlin, MA

#17 Mar 20, 2009
crime in fitchburg will still continue. you could light up the city like a fenway park night game and it wouldn't make a difference

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