Police: Slain man was victim of battery

Police: Slain man was victim of battery

There are 80 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Sep 14, 2009, titled Police: Slain man was victim of battery. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

A 44-year-old man who died after he was found lying on a median downtown during the Fiesta celebrations Friday was not "beaten," police said Monday.

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Tish Roybal

Santa Fe, NM

#53 Sep 15, 2009
Yeah really!
Frank wrote:
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Why were all of these people who were standing there or driving by when this man getting beaten up, not doing anything to stop it or come to his assistance? Evidently, not one of these bystanders bothered to call the police or come to this guy's aid. Something is very wrong here. Have we become New York City?

Memphis, TN

#54 Sep 15, 2009
Perhaps it would help to have all willing witnesses make a statement right here, right now to get it on the real public record.
keep on

Santa Fe, NM

#55 Sep 15, 2009
TRR wrote:
I did go to the New Mexican and my information about the Eldorado was reported with attribution the next day. Meanwhile the detective has never called me back nor my friend, who also called. I wonder how many Eldorado employees are not being called back with info different than the GM. If you have info, forget the police, email the two reporters on this story.
So don't stop there!!!! Keep calling, like someone else said...state police, the mayor, city council, Gilbert's family, the local news channels, if you have information that might lead to catching Gilbert's killer than you need to make sure you are heard. DO NOT let any one bully or discourage you, this is a man's LIFE we are talking about!!!!!!!!! You shouldn't stop until you find someone that will hear you out. If this murder goes unsolved, and you just sat by, I don't know how you could live with yourself. Keep pursuing it!!!!
Not so

Santa Fe, NM

#56 Sep 15, 2009
Tish. I was not drinking. Why does everyone always blame Fiestas when something goes wrong? It is sad that even our locals don't understand why we have this celebration. Go downtown on any given weekend and you will find many people drinking. This family has been involved w/ Fiestas for many years and I don't believe they blame the fiesta celebration for this act of violence. Our prayers are w/ you Georgia, Kathleen, Ferbie, Irene, Mariano and the rest of the family.

“Talk is Cheap”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#57 Sep 15, 2009
Thank you wrote:
"Ronnie wrote:
if you had an issue w/ someone being a mean drunk then it would be logical to think bad behavior when drinking is alcoholism. Alcoholism is a disease."
Thank you Ronnie for bringing this up. I was one of Gilbert's clients. I loved him and I knew he struggled with alcohol. He indicated to me that he wanted to stop drinking. I miss him deeply and am so incredibly sad that he is gone. I never personally saw him drunk, but heard he could be difficult and down right mean, especially when he was blacking-out. The book of Alcoholics Anonymous driscibes a certain kind of drinker as being a "real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", someone who does absurd, incredible, tragic things while drinking. Yet, when sober, may be one of the "finest fellows in the world". When he was sober and running his business, he was one of the happiest and friendliest guys in town. We all loved him so much.
I wasn't there Friday night, but I did hear that Gilbert had been drinking, got in a verbal fight with someone, got punched and his untimely death was a result of a head injury that he received from hitting the pavement. Perhaps the other person felt hate toward gays, I don't know. But what if this is just a sad, sad case of someone dying of the disease of alcoholism?
Disease of not ETOH, but the ones who one day realizes he/she no longer has control. They lose control and lose. This death could be ruled a "sub-dural" hematoma due to blunt force to the body....
I dont understand

Espanola, NM

#58 Sep 15, 2009
If there were so many witnessed, why didn't one of those persons go to this mans aide. If they saw him fall, why did they not got to his aide, call 911 or do something about it. If I would ever witness such violence, or a hurt person, I WILL BE THERE TO TRY & HELP. Did anyone go to Mr. Roybal when they saw him fall? I don't understand how such witnesses didn't make any effort to help. All you had to do is call 911. In today's world, very few DO NOT have cell phones.

Powhatan Point, OH

#59 Sep 15, 2009
SF Lawyer wrote:
"Battery" - what a hoot! A "battery" is an "offensive touching." Yeah - I would say that getting your head bashed in is an "offensive touching" alright! Apparently, the police are helping the perpetrator set up his "defense" by calling this a "battery." Here's the way it will go: "Gee Judge, all I did was punch Mr. Roybal in the nose. I didn't mean to knock him down and have his head crack open when it hit the pavement. I sure didn't mean to kill him." The police already know who did this!
agreeing with you and I said pretty much the same thing. The SFPD knows who did this
Outsider Looking In

Mitchell, SD

#60 Sep 15, 2009
Field Report wrote:
Wow. You all people should be writers for TV shows. With just a little bit of information you are concocting a whole story. I used to have to do that for creative writing class in high school.
But just looking at the facts given it appears that Mr. Roybal got in an altercation and was struck once or twice, his fatal injury could have come by hitting his head when he fell ... thus the not beaten story. Perhaps the police are not releasing info because it would hamper the investegation, perhaps they know who did it already and want to apprehend the suspect before releasing more info. I don't know, I wasn't there but I am fairly certain that most of the comments on this thread are nothing more than next weeks TV fantasy. My condolences to friends and family.
Amen brother!!

Santa Fe, NM

#61 Sep 15, 2009
NM State Police need to step in...battery, yeah right. It sounds like to me that the Santa Fe Police Department have ruled it 'battery' to protect whomever it is that's responsible for this. Battery is considered a misdemeanor...resulting in death, not sure. But at this point they are not even calling Aggravated Battery...it's homicide, intentional or not.

Carmichael, CA

#62 Sep 15, 2009
the police are checking out the girls at the fiestas , taking numbers and the h##l with everything else, during the sunday parade I saw at 5 people carry their 12 packs in clear view of the police, dah, it was for drinking in public, in front of kids, mom, dad, everyone within eye sight. In santa fe, Big Brother is not watching.
Robert Kosslyn

United States

#64 Sep 15, 2009
I think that all of the witnesses need to gather in front of the Police Department on Friday at noon with signs stating that the police apparently know who this is, are protecting a prominent citizen, and will minimize this crime. Stand up for your constitutional rights and force this issue as Gilbert deserves justice! Is anybody out there with connections to AP or UPI, as this should go national. I lived in Santa Fe for over 10 years and know it is not the Land of Enchantment that it likes to portray itself as. It has all of the problems with crime that other major cities have. My sincere condolences to all of his friends and family members. He was truly a great person.
SF Artist

Santa Fe, NM

#66 Sep 15, 2009
Seen this?
Fighter sought in hairdresser's death
Updated: Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:53 PM MDT
Published : Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 10:00 PM MDT

Reporter: Maria Medina
Reporter: Dave Bohman
Web Producer: Bill Diven
SANTA FE, NM (KRQE)- Santa Fe police late Monday released a description of a man they're looking for in the death of a popular salon owner involved in a fight on a downtown street Friday night.

"We're looking for somebody approximately 6 feet, 6-feet-2, described as skinny," said Santa Fe Police Lt. Tom Wiggins.

Several witnesses told police they saw a man hit 44-year-old Gilbert Roybal once in the head then take off. They described the man as:

late teens or early 20s
short hair
dark complexion
wearing blue jeans and a white button-down, long sleeve shirt with a blue and black design on the front.
The Santa Fe businessman was found unconscious near his business on Sandoval and Water Streets Friday night and died the next morning. He owned the Ancient Spirit Salon on West San Francisco Street near where he was found.
ciitzen Mel

Santa Fe, NM

#67 Sep 15, 2009
I don't know what Fiestas is for! This time always seems to bring out the worst in the general population of Santa Fe. it seems like an excuse to drink and party to excess.
Isn't Fiesta commemorating the re-conquest of a people whom we live side by side with?
I am never surprised when something hideous happens during this time.
From my experience with the El Dorado, I believe it was a hate crime.
My deepest condolences to Mr. Roybal's family and friends.
Marcy O

Santa Fe, NM

#68 Sep 15, 2009
ciitzen Mel wrote:
I don't know what Fiestas is for! This time always seems to bring out the worst in the general population of Santa Fe. it seems like an excuse to drink and party to excess.
Isn't Fiesta commemorating the re-conquest of a people whom we live side by side with?
I am never surprised when something hideous happens during this time.
From my experience with the El Dorado, I believe it was a hate crime.
My deepest condolences to Mr. Roybal's family and friends.
It is just an excuse to party. If you want to see what Fiesta's is really about, attend the novena masses and procession in honor of La Conquistadora. That's the trued essence of Fiesta's.
Bill C

Los Alamos, NM

#69 Sep 15, 2009
Since when does the number of times one is struck determined whether he was "beaten" or not? This is a stupid interpretation and one that should not be taken seriously. Really. The adage that "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away" also applies here.
yet again


#71 Sep 15, 2009
Tish Roybal wrote:
How is battery leading to death any different than being beaten to death?? That is a play on words. If you are struck in the head with a blunt object, you have been beaten to death. Find the low life that is responsible for this and beat him to death!
Beaten is to be struck repeatedly, battery can be a little as a shove with intent to harm. Beaten also intimates that the beating was the cause of death. Battery doesn't necessarily lead to death by itself. Everyone who thinks they know the difference between those two words ought to look them up online in a legal dictionary and get it straight.
Denise Kusel - Santa Fe

Santa Fe, NM

#73 Sep 15, 2009
Goodbye, Gilbert. May you rest in peace. My heartfelt condolences to your family whom you always talked about with love.


#74 Sep 15, 2009
concerned reader wrote:
How is one not "beaten," just struck as to sustain a head injury that caused death? Isn't that how people are beaten to death? They're hit, get injured and the injuries kill them? Why do the cops sound like lawyers? This is very suspicious.
You've got it. Example: person #1 pushes person #2, equals a battery. Person #2 falls to ground and hits head on hard surface, thus causing death, equals battery causing death.

Walnut Creek, CA

#79 Sep 15, 2009
I'm a long time SF(Sanfrancisco)resident
and looking to relocate to Santa fe for a retirement, but I am astonished at the lack
of public response to this incident.
A diverse city such as yours should be the mecca
Spanish, Mexican, White and Native American
all should be ASHAMED.
GET OUT in the street and let your voices be heard---Not another Matthew Shepard !!
Angry in SF
Do not

Albuquerque, NM

#81 Sep 15, 2009
OUTRAGE wrote:
judge anything about Santa Fe by what you read here.

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